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[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Because Gaider said religion in Thedas is based on the religion in Europe (middle age) to explain the lack of atheists in the game, so if Gaider wants to be honest with his writing and logic you shouldn't be able to have a homosexual romance if you believe in the Maker and you re a member of the Chantry, homosexuality was and is still banned by every religion nowdays.

 

Just look at Sebastian, you can't romance him if you re a guy because he's a real chantrist.

 

Alternately, instead of making things up, you can look at one of the many sources of information on sexuality in thedas.

 

"The Chantry does not seem to have an official view on the subject [of homosexuality]."

[Ryzaki]

(You know, I wish there was a way to click on a username and block them right there instead of having to and copy-paste the name in a different window. Unless I've been doing it wrong?)

 

I'm curious about how romances might be gated. Do you think that, akin to how Anders would terminate the relationship if you allow Torpor to possess Feynriel, the LI's will have events that cause they to leave you? I hope so.

 

I'm not sure why not. There were similar instances like that in DAO were there not? Anders and Loghain, Leliana and the Ashes (though...that was more her throwing herself on your blade) and I'm pretty sure telling Morrigan you didn't kill Flemeth got you stuck in an infinite loop (though that should've ended the romance. I can't remember clearly if it did or not).

 

Well, originally in Mass Effect 1 both Kaidan and Ashley were going to be bisexual, but it was cut in the last minute. The dialogue is still on the discs even. 

 

Sadly I don't think that's true. I do believe it was intended for Kaidan to be bi but the dialogue isn't the reason why. They had Meer and Hale record pretty much everything. It's why there's files with Meer calling himself a woman.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, no, but let's not get into that.

 

Sadly I don't think that's true. I do believe it was intended for Kaidan to be bi but the dialogue isn't the reason why. They had Meer and Hale record pretty much everything. It's why there's files with Meer calling himself a woman.

 

You're right. They recorded the lines just in case they decided to go that route. Sorry about that. 

[SurelyForth]

I don't think getting involved with someone and spending your entire relationship enabling their addictions or mental illnesses is healthy.

 

Here's the thing though- not "enabling" Anders' mental illness means convincing him that his is a lost cause, and that he made a horrible mistake, and that he shares his body with a monster. As that monster can take over their shared body and commit acts like blowing up a Chantry, we get into the realm of straight up body horror and the erasure of personal agency. After that, Anders has so little will of his own to do anything save die, that he's willing to join Hawke in killing the mages in the Gallows, despite the fact that they are innocent and are, in fact being killed because of what his body did. It is just layers and layers of f up and subversive, but it can be topped with a kiss and called "better" because he's technically innocent of terrorism.

[Zyree]

I was referring to the relationships with "agree to disagree", not you.

 

To clarify: In the rivalmance, we're not given the option of 'agree to disagree' with the LI. It primarily consists of trying to force them to change their minds to your way of thinking.

 

Okay, lets end this here because this will go nowhere. Thanks for the discussion. I think we can agree that Anders' romances in general were not handled particularly well and we can hope for better in DA:I 

[Ianamus]

 

Well to tell the truth I don't care, I think it's just really stupid to have every character being homosexual, Bioware should calm down with this it's getting annoying, same thing in Mass Effect 3 with Kaidan who's hetero in ME1 and in ME3 ******, wtf ?

 

As far as I can remember the only homosexual characters to appear in any Dragon Age game are Wade and Herren. 

 

What leap of logic takes you from two minor NPC's to "everyone"?

 

Mass Effect isn't any different. There's Steve, Samantha... a few minor female NPC's in relationship with Asari... and that Turian guy you watch through the camera's in the Shadow Broker DLC? That's about 5-6 at most across all three games.

[Phate Phoenix]

I'm not sure why not. There were similar instances like that in DAO were there not? Anders and Loghain, Leliana and the Ashes (though...that was more her throwing herself on your blade) and I'm pretty sure telling Morrigan you didn't kill Flemeth got you stuck in an infinite loop (though that should've ended the romance. I can't remember clearly if it did or not).

 

Hmm, that's true, I somehow forgot about DAO's romance-ends.  It's just, only Anders would dump you in DA2, even though it seems like there should be spots for the others to dump you as well. (Enslaving Orana should cause Fenris to dump you, for example.) I'd like to see more of that in DAI.

[Darth Krytie]

Okay, lets end this here because this will go nowhere. Thanks for the discussion. I think we can agree that Anders' romances in general were not handled particularly well and we can hope for better in DA:I 

Sent you a PM. (I edited it for an essential typo, in case you read in your emails.)

[Seishoujyo]

Dude homosexuality is pretty much never commented on in the games as something that anyone opposes, cares about, or even notices. You can gay it up with your companions wherever you like and no one will bat an eyelid. Wynne will stand there and watch you and sigh about "young love" and that's about it.

 

I loved that they opened up Kaidan as a romance option for men and women in ME3. It made a lot of sense for my male Shepard playthrough, with the way I imagined and played my character.

 

Why are you annoyed by it, anyway? Giving people more options is always a good thing.

 

I m annoyed because in Thedas the only homosexual in this world are in your party. Why did you never see a homosexual NPC ? Where are they ? Are they hiding ?

 

And most of all I don't want to see every damn character to be bi, especially Cassandry who's serious and a straight woman she shouldn't become bi just to please some weird fanboys or fangirls. It's ok if some are bi (I m not against it) just like Zevran for exemple he's bi and it suits very well the character, but Cassandra or even Kaidan hell no ^^

Who's next Varric will be bi too ? Come on...

[Ryzaki]

Hmm, that's true, I somehow forgot about DAO's romance-ends.  It's just, only Anders would dump you in DA2, even though it seems like there should be spots for the others to dump you as well. (Enslaving Orana should cause Fenris to dump you, for example.) I'd like to see more of that in DAI.

 

I can understand why Fenris didn't dump Hawke for Orana though. The girl didn't really have better options and Hawke can't harm her. You treat her pretty much like a servant.

 

I can't really justify the bloodmage thing so easily =/

[Maria Caliban]

Here's the thing though- not "enabling" Anders' mental illness means convincing him that his is a lost cause, and that he made a horrible mistake, and that he shares his body with a monster.

Which is true.

He made a mistake and he is sharing his body with a monster.

As that monster can take over their shared body and commit acts like blowing up a Chantry, we get into the realm of straight up body horror and the erasure of personal agency. After that, Anders has so little will of his own to do anything save die, that he's willing to join Hawke in killing the mages in the Gallows, despite the fact that they are innocent and are, in fact being killed because of what his body did. It is just layers and layers of fucked up and subversive, but it can be topped with a kiss and called "better" because he's technically innocent of terrorism.

The body horror and erasure of personal agency happens no matter what you do. The friendship just makes the process of losing his soul and having his personality twisted into something horrible feel a bit better.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I m annoyed because in Thedas the only homosexual in this world are in your party. Why did you never see a homosexual NPC ? Where are they ? Are they hiding ?

 

And most of all I don't want to see every damn character to be bi, especially Cassandry who's serious and a straight woman she shouldn't become bi just to please some weird fanboys or fangirls. It's ok if some are bi (I m not against it) just like Zevran for exemple he's bi and it suits very well the character, but Cassandra or even Kaidan hell no ^^

Who's next Varric will be bi too ? Come on...

Wade and Herren are. Empress Celine and Briala are.

 

And you know Cassandra is straight how? The only 'affection' she's shown anyone was that guy at the end of DotS with a chaste kiss on the cheek. With what we know, she's closer to asexual than anything else. 

[Darth Krytie]

I m annoyed because in Thedas the only homosexual in this world are in your party. Why did you never see a homosexual NPC ? Where are they ? Are they hiding ?

 

And most of all I don't want to see every damn character to be bi, especially Cassandry who's serious and a straight woman she shouldn't become bi just to please some weird fanboys or fangirls. It's ok if some are bi (I m not against it) just like Zevran for exemple he's bi and it suits very well the character, but Cassandra or even Kaidan hell no ^^

Who's next Varric will be bi too ? Come on...

 

Um. Well, I didn't know I had to fill out a checklist to see what sexualities are applicable to my personality.  Soooooo....well. Anyhow, Branka and Hespith were lovers. Don't know if Branka was bisexual or purely lesbian doing her dwarven duty to marry.

[Zyree]

I m annoyed because in Thedas the only homosexual in this world are in your party. Why did you never see a homosexual NPC ? Where are they ? Are they hiding ?

 

And most of all I don't want to see every damn character to be bi, especially Cassandry who's serious and a straight woman she shouldn't become bi just to please some weird fanboys or fangirls. It's ok if some are bi (I m not against it) just like Zevran for exemple he's bi and it suits very well the character, but Cassandra or even Kaidan hell no ^^

Who's next Varric will be bi too ? Come on...

 

I don't understand what you are saying here at all... Why is Cass certainly straight? Why Varric or Kaidan? I am bi and I frequently usually only express my attraction to girls simply because I tend to date more girls then boys. In fact, my first 4 relationships were with girls and then I dated a boy for the first time. That doesn't mean I wasn't bi...

[Mes]

I m annoyed because in Thedas the only homosexual in this world are in your party. Why did you never see a homosexual NPC ? Where are they ? Are they hiding ?

 

And most of all I don't want to see every damn character to be bi, especially Cassandry who's serious and a straight woman she shouldn't become bi just to please some weird fanboys or fangirls. It's ok if some are bi (I m not against it) just like Zevran for exemple he's bi and it suits very well the character, but Cassandra or even Kaidan hell no ^^

Who's next Varric will be bi too ? Come on...

 

Well like I said earlier, I thought it actually made a LOT of sense for Kaidan to become bi (or whatever you call that). I mean to me it meant he was always bi, just didn't act on it until later in life. There's nothing unrealistic about that.

 

You have a point regarding NPCs. It would be nice to see different sexualities outside of the party. But to be fair it's not like we know the sexualities of every NPC we meet, just the occasional ones who talk about their husbands/wives.

[Phate Phoenix]

Wade and Herren are. Empress Celine and Briala are.

 

And you know Cassandra is straight how? The only 'affection' she's shown anyone was that guy at the end of DotS with a chaste kiss on the cheek. With what we know, she's closer to asexual than anything else. 

 

Cassandra as asexual romance semi-confirmed!

 

(I wish.)

[Ryzaki]

Well like I said earlier, I thought it actually made a LOT of sense for Kaidan to become bi (or whatever you call that). I mean to me it meant he was always bi, just didn't act on it until later in life. There's nothing unrealistic about that.

 

You have a point regarding NPCs. It would be nice to see different sexualities outside of the party. But to be fair it's not like we know the sexualities of every NPC we meet, just the occasional ones who talk about their husbands/wives.

 

Also Kaidan? Suddenly bi?

 

"LOSING YOU WAS A LOSING A LIMB"

 

My first reaction to that was O_o did I import my gaykaidanmance by mistake? *checks* Nope. What kind of reaction is that?

[WildOrchid]

I m annoyed because in Thedas the only homosexual in this world are in your party. Why did you never see a homosexual NPC ? Where are they ? Are they hiding ?

 

And most of all I don't want to see every damn character to be bi, especially Cassandry who's serious and a straight woman she shouldn't become bi just to please some weird fanboys or fangirls. It's ok if some are bi (I m not against it) just like Zevran for exemple he's bi and it suits very well the character, but Cassandra or even Kaidan hell no ^^

Who's next Varric will be bi too ? Come on...

 

This post makes me laugh, honestly.

Mostly laughing at you saying Cass is "straight"

[AresKeith]

I m annoyed because in Thedas the only homosexual in this world are in your party. Why did you never see a homosexual NPC ? Where are they ? Are they hiding ?

 

And most of all I don't want to see every damn character to be bi, especially Cassandry who's serious and a straight woman she shouldn't become bi just to please some weird fanboys or fangirls. It's ok if some are bi (I m not against it) just like Zevran for exemple he's bi and it suits very well the character, but Cassandra or even Kaidan hell no ^^

Who's next Varric will be bi too ? Come on...

 

As much as I'd rather there be set sexualities of 2/2/2

 

no need to act like this

[Darth Krytie]

Ignore and report.  That's what I'm doing.  All this person is trying to is derail the thread with incendiary comments and not even really on topic.  He's just looking for attention.  I know it's tempting, but let's not give it to him here.

 

@Allen: I didn't know it was up for a vote, but I guess I'll vote to keep romances in BioWare games.  That suits me just fine.  

 

It wasn't up for a vote. Allan actually just posed the question hypothetically...what would we think if romances were removed, if they were replaced by platonic content. And then further asked how to include queer content outside of the scope of romances, as it generally is now.

[Grieving Natashina]

It wasn't up for a vote. Allan actually just posed the question hypothetically...what would we think if romances were removed, if they were replaced by platonic content. And then further asked how to include queer content outside of the scope of romances, as it generally is now.

I was referring to his last comment:

 

 

Unless someone can show that I'm mistaken, I vote we pull it back in to Romances in BioWare's games again.

 

 

I'm sure it was meant tongue-in-cheek, so I responded in kind.

[Darth Krytie]

I was referring to his last comment:

 

 

 

 

I'm sure it was meant tongue-in-cheek, so I responded in kind.

 

Ah, I see. I missed that one. Thanks.

[Grieving Natashina]

https://en.wikipedia...ki/Yuri_(genre)

Ah, source links.  The best weapon against trolls.

 

@Seish: This is my only response to you directly.  Just stop posting now.  You're making yourself look like a sexist idiot, even if you are neither.  Since I will give you the benefit of the doubt, I thank you for your input and for bumping the thread.  However, if anime comparisons are all you have to offer, this would probably be a fair time to bow out.

 

@Darth  I was contributing my own ideas to the inclusion of queer content outside of romances last night.  With a few...exceptions, this has still been one of the best conversations regarding romance in DA I've ever seen.  As long as we report, ignore and move on, we can continue to have this wonderful discussion.  Even with some of the folks I don't entirely agree with (like with rivalmances,) I still feel like we've got something good in here.  

[AresKeith]

How did people feel about the platonic content idea?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

How did people feel about the platonic content idea?

Platonic content idea?