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[Ispan]

*gasp* WHO says that! Ridonculous!

 

I'm pretty sure ALL of my celeb crushes are in their 30s. 30s is like this magical decade where everyone becomes extremely hot. Well that's what I think, anyway. You're still relatively young BUT you've got this self-assurance and wisdom that someone in their 20s or younger doesn't have.  Ahhhhh 30s.

 

I'm so glad you said this, it's spot on!  A few smile lines and an air of "I know who I am and what I want" make all the difference.  Now give us all those hot 30-something LIs  

[Darth Krytie]

I'm so glad you said this, it's spot on!  A few smile lines and an air of "I know who I am and what I want" make all the difference.  Now give us all those hot 30-something LIs

 

Yes! Adults! Like adult adults not kid adults. (If you're younger than me by ten years, you're a kid.) I like a bit of maturity. I think it'd make sense, given we're leading this whole organization. Romances with someone who wants to drink the Thedas-equivolent of Natty-Ice or Molson Canadian and read their copies of a Gryphon Beat as they gossip about who was seen dancing with whom at the last noble ball and who they saw loitering around The Muscled Clam last week would seem kind of strange. Give me someone who's held a real job for a few years, seen some battle, knows their own self enough to not crumble under difficult circumstances.

 

Give me...Garrus. Person. Person I can romance.

[Vapaa]

(If you're younger than me by ten years, you're a kid.)

 

Wow, didn't know I should sue my boss for child labour

[Darth Krytie]

Wow, didn't know I should sue my boss for child labour

 

Hey, don't worry. I bet you'll feel the same when you get to my age. It's a generation thing. Can't always be helped. I get called kid by my friends who are in their 40s/50s.

[Vapaa]

Hey, don't worry. I bet you'll feel the same when you get to my age. It's a generation thing. Can't always be helped. I get called kid by my friends who are in their 40s/50s.

 

My collegues got over that cheap joke quite quickly.

[Darth Krytie]

What would you all feel about a romance in which you needed to earn someone's respect first? The emotional component is there, sure, but respect for your capabilities tied into it too? Like, making certain choices in the field earned their respect and that's what is the key to romancing that particular person? I'm not meaning it as a cross-the-board mechanic, but a one-on-one particular thing. And I mean it to be dissimilar to completing a companion quest....

[Allan Schumacher]

Can you think of an example (hypothetical or otherwise)?

 

Like, a romantic interest that takes the player character achieving/accomplishing something to take notice?

[Darth Krytie]

Say someone that is very pragmatic, not prone to fits of overt displays of emotion...Inquisitor accomplishes two, three, four plot points going with "the Greater Good" as a motto. The most tactical plan, making neither a show of wasting resources on emotional decisions nor losing valuable ground. So, each of these situations increases their respect for you, for your leadership along side building the emotional connections through conversation. When it reaches a certain level of respect gained due to your actions, the romance becomes available.

[Darth Krytie]

Can you think of an example (hypothetical or otherwise)?

 

Like, a romantic interest that takes the player character achieving/accomplishing something to take notice?

 

Forgot to add: I was thinking about the mechanic in DA2 with the Arishok. You could gain his respect by telling him about his missing delegates, bring Fenris with you to the first meeting, not hiding the mutilation to their bodies, not lying about Isabela. Got a cheevo for it, I think. But if it could be tied into a romance with someone that suited it. Someone who would only romance you if they respected you, I think that'd be BRILLIANT. I'd love that. You can care for someone, but not want to date them if you didn't respect them, didn't agree with their ideology or goals.

[Allan Schumacher]

Say someone that is very pragmatic, not prone to fits of overt displays of emotion...Inquisitor accomplishes two, three, four plot points going with "the Greater Good" as a motto. The most tactical plan, making neither a show of wasting resources on emotional decisions nor losing valuable ground. So, each of these situations increases their respect for you, for your leadership along side building the emotional connections through conversation. When it reaches a certain level of respect gained due to your actions, the romance becomes available.

 

Separated from something like approval, though, in that (perhaps on top of "approval") however else the player influences the potential romance interest, those "respect earning" events must be accomplished as a prerequisite for the romance to even begin in any capacity?

[Mes]

I love that idea, Darth! Respect is always a good foundation for a relationship!

 

I would also be interested in seeing a relationship come from friendship, too. Like best friends who later decide they're right for each other in a romantic sense. I think that would be very endearing. (It's sort of my head canon for what happened with male Shep and Kaidan.)

[Darth Krytie]

Separated from something like approval, though, in that (perhaps on top of "approval") however else the player influences the potential romance interest, those "respect earning" events must be accomplished as a prerequisite for the romance to even begin in any capacity?

 

Yes, separate. In that case, it would be specific plot points where you'd have a choose a specific way to complete them. Something that the Companion would respect in the execution.  And while a close friendship would not be barred, a romantic one would until a certain level of respect is gained.

[Allan Schumacher]

Yes, separate. In that case, it would be specific plot points where you'd have a choose a specific way to complete them. Something that the Companion would respect in the execution.  And while a close friendship would not be barred, a romantic one would until a certain level of respect is gained.

 

Would that kind of be the failure state, too?  If in a romance, if the player loses enough respect then the romance character moves on?

[Darth Krytie]

Would that kind of be the failure state, too?  If in a romance, if the player loses enough respect then the romance character moves on?

I would think so, maybe. If it dipped too low.  Say an end to a quest has one of three states. (Not that every quest will have all three (or any) possibilities)

 

1. Preferred.

2. Neutral.

3. Unsatisfactory.

 

I'd say, the player wouldn't lose respect so much for neutral decisions, but unsatisfactory ones would lower it. Going to a certain threshold could generate a crisis state in the romance...bringing it back up (through dialogue and future action) could save it or it could end.

 

I would think this would be better suited if not ALL quests had some sort of respect-attachment. But important ones. Or relevant ones.

Modifié par Darth Krytie, 11 avril 2014 - 08:27 .

[Darth Krytie]

Oh, sorry for the double post...I just thought of a great example using stuff we already had in place.

 

Hypothetical Anders Romance in Dragon Age 2 With This System.

 

In the game itself, you could become Arcane Defender or Templar Supporter (based on Cheevos, which means the data was tracked). There were certain quests you could complete that would either favour the Mages or Templars. (And I think there were one or two that had neutral endings.)

 

Anyhow, if you were to romance Anders, he'd obviously prefer you didn't kill the mages. So, for every Mage-related quest you completed, and saved the mages, you'd earn a point in his book. If you sided with the Templars, you'd lose a point. If you sided with the mages enough times to get some sort of connection with him: he sees you as an ally, someone he can trust, someone he can respect, based on your choices, you'd then be able to pursue a romance with him.

 

After the romance is active, if you suddenly decide to KILL ALL THE MAGES, eventually it becomes a problem, triggers a crisis state in the relationship, and can possibly end it. (If you don't change your mage-slaying ways.)

 

All of these mechanics are present separately in the game. Tracking decisions, tagging choices that lead to respect, crisis states in a romance, etc. But pulling it together could make something fantastic.

[TKavatar]

If Varric and Cullen (if he's a companion) are love interests for the player, do you think they'll be straight/playersexual?

They've never really shown any interest towards the same sex in the previous games; Varric only talked about liking cute dwarven servant girls and Cullen only crushed on the female mage warden.

Of course there is no reason for them to be not bi (which would please a lot of players) but IMO I will find it very jarring if Varric suddenly comes out in DAI with some story about how his first love was a male Carta rogue when he has never indicated any such thing in DA2.

Cullen is a bit easier to justify since we really don't know anything about him but even so he never showed any affection for the male mage warden.

[Mes]

If Varric and Cullen (if he's a companion) are love interests for the player, do you think they'll be straight/playersexual?

They've never really shown any interest towards the same sex in the previous games; Varric only talked about liking cute dwarven servant girls and Cullen only crushed on the female mage warden.

Of course there is no reason for them to be not bi (which would please a lot of players) but IMO I will find it very jarring if Varric suddenly comes out in DAI with some story about how his first love was a male Carta rogue when he has never indicated any such thing in DA2.

Cullen is a bit easier to justify since we really don't know anything about him but even so he never showed any affection for the male mage warden.

 

Whatever happens, I will throw a shoe in their faces if either of them start talking about any previous loves! Gaaarrrgghh!!

 

Anyway it wouldn't feel jarring to me. Having a crush on one girl years ago doesn't automatically mean you're completely straight.

 

I think they'll be playersexual if they are LIs. I have faith Bioware would do a good job with them.

[Grieving Natashina]

Whatever happens, I will throw a shoe in their faces if either of them start talking about any previous loves! Gaaarrrgghh!!

 

Anyway it wouldn't feel jarring to me. Having a crush on one girl years ago doesn't mean you're completely straight.

 

I think they'll be playersexual if they are LIs. I have faith Bioware would do a good job with them.

 

I agree with the rest of your post, but to call Bianca a "crush" is an understatement.  His lost love is more like.  Whether she's alive or dead, she's lost to him.

 

"There was a girl and I made a promise.  It's the one story that I'll never tell."

 

Edit: That doesn't make Varric bisexual or straight in my book.  However, we can't just dismiss what Bianca meant/means to him.

[Mes]

I agree with the rest of your post, but to call Bianca a "crush" is an understatement.  His lost love is more like.  Whether she's alive or dead, she's lost to him.

 

"There was a girl and I made a promise.  It's the one story that I'll never tell."

 

Lol I was referring to Cullen's crush.

[Dio Demon]

If Varric and Cullen (if he's a companion) are love interests for the player, do you think they'll be straight/playersexual?

They've never really shown any interest towards the same sex in the previous games; Varric only talked about liking cute dwarven servant girls and Cullen only crushed on the female mage warden.

Of course there is no reason for them to be not bi (which would please a lot of players) but IMO I will find it very jarring if Varric suddenly comes out in DAI with some story about how his first love was a male Carta rogue when he has never indicated any such thing in DA2.

Cullen is a bit easier to justify since we really don't know anything about him but even so he never showed any affection for the male mage warden.

Just because they've never stated their preference towards another sex doesn't mean that they don't feel that way. Let's say you knew me for 20 years and you've only known me to go after women and suddenly I start expressing interest in a  man. Would you see me as a different person entirely?

 

Not everyone understands their sexual preference straight away.

[Grieving Natashina]

Lol I was referring to Cullen's crush.

Ah, gotcha.  

[Allan Schumacher]

I would think so, maybe. If it dipped too low.  Say an end to a quest has one of three states. (Not that every quest will have all three (or any) possibilities)

 

1. Preferred.

2. Neutral.

3. Unsatisfactory.

 

I'd say, the player wouldn't lose respect so much for neutral decisions, but unsatisfactory ones would lower it. Going to a certain threshold could generate a crisis state in the romance...bringing it back up (through dialogue and future action) could save it or it could end.

 

I would think this would be better suited if not ALL quests had some sort of respect-attachment. But important ones. Or relevant ones.

 

I like it.  I do think that conversation content is still something that can have varying degrees of success and failure.  QADevSpeak: Keeping the respect-attachment contained to a subset of the quests helps make it easier to manage and less prone to breaking.  I'd prefer it this way as well, from a development standpoint.

 

I'd also make the respect "counter" a threshold with some overlap.  That is, say you need 6/10 to be "respected," but you'd need to drop to below 4/10 (not 6/10) to enter the crisis.

 

 

If Varric and Cullen (if he's a companion) are love interests for the player, do you think they'll be straight/playersexual?

They've never really shown any interest towards the same sex in the previous games; Varric only talked about liking cute dwarven servant girls and Cullen only crushed on the female mage warden.

Of course there is no reason for them to be not bi (which would please a lot of players) but IMO I will find it very jarring if Varric suddenly comes out in DAI with some story about how his first love was a male Carta rogue when he has never indicated any such thing in DA2.

Cullen is a bit easier to justify since we really don't know anything about him but even so he never showed any affection for the male mage warden.

 

One challenge is that, part of the issue with even just 5 years ago is that our comfort and familiarity level with this sort of stuff has grown (Mine almost immeasurably so).  Keeping a character bound purely based on "what we saw" from a previous game, when it needn't ought to be is unnecessary IMO.  I think it also moves into a problematic area where, for example, a bisexual character can only be bisexual if that character only makes explicit commentary that when it comes to romances, they like both genders.

[Grieving Natashina]

Just because they've never stated their preference towards another sex doesn't mean that they don't feel that way. Let's say you knew me for 20 years and you've only known me to go after women and suddenly I start expressing interest in a  man. Would you see me as a different person entirely?

 

Not everyone understands their sexual preference straight away.

Exactly.  My best friend from high school is bisexual and came out when he was 20.  You know what?  He was still the exact same person that he was before he came out.  Nothing about him had changed, other than becoming more comfortable with who he was and who he was attracted to.  He didn't "flaunt his lifestyle" or any such stereotypes like that.  He was a happier person though.  Just tossing that out there.

[Zered]

Varric is Bianca-sexual. Period.

[CannotCompute]

Varric is Bianca-sexual. Period.

 

Yeah. Unless some story event changes things, I think Varric will stay loyal to Bianca.