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That could easily be changed though, and just because he wears heavy armor doesn't always mean he's a warrior...maybe he's a tanky rogue?
They could change it, especially if the left the order, but the Templar specialization is also for Warriors...
Don't get my hopes up just so they can be crushed! 
and if they really did confirm even class distribution...does that mean that DHMG has a better chance to be a mage-companion? 
I, er, adored Steve and Sam actually. I think NPCs romances alongside follower romances broaden the field a bit. :et us get to know and love people with a wider range of skills and backgrounds since they don't have to be combat proficient (though Cullen is).
I too, like the concept of npc romance 
But only if they can do it correctly.
Maybe because I have many friends in the military, and all of them has told me that when they were deployed, the idea of their wives / husbands / partners waiting at home was one of the most important things that keep them going. So I like the concept of a romance story in which your love one can't join you in battle. The love, the distance, the thought, the fear ... all of that can be interesting if they build and allow us to explore them correctly.
and if they really did confirm even class distribution...does that mean that DHMG has a better chance to be a mage-companion?
If there's even distribution, I'm betting Viv, Solas, and DHMG (as Dorian?) for mages.
If Cullen is a companion, then either he's the last warrior and Iron Bull is a rogue or the other way around. If he's not, then I'm hoping for an unrevealed female for the last rogue, if not Cole.
I really feel like Iron Bull is a warrior and he's a dual wielder, since it seems they made a point of saying he's a two hander at Pax today? Maybe they're just teasing to get us excited to have dual wielding warriors back? Or they could just want to tease in general about Iron Bull.
If there's even distribution, I'm betting Viv, Solas, and DHMG (as Dorian?) for mages.
If Cullen is a companion, then either he's the last warrior and Iron Bull is a rogue or the other way around. If he's not, then I'm hoping for an unrevealed female for the last rogue, if not Cole.
I really feel like Iron Bull is a warrior and he's a dual wielder, since it seems they made a point of saying he's a two hander at Pax today? Maybe they're just teasing to get us excited to have dual wielding warriors back? Or they could just want to tease in general about Iron Bull.
I thought they meant the two-handed big weapon, not dual-wield. Like Fenris.
I really feel like Iron Bull is a warrior and he's a dual wielder, since it seems they made a point of saying he's a two hander at Pax today? Maybe they're just teasing to get us excited to have dual wielding warriors back? Or they could just want to tease in general about Iron Bull.
If they said that he's a dual wielder...I get the impression he's a rogue that wields two daggers
If they said he's a dual HANDER though, then he's definitely a warrior...or he has a bow...my brain hurts...
I don't really buy the "lust" excuse for rivalmances. I can't understand why these people would even stick around you. I think the "breaking point" for leaving or trying to kill your PC is too low, honestly. I don't understand this "love and respect despite disagreeing" argument in context. That works, to an extent, but I think the DA games push it too far. Most people are not going to "love and respect" someone that supports putting their race in slavery, or a lot of the other decisions we make in game. It's just asking too much. Maybe even if there were more conversation checks or SOMETHING to denote the characters had some objection to what was happening. As is, it really does just seem absurd, to me.
My playthrough with rival romancing with Fenris is not finished but I have been enjoing it. I don't see it as unhealthy. I see it as a way of not agreeing everytime. You can have an argument with someone and if you both are passionate persons then you may end up shouting each others but that is not a bad thing. You can always apologise later. I think the problem with DA2 is that you don't have a blight which could justify your actions unlike in DAO.
It could be interesting to have a romance triggered and then you could end it but then you could also rekindle it. There could also be consequences if you flirt with others while being in a relationship. It could lead to some kind of conversation where your LI is unhappy and is demanding answers from you.
What would you all feel about a romance in which you needed to earn someone's respect first? The emotional component is there, sure, but respect for your capabilities tied into it too? Like, making certain choices in the field earned their respect and that's what is the key to romancing that particular person? I'm not meaning it as a cross-the-board mechanic, but a one-on-one particular thing. And I mean it to be dissimilar to completing a companion quest....
I think this could be interesting. You could earn someone's respect for example killing certain number of enemies or keeping everyone alive in battles through several quests. I could imagine this happening when you are for example 25 year old girl and you have older LI who is 35 year old. Before he could respect you you should prove your self to him for example keeping your entire party alive in 20 quests. Of course there should be some conversation before that where he might tell you that he is not sure if you are capable leader and saying keeping everyone alive in battle is really important and maybe give you an example about this.
About the age issue. I like the idea that your companions are older. That is very welcome. I don't see any problems with relationships if you happen to be 20 and your LI is 35 for example. You both are adults so why not.
And I'm also interested in having Solas as an LI. However for some reason I would like to change his grey pants... I hope it's possible.
I liked them as characters but their romances felt half-done. Actually, all of the romances in ME3 felt that way to me, I wasn't too impressed.
This.
edit : I remember actually.
If they are going with NPC romances and the also have both a male and female NPC romance, I wonder if that means we'll be going to the 2/2/2 sexuality distribution that's been discussed. It's a long shot assuming both that Cullen is an NPC and that a female will be an NPC romance, though. It could either be that Cullen is a companion, or that he's just an extra, fifth romance.
If they are going to do the 2/2/2 system, though, I wonder who would fill all the slots. I would assume Cullen would be the hetero slot, honestly. It makes sense that they would go that way, since he's the only one with in game history to support it.
My playthrough with rival romancing with Fenris is not finished but I have been enjoing it. I don't see it as unhealthy. I see it as a way of not agreeing everytime. You can have an argument with someone and if you both are passionate persons then you may end up shouting each others but that is not a bad thing. You can always apologise later. I think the problem with DA2 is that you don't have a blight which could justify your actions unlike in DAO.
It could be interesting to have a romance triggered and then you could end it but then you could also rekindle it. There could also be consequences if you flirt with others while being in a relationship. It could lead to some kind of conversation where your LI is unhappy and is demanding answers from you.
My problem with it is the gravity of the issues you're fighting over. Of course all couples argue, but usually it's about how to budget, or mild to moderate preferences. Even maybe a disagreement on religion, if you're fairly moderate people. It's not an ex-slave with a long history of physical, sexual and emotional abuse having to deal with a person that supports the institution that did this to them. Do you get what I'm saying?
I thought they meant the two-handed big weapon, not dual-wield. Like Fenris.
They could have also meant that. I just meant that there's the possibility in their wording and everyone wondering if dual wielding for warriors is coming back. It would be a good way to announce that it is back if they have a follower friday for Iron Bull at some point (if it's true, that is.)
If they said that he's a dual wielder...I get the impression he's a rogue that wields two daggers
If they said he's a dual HANDER though, then he's definitely a warrior...or he has a bow...my brain hurts...
I can't give a quote from devs, just from Lady Insanity's panel post http://ladyinsanity....pax-weekend-was
She just says "The Iron Bull #TwoHander" in one section of her post, so I'm assuming someone asked and that's specifically how they responded.
If there's even distribution, I'm betting Viv, Solas, and DHMG (as Dorian?) for mages.
If Cullen is a companion, then either he's the last warrior and Iron Bull is a rogue or the other way around. If he's not, then I'm hoping for an unrevealed female for the last rogue, if not Cole.
I really feel like Iron Bull is a warrior and he's a dual wielder, since it seems they made a point of saying he's a two hander at Pax today? Maybe they're just teasing to get us excited to have dual wielding warriors back? Or they could just want to tease in general about Iron Bull.
It's my hope that Vivienne and DHMG/Dorian are romances, especially since a balanced party significantly ups the chances of the latter being in the party.
That said, it would be lovely to have some big beefy non-standard male LI, like Iron Bull or Bearded Warden. I don't find them especially physically appealing myself, but it'd be good for variety. And just based on concept art and the survey blurb, they both sound like a laugh! If Cullen's an LI, the other male LI (or LIs) should be fun. Not like DA2 again.
If Cullen's an NPC romance, then perhaps Scribe Girl is as well. Which would leave a spot open in the party for a fourth female companion. I imagine I'll be happy whichever other female LI they pick, but I do hope it's Viv.
My problem with it is the gravity of the issues you're fighting over. Of course all couples argue, but usually it's about how to budget, or mild to moderate preferences. Even maybe a disagreement on religion, if you're fairly moderate people. It's not an ex-slave with a long history of physical, sexual and emotional abuse having to deal with a person that supports the institution that did this to them. Do you get what I'm saying?
I agree on the rival romances. I can't comment on anything from personal experience, but I've already given a long rant-ish about Fenris's here http://qunerdi.tumbl...cult-to-romance and about how just watching videos made me realize I'm unable to (not trying to judge or insult those who do, however! I hope my post doesn't come across that way.)
It's my hope that Vivienne and DHMG/Dorian are romances, especially since a balanced party significantly ups the chances of the latter being in the party.
That said, it would be lovely to have some big beefy non-standard male LI, like Iron Bull or Bearded Warden. I don't find them especially physically appealing myself, but it'd be good for variety. And just based on concept art and the survey blurb, they both sound like a laugh! If Cullen's an LI, the other male LI (or LIs) should be fun. Not like DA2 again.
If Cullen's an NPC romance, then perhaps Scribe Girl is as well. Which would leave a spot open in the party for a fourth female companion. I imagine I'll be happy whichever other female LI they pick, but I do hope it's Viv.
my dream romance team is everyone i mean
Women: Vivienne, Cass, and Sera plus Scribe Girl for NPC
Men: Solas, Iron Bull, and BW plus Cullen for NPC
which i now realize comes out to eight in total so it's got about .0001% of happening aha
Damn I'm too late the spotlight was going to be on me! I am depression now :'(
*pats MetalGear312 on the head* There, there, its okay we all still appreciate it will a hug make you feel better?
my dream romance team is
everyonei mean
Women: Vivienne, Cass, and Sera plus Scribe Girl for NPC
Men: Solas, Iron Bull, and BW plus Cullen for NPC
which i now realize comes out to eight in total so it's got about .0001% of happening aha
Hah, everyone would be just perfect! On the plus side though, you're guaranteed at least one you want to romance. There's something about all the potential companions I like, though I kind of hoping we have three of each gender, since it's not like it would be the first time they've tried that. It would give us plenty of choice!
Hah, everyone would be just perfect! On the plus side though, you're guaranteed at least one you want to romance. There's something about all the potential companions I like, though I kind of hoping we have three of each gender, since it's not like it would be the first time they've tried that. It would give us plenty of choice!
I'm also crossing my fingers for 6 LI, 3 guys 3 girls. It's not impossible, I mean, DA2 had 5 with Sebastian.
I agree on the rival romances. I can't comment on anything from personal experience, but I've already given a long rant-ish about Fenris's here http://qunerdi.tumbl...cult-to-romance and about how just watching videos made me realize I'm unable to (not trying to judge or insult those who do, however! I hope my post doesn't come across that way.)
my dream romance team is
everyonei mean
Women: Vivienne, Cass, and Sera plus Scribe Girl for NPC
Men: Solas, Iron Bull, and BW plus Cullen for NPC
which i now realize comes out to eight in total so it's got about .0001% of happening aha
And then we can have our Dragon Age: The Dating Simulation game lol
My problem with it is the gravity of the issues you're fighting over. Of course all couples argue, but usually it's about how to budget, or mild to moderate preferences. Even maybe a disagreement on religion, if you're fairly moderate people. It's not an ex-slave with a long history of physical, sexual and emotional abuse having to deal with a person that supports the institution that did this to them. Do you get what I'm saying?
Yes I understand what you mean. That there should be some issues which your companions shouldn't tolerate and that makes sense. However my Hawke is against slavers but she also likes mages because she has a lovely sister and they are friends. So my Hawke is not a bad person and I don't see her being abusive towards Fenris. I just see that they have a lot of disagreements but despite them all they love each other and I always imagine my PC and my LI's to be equal even if my PC is noble and my LI isn't. Of course Fenris has his issues but so has Hawke.
Yes I understand what you mean. That there should be some issues which your companions shouldn't tolerate and that makes sense. However my Hawke is against slavers but she also likes mages because she has a lovely sister and they are friends. So my Hawke is not a bad person and I don't see her being abusive towards Fenris. I just see that they have a lot of disagreements but despite them all they love each other and I always imagine my PC and my LI's to be equal even if my PC is noble and my LI isn't. Of course Fenris has his issues but so has Hawke.
Well, to me, the problem is that there aren't any issues presented in game that go too far. There are rarely "deal breaker" moments with anyone. I would be able to better accept rivalmances if they had more gating. As is, though, I honestly don't think they have enough dealbreaker moments or enough chances for your companions to just leave if you're continuously working against their interests. To me, it's a bigger issue than romances. I can't see the reason a lot of these people stay with you, or even what keeps them from actively working against you, with the sort of choices they let you make and the complete lack of any options to try to reason the other characters to your way of thinking.
Hah, everyone would be just perfect! On the plus side though, you're guaranteed at least one you want to romance. There's something about all the potential companions I like, though I kind of hoping we have three of each gender, since it's not like it would be the first time they've tried that. It would give us plenty of choice!
Lol yeah. I love the romances and enjoy making player characters, so, at some point, I'll have gone through all the romance options available.
I agree! I can see myself enjoying a romance with any of them. It's probably because this is the first DA game where I'm here for the wait and hype and all of that.
At the end of the day, even if we only have Cass, Cullen, and then two others, I'll be sore about any options that had been lost, but I'll still play what we're given and I don't see why I wouldn't enjoy the romances.
And then we can have our Dragon Age: The Dating Simulation game lol
Take out the totally best part of the game and make it it's own thing? Best idea, endorsed 1000%
lol eh, I'm just a hopeless romantic so I actually wouldn't mind having them all be options. As long as they were done well and it doesn't take away from the story and visuals and all of that, I don't really see a problem in all of them being options. Just one more reason to replay it multiple times lol
I agree on the rival romances. I can't comment on anything from personal experience, but I've already given a long rant-ish about Fenris's here http://qunerdi.tumbl...cult-to-romance and about how just watching videos made me realize I'm unable to (not trying to judge or insult those who do, however! I hope my post doesn't come across that way.)
my dream romance team iseveryonei mean
Women: Vivienne, Cass, and Sera plus Scribe Girl for NPC
Men: Solas, Iron Bull, and BW plus Cullen for NPC
which i now realize comes out to eight in total so it's got about .0001% of happening aha
Yes rivalry having him walk away then come barging in with smoldering eyes is a great scene. XD
Is there any reason nobody consider Warden to be a rogue? At the end Duncan was one.
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