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That never made sense to me either, because I was actually planning a f/f Shep for ME3 because they rumored it was going to happen... then it didn't. There was nothing about her character that made her seem like she wouldn't be into "THE Commander Shepard".
She's deeply religious and xenophobic. It's never directly stated but I always saw Ash as a homophobe....
. It's worth talking about because ME3 did offer same sex romances, Bisexual romances, and straight romances as opposed to either DA:O or DA2
Would you guys be willing to put it these concerns more into more of the context of Dragon Age? Make some comparisons, or something. This is the Dragon Age forums. Not everyone played Mass Effect and the assumption that everyone did leaves some of us in the dark. I liked one of the posts about ME earlier, because he put it into context for me.
I've said my piece.
I still say that the m/m Kaidan romance is the best m/m romance in any Bioware game though. While it wasn't intended, it ended up being this great tension filled build up over the course of the first two games and then, bam, finally in ME 3, he comes out to Shepard and they have a really sweet, touching, supportive relationship throughout the game.
Kaidan's is the best out of most of the Bioware romances (IMO, and I tested SEVERAL Shepards throughout the course of my scientific research). No matter what the gender of the Shep romancing him. The only detraction to ALL of the romance arc would be that the writers didn't give FemShep the option to have a backbone when he accused her of cheating on him.
My husband actually felt bad turning him down in ME3.
I think it's because you could count a female Shepard/Liara romance as gay. That, combined with Traynor, means that in ME3 there are 2 gay female romances, whereas just one gay male romance (Steve). That's why they made Kaidan a male romance as well, to make it 2 homosexual options for each gender. Also it kinda suits Kaidans character, I can imagine him being gay, whereas Ashley, well... From the way she hangs off Vega in Citadel, and some of her correspondence you can read, it's clear that she is 100% into guys.I am still curious as to why Kaidan was made available to both, but not Ashley, perhaps the writers felt it didn't fit her character, in which case its acceptable if annoying, if it was laziness or lack of time to implement I would be less sympathetic.
How many think that Iron Bull WON'T be a romance option? Since Gaider seems disinclined to include one because fans want to fill a kink?
I disagree. It isn't a kink to find Qunari attractive, and I don't think that was what Gaider meant when he said that.
I only hope that's the extent of their takings from ME3.Agreed. Talking about the approach to ME's romances helps us determine how they might proceed in DAI, cause I guarantee the DAI devs took a good look at how ME3 romances were done.
Kaidan's is the best out of most of the Bioware romances (IMO, and I tested SEVERAL Shepards throughout the course of my scientific research). No matter what the gender of the Shep romancing him. The only detraction to ALL of the romance arc would be that the writers didn't give FemShep the option to have a backbone when he accused her of cheating on him.
My husband actually felt bad turning him down in ME3.
Lord have mercy, Kaidan was awesome. One hell of a slow burn, but awesome
Last Kaidan post, I SWEAR.
I'm leaning towards companion romances being;
DHMG/Solas
Cassandra/Sera
NPC romances being;
Cullen/Scribe Girl
I am still really interested in seeing if this means we'll get the 2/2/2 system that's been talked about. If we do, who do you guys think will fit into the hetero/bi/gay slots?
If we don't get 2/2/2, I look for Cullen to either be a companion somehow, or for him to just be an extra 5th NPC romance. I think it's very possible he's just an extra 5th.
How many think that Iron Bull WON'T be a romance option? Since Gaider seems disinclined to include one because fans want to fill a kink?
The reason why I think he won't is because Qunari don't traditionally express love with physical affection. Yes, he left the Qun behind but that's still a lifetime worth of belief ingrained into him. Unless they make him a chaste romance ala Sebastian or he's really that different from other members of his race, I doubt it.
I disagree. It isn't a kink to find Qunari attractive, and I don't think that was what Gaider meant when he said that.
I fully intend to create the biggest, manliest, sexiest male Qunari Inquisitor that I can and, if that's kink, I guess I have to come to terms with that..... 
I hate the 2/2/2 system, but I'd bang on Cullen being straight, if it were so.
I hope there are romances that are restricted to one gender or the other because I find romances that are male PC only make playing as a male PC more interesting to me. Honestly unless there is a significant difference playing as a male (like romancing Morrigan) I have a hard time convincing myself to try a playthrough that is not a female PC.
I fully intend to create the biggest, manliest, sexiest male Qunari Inquisitor that I can and, if that's kink, I guess I have to come to terms with that.....
Just make sure you don't sit there drooling over your Inquisitor all day.
Would you guys be willing to put it these concerns more into more of the context of Dragon Age? Make some comparisons, or something. This is the Dragon Age forums. Not everyone played Mass Effect and the assumption that everyone did leaves some of us in the dark. I liked one of the posts about ME earlier, because he put it into context for me.
I've said my piece.
The big beef here is that while Mass Effect accurately conveyed a wide spectrum of sexualities throughout the series... they all seemed to be skewed towards a male Shepard in general OR for a Femshep with lady leanings. Due to the nature of the series, by the time we get to the third game... a heterosexual Femshep could be left with NO options (forcing them into a hur hur hot lesbian relationship with Liara the blue wonder or Traynor or NOTHING) while a Male Shepard still has a vast harem to choose from regardless of his choices in previous games.
((which is another reason I think I am now into Dragon Age more than Mass Effect, the fact that it is a different protagonist each game gives them more freedom, I think))
The reason why I think he won't is because Qunari don't traditionally express love with physical affection. Yes, he left the Qun behind but that's still a lifetime worth of belief ingrained into him. Unless they make him a chaste romance ala Sebastian or he's really that different from other members of his race, I doubt it.
I thought that the qunari Inquisitor is Vashoth, not Tal-Vashoth? So they wouldn't necessarily have been exposed at all to the Qun. So, depending on their background, they could be more culturally Orlesian (or Ferelden or whatever) than Qunari (capital Q).
The big beef here is that while Mass Effect accurately conveyed a wide spectrum of sexualities throughout the series... they all seemed to be skewed towards a male Shepard in general OR for a Femshep with lady leanings. Due to the nature of the series, by the time we get to the third game... a heterosexual Femshep could be left with NO options (forcing them into a hur hur hot lesbian relationship with Liara the blue wonder or Traynor or NOTHING) while a Male Shepard still has a vast harem to choose from regardless of his choices in previous games.
Thank you, that's a nice start. All I'm asking for is if posters are not happy with X companion in X situation in Mass Effect, just let the rest of know what the circumstances were. 
I'm sorry if I came off as a little snappy. 
I thought that the qunari Inquisitor is Vashoth, not Tal-Vashoth? So they wouldn't necessarily have been exposed at all to the Qun. So, depending on their background, they could be more culturally Orlesian (or Ferelden or whatever) than Qunari (capital Q).
No no, I was referring to why Iron Bull wouldn't be a LI. Not the player character, which is always an exception to the rule. 
No no, I was referring to why Iron Bull wouldn't be a LI. Not the player character, which is always an exception to the rule.
Oh yeah, duh. That does make more sense. Is Iron Bull confirmed as Tal-Vashoth? I can't seem to remember if that stated anywhere.
I thought that the qunari Inquisitor is Vashoth, not Tal-Vashoth? So they wouldn't necessarily have been exposed at all to the Qun. So, depending on their background, they could be more culturally Orlesian (or Ferelden or whatever) than Qunari (capital Q).
According to Lady Insanity's blog post, the devs said the Qunari Inquisitor is indeed Tal-Vashoth
ladyinsanity.com/post/82408616090/the-panel-the-first-panel-of-pax-weekend-was
But were they done well?Agreed. Talking about the approach to ME's romances helps us determine how they might proceed in DAI, cause I guarantee the DAI devs took a good look at how ME3 romances were done.
But were they done well?
I romanced Kaidan too, but his arc was almost entirely accidental. It just turned into this slow-burn romance that finally flames out at the very end.
But I've heard plenty criticism of Steve's arc (it doesn't work well for at least some people with his condensed grieving-widow plot), heavy criticism of Samantha (from people whose opinions I highly trust and respect), and tons of criticism of the way a lot of the other characters were handled (especially for female Shepard, as indicated here in this thread).
So unless they're setting their sights on a game full of Liaras, I'm not sure they're going to be better served looking at ME3 than Origins or DA2.
I only spoke about it in the context of having set sexualities for different characters, nothing more.
She's deeply religious and xenophobic. It's never directly stated but I always saw Ash as a homophobe....
She is deeply religious but I will disagree with you about being xenophobic. She has ONE conversation where she puts her foot in her mouth about security concerns because she chose to say "All these aliens" instead of Kaidan who said (in the exact same type of security concern conversation) "the daughter of the enemy". Every other time you put Ash around someone being xenophobic and she puts boots to their heads (the Terra Firma party). Ash misspoke and she made that clear.
Also, religious does not mean homophobe. I know plenty of lesbians, gay men, and transgender folk that believe in the Bible and wouldn't like their faith being called into question with their lifestyle. There are many ways to interpret The Word and there is nothing to suggest that Ash finds anything... untoward about same sex relationships. Ever.
I have seen this picture floating around, which also puts this ME talk into a little bit more context for me. I try to put larger images in spoiler tags so it doesn't take up the thread.
If Manveer Heir's panel at GDC this year is anything to go by, this is not going to be the same this time. Granted, while Heir is ME and this is Dragon Age, I'm betting this is one of those concerns that has been talked about throughout the company.
I hate the 2/2/2 system, but I'd bang on Cullen being straight, if it were so.
I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make him bisexual, just because they know what the demand is for him. Someone mentioned before that they might make the 4 companion "main" romances into the straight/gay romances and have the NPCs as bisexual, to be more "fair". That seemed like a pretty good theory.
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