2090 réponses à ce sujet

[Steelcan]

That infographic is misleading, MaleShep can only carry over ONE romance from ME2, and only if they were romanced in ME2

[GVulture]

Vast harem is a bot of an overstatement, while I will not disagree that straight FemShep got shafted, if you are playing a straight FemShep chances are Kaidan and Garrus are both still alive.

Furthermore the maximum options MaleShep can have in ME3 is four, whereas FemShep has a maximum of four also. Across playthrough MaleShep gets two more admittedly, but they are hardly on par with the other romances.

Entirely possible that a heterosexual Femshep might go with a tragic love story and Kaidan dies in ME1. Then, by pure happenstance... they choose Thane or Jacob in their ME2 story. The options in ME3 are... nothing (because Thane dies and Jacob decides he can't wait more than a month for Shepard while she is in jail). Unless you pay money for the Citadel DLC where you can take advantage of Vega while he is drunk or get creeped on by Javik. What the ever loving... At least a heterosexual Broshep has Liara and Allers.

[daveliam]

That infographic is misleading, MaleShep can only carry over ONE romance from ME2, and only if they were romanced in ME2

 

It's not misleading because it speaks to options.  With the exception of Allers (also note that she's a straight guy/lesbian option), any given Shep can only have 1 romance anyway.  The fact is that there are 7 options for a straight male Shep; 2 options for straight female Shep; 4 options for a lesbian Shep; and 2 options for a gay male Shep.

It's not misleading at all because it doesn't imply that male Shep can romance all of them, just that he can choose from all of them.

[GVulture]

That infographic is misleading, MaleShep can only carry over ONE romance from ME2, and only if they were romanced in ME2

Same with Femshep. You can only carry over Garrus if you romanced him in ME2. So... if you didn't... you have Kaidan. Who might be dead either in ME1 or by your own actions in ME3.

[Hellion Rex]

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make him bisexual, just because they know what the demand is for him. Someone mentioned before that they might make the 4 companion "main" romances into the straight/gay romances and have the NPCs as bisexual, to be more "fair". That seemed like a pretty good theory.

If that were the case....I have no clue which would be the straight or gay romances at all. I think Solas and the Dorian character are highly possible to be the male companion LIs, and I don't know which I could see as gay or straight.

[Steelcan]

Same with Femshep. You can only carry over Garrus if you romanced him in ME2. So... if you didn't... you have Kaidan. Who might be dead either in ME1 or by your own actions in ME3.

And the same applies to Miranda, Jack, Tali, and Ashley

[daveliam]

And the same applies to Miranda, Jack, Tali, and Ashley

 

Yes but, as stated before, only a straight female Shepard can enter ME 3 and have zero options for her.  Lesbian Shep always has Liara, Allers, and Traynor; straight male Shep always has Liara and Allers; and gay male Shep always has Steve.  In this way, straight female Shep really does end up with the worst deal.

[Steelcan]

It's not misleading because it speaks to options.  With the exception of Allers (also note that she's a straight guy/lesbian option), any given Shep can only have 1 romance anyway.  The fact is that there are 7 options for a straight male Shep; 2 options for straight female Shep; 4 options for a lesbian Shep; and 2 options for a gay male Shep.

It's not misleading at all because it doesn't imply that male Shep can romance all of them, just that he can choose from all of them.

There aren't that many options for a single playthrough for MaleShep either

 

the possibilities for one playhtorugh break down as

 

Fem:  Liara, Kaidan (if alive), Garrus (if alive and if romanced) Traynor

Male: Liara, the VS, Miranda, Tali, Jack (all only if alive and if romanced in ME2),a nd Cortez

 

So in one playthrough the maximum available options for a continued Shepard are equal, that doesn't mean that FemShep shouldn't have had the potential for more variations in that final slot

[Steelcan]

Yes but, as stated before, only a straight female Shepard can enter ME 3 and have zero options for her.  Lesbian Shep always has Liara, Allers, and Traynor; straight male Shep always has Liara and Allers; and gay male Shep always has Steve.  In this way, straight female Shep really does end up with the worst deal.

Straight Male Shep, Miranda, Tali and Jack died on the SM and Ashley died on Virmire isn't possible?

 

Allers doesn't count for either since she isn't a proper romance

[Nocte ad Mortem]

If that were the case....I have no clue which would be the straight or gay romances at all. I think Solas and the Dorian character are highly possible to be the male companion LIs, and I don't know which I could see as gay or straight.

That's basically how I see it, too. I want to say Dorian would be gay, though, just because I like Dorian more than Solas. lol

[devSin]

I only spoke about it in the context of having set sexualities for different characters, nothing more.

Ah, OK. I definitely think its worth looking at, though I hope mostly for lessons in what not to do when trying to create equitable romance plots.
 

Entirely possible that a heterosexual Femshep might go with a tragic love story and Kaidan dies in ME1. Then, by pure happenstance... they choose Thane or Jacob in their ME2 story. The options in ME3 are... nothing (because Thane dies and Jacob decides he can't wait more than a month for Shepard while she is in jail).

There's also the very real situation of having your current romance partner die or abandon you and then be confronted by romantic overtures from the guy you broke up with/moved on from.

From a lot of the reaction I saw, Kaidan sadly got caught in a lot of the crossfire from how badly that was handled.
 

Unless you pay money for the Citadel DLC where you can take advantage of Vega while he is drunk or get creeped on by Javik.

Classy, huh? Sexual assault or primitive pity-sex.

[daveliam]

There aren't that many options for a single playthrough for MaleShep either

 

the possibilities for one playhtorugh break down as

 

Fem:  Liara, Kaidan (if alive), Garrus (if alive and if romanced) Traynor

Male: Liara, the VS, Miranda, Tali, Jack (all only if alive and if romanced in ME2)

 

So in one playthrough the maximum available options for a continued Shepard are equal, that doesn't mean that FemShep shouldn't have had the potential for more variations in that final slot

 

I think that you are missing the point that it's not about just a single playthrough.  It's about the sheer total of options for a straight male Shepard compared to everyone else.  Yes, in a given playthrough, a straight male Shep will have between 3 and 4 romance options.  However, that doesn't mean that straight male Sheps in general have 7 options total in the game.

[Steelcan]

I think that you are missing the point that it's not about just a single playthrough.  It's about the sheer total of options for a straight male Shepard compared to everyone else.  Yes, in a given playthrough, a straight male Shep will have between 3 and 4 romance options.  However, that doesn't mean that straight male Sheps in general have 7 options total in the game.

yet that inforgraphic acts like he does, thus it is misleading

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Guys, I'm actually getting a little worried this thread could get locked for being 99% about ME and not DA. lol

[daveliam]

Straight Male Shep, Miranda, Tali and Jack died on the SM and Ashley died on Virmire isn't possible?

 

Allers doesn't count for either since she isn't a proper romance

 

Even if Allers doesn't count, there is still always going to be at least Liara for a straight male Shep when a straight female Shep could have zero. 

 

You can justify in your mind as many ways as you want but there are two undeniable facts:

 

1.)  There is NO way that a straight male Shep can't have a romance in ME 3, while it is possible for a straight female Shep to have zero.

and

2.)  There are 7 (6 if you don't count Allers) possible romance options in the ME 3 game for straight male Sheps to choose from and there are at most two for a straight female Shep.

[Steelcan]

Agreed, let's steer it back

[Steelcan]

2.)  There are 7 possible romance options in the ME 3 game for straight male Sheps to choose from and there are at most two for a straight female Shep.

There are two, Ashley and a possible ME2 romance, just like for FemShep there is Kaidan and a possible ME2 romance (unfortunately its only Garrus)

 

Does MaleShep have more variety for who those two possible romances can be?  Yes, absolutely, and its unfortunate that is that way.

[daveliam]

Also agreed:  All this being said, I'm pretty sure that we won't have to worry about this disproportionate ratio of LI's because we can't import romances.  That's definitely a positive because if they go to the DA: O approach, it will likely be evenly distributed.

[TheDragonThatEatsItsTail]

Something to note when people throw Iron Bull in as a romance option.  Iron Bull is a Tal-Vashoth, and by everything we know, he is first generation.  So yes, it is feasible for him to be sexually active, but as Mary Kirby mentioned, after years and years of selective breeding, it is not very likely for a Tal-Vashoth to be interested in sex for the fun of it.  So while people have their hopes up for him, I personally would not put my chips on him.

 

I think most likely LI combo would be

Cullen, Varric, HandsGuy (maybe Varric is x-ed for Solas)

[GVulture]

Okay... moving on again... What do you think the chances are that Iron Bull and Sera will be romancable? I MIGHT be able to see Iron Bull as romancable if he has embraced teh yar har diddly dee pirate mercenary life for he. While... Sera... who according to the survey "embraces all things about being an elf"... could you see Iron Bullk in a serious romance? Or Sera with anyone other than an elf?

[Steelcan]

Okay... moving on again... What do you think the chances are that Iron Bull and Sera will be romancable? I MIGHT be able to see Iron Bull as romancable if he has embraced teh yar har diddly dee pirate mercenary life for he. While... Sera... who according to the survey "embraces all things about being an elf"... could you see Iron Bullk in a serious romance? Or Sera with anyone other than an elf?

Sera yes, Iron Bull, less likely

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't really see Varric as a love interest, honestly. I see him turning out pretty high in the "Dead Wife Syndrome" spectrum, if he was. 

[GVulture]

Something to note when people throw Iron Bull in as a romance option.  Iron Bull is a Tal-Vashoth, and by everything we know, he is first generation.  So yes, it is feasible for him to be sexually active, but as Mary Kirby mentioned, after years and years of selective breeding, it is not very likely for a Tal-Vashoth to be interested in sex for the fun of it.  So while people have their hopes up for him, I personally would not put my chips on him.

 

I think most likely LI combo would be

Cullen, Varric, HandsGuy (maybe Varric is x-ed for Solas)

As long as DHMG doesn't come across like the Tharan Cedrax. The romance option in love with his computer.

[devSin]

Before the delay, I was thinking that Iron Bull would be the one-off heterosexual romance (4+1 total, like DA2). I don't actually feel it would make all that much sense for him to be a romance option (because, well... qunari, I guess), but it just seemed like something that would happen.

Now, though, I think there are going to be 6, and I have no idea who's going to be available (beyond Cullen and Cassandra, that is). I suspect Solas, but not Vivienne or Varric. So I guess it would have to be Sera, and two mystery guests.

[GVulture]

I don't really see Varric as a love interest, honestly. I see him turning out pretty high in the "Dead Wife Syndrome" spectrum, if he was. 

I worry about that. If Varric is a LI, I kinda... only want him to be with a dwarf or Cassandra... but that is me.