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[daveliam]

I've currently got my fingers crossed for an LI who doesn't look like they'll be crushed between my qunari's thighs.

 

So Iron Bull, it is then.

[Twilight_Princess]

I've currently got my fingers crossed for an LI who doesn't look like they'll be crushed between my qunari's thighs.

 

Like sparrow egg?

[Direwolf0294]

So I heard that Cassandra and Cullen are both romances but straight only? What's the word on this?

 

I'm super disappointed if that's the case. I get that people think set sexuality is better for character (though I like to think a person's personality is far more than their sexuality) but I really liked the way they did things in DA2 because it allowed far more choice.

 

If past BioWare games are anything to go by set sexuality is just going to result in less options for gay PCs (Male Shepards had a grand total of 1 option for example). And as for set sexualities helping personality, chances are we won't even get set gay or lesbian companions, just straight and bi.

 

I love BioWare for allowing romances in their games and giving them a focus (character relationships are important for story and romantic relationships are largely ignored by most RPGs) but it is disappointing that they put straight male PCs first and foremost when developing the romances.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Cullen and Cassandra weren't confirmed to be straight only. There's just no word on what genders can romance them at all.

[BabyFratelli]

The only new confirmation about Cass and Cullen we have:

Cullen is a love interest.

 

Cassandra is a love interest and a companion.

 

That's all. Nothing else has been said. 

[Velestor]

Plsss Cullen and Cassandra for bisexual players 

[Zered]

Didn't I hear that all romances will be player-sexual? :shrug:

[Nocte ad Mortem]

They haven't announced what sexuality structure they're going to use, but I wouldn't worry that there wont be options for same sex relationships. It will probably be either playersexual/bisexual or the 2/2/2 structure (2 gay, 2 straight, 2 bi). Either way, I wouldn't worry about DA becoming ME with the sexuality demographics. 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Decisions the inquisitor makes during the game should affect if companions accept you romantically , shouldn't be just decided on what gender you are imo.

[WildOrchid]

Decisions the inquisitor makes during the game should affect if companions accept you romantically , shouldn't be just decided on what gender you are imo.

 

Agree.

[CENIC]

Decisions the inquisitor makes during the game should affect if companions accept you romantically , shouldn't be just decided on what gender you are imo.

I'm hoping that what they've said about conversations being gated by events rather than approval has something to do with this.

[CENIC]

I do wonder if it might be possible to have Anora/Warden type of romance with Empress Celene in DAI? I did a quick search of it and she will be 36 in this game and is single.

http://social.biowar...12321/1#8546452

This was the route I took with my canon Warden.

Celene may be single "officially" but she was in a long-term private relationship until very recently.

;_;

Spoiler

There isn't even any Celene/Briala fanart on tumblr yet to ease the heartache! Man, I hope there is a way for the Inquisitor to reconcile them.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'd rather they didn't do an Anora type romance with Celene. It ties the character down too much with past save games and I'd rather she could find a way to work things out with Briala.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I'd rather they didn't do an Anora type romance with Celene. It ties the character down too much with past save games and I'd rather she could find a way to work things out with Briala.

Hopefully, gets boring when nearly every lesbian relationship ends badly or tragically. A happy ending for them would be nice

[Lurklen]

 Y'know one of the things that's I've always found odd about the same sex romances in DA specifically was the way there was no real terminology for same sex relationships or anything like that. Like ok I buy that the premise that the world is for the most part accepting of such things to the point that it's not considered a big deal that two characters of the same sex are together.  We're told that, but the world doesn't really reflect it. There are no names for such a relationship(not even derogatory ones), there are no stories in the lore of the world that reflect that this is a part of the general consciousness and there are no rules in place for the society that allow for such a relationship to take place and for the society to continue functioning as it does. For all intensive purposes the civilisations of Thedas are based on medieval and renaissance era civs and function with kings and queens and heirs. There hasn't really been an explanation as to whether that has ever been an issue in regards to same sex marriages. Is such a thing even allowed among royals or nobility?  If so, how does it work? If not, are there some who are angry about that?

 

 In DA:O it seemed like such relationships weren't exactly unacceptable, just not acknowledged. People seemed to know about it but not really talk about it. And in the novels when it is referred to it's almost exclusively seen as this sort of debauched thing the orlesians get up to. (Note: I haven't read the last two books.) Also it's I think known that young mages in the circle tend to sleep with whatever looks vaguely sentient, but this is also seen as sort of an acceptable oddity and an extension of the strangeness of mages .  Any other time such things are referred to, the relationships are either clandestine(affairs, mistresses, whores) or exclusively the actions of the PC or their party.

 

 This makes me feel like the world isn't really all that accepting of same sex relationships. Which is fine, I guess, but I would like a real gauge of what the world of Thedas feels about this. Maybe different places have different values in regards to it. Maybe it's ok in Orlais but unacceptable among the Qunari(would kind of make sense, I don't know what their views on relationships are but considering their view on only doing things that serve the function of their role relationships for personal pleasure rather than just reproduction might not be permitted. I could be wrong of course.) I think the real point of what I'm saying is, in our world being gay or bi or trans means something. Generally it means having to have struggled with your identity at some point and very likely suffered some form of persecution, and then coming through that and defining who you are to yourself and the world at large. In Thedas it just seems to be deciding you prefer inserting tab A into slot B instead of slot C.

 

 You can say the sexes are equal and you can say same sex relationships are accepted, but unless you show why and how it doesn't really mean anything in the world of the games and in fact just reads like an accommodation to players. Which is fine, no one wants to feel bad about themselves while they play their video games, it just lessons the depth of the world. Also I'm not saying it's this games job to solve the issues of bigotry or the inequities of the world, I'm just saying if you're going to present a society that has figured some of this stuff out than maybe you should show how( star trek always bugged me with this). Especially when it is a world so full of hatred in other ways. Though off the top of my head maybe it could be a result of Andrastian worship. Maybe that's like the one good thing to come out of that religion, that would be funny.

 

 TLDR: While same sex relationships in the DA games are inclusive to players, they have little to no reflection in the cultures and societies of the game world thus making them superficial at best. If you're are going to make a world accepting of gender and sexual differences it has to be reflected in the culture of the world or it doesn't feel real.

[daveliam]

 

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Yeah, I tend to agree with that post.  I would love more of the "show don't tell" approach to how s/s relationships are seen and treated in Thedas.  We've a few examples of them (Wade/Herren, Branka/Hespith, Nicolas/Julien, Celene/Briala, Leliana/Marjolaine, Zevran/several guys, Isabela/several gals), but none of them have been given really great detail.  I'd love to see some more well-fleshed out gay/lesbian NPC couples so we can see how Thedas looks at them from the outside, in addition to some dialogue that is specific to the s/s coupling between the Inquisitor and his/her LI.  You get a little of that with some of the banter (Oghren and Gamlen, I think, both comment on the s/s relationships and show pretty stereotypical dudebro responses of "ew, who's the girl" for the guys and "that's hot" for the gals), but it'd be nice to seem some more depth and nuance to it.

[Mes]

 You can say the sexes are equal and you can say same sex relationships are accepted, but unless you show why and how it doesn't really mean anything in the world of the games and in fact just reads like an accommodation to players.

 

I agree with you in that I'd like to see (like daveliam pointed out) same sex relationships in NPCs, talked about in historical codexes, etc.

 

However I sort of get the impression that same sex relationships aren't discussed in lore because they were never seen as unnatural or deviant in any way in the Dragon Age universe. Just because homosexuality was and still is a big deal in our universe, doesn't mean the video game has any need to reflect that.

 

I think there's no term for homosexuality in Dragon Age because it really is just seen as completely natural. 

[Dio Demon]

Can we please keep The Masked Empire spoilers in spoiler brackets please? Not everyone is able to finish it as of yet. I'd like to read this thread without being spoilt!

[WildOrchid]

Hopefully, gets boring when nearly every lesbian relationship ends badly or tragically. A happy ending for them would be nice

 

Pretty much. I'm hoping for that too.

[daveliam]

I wonder if we see more same sex relationships since it's going to take place in Orlais, which has been portrayed as a more liberal place than Ferelden.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a few same sex noble couples around. 

[Mummy22kids]

I'm just waiting to see what they do with a Qunari/Dwarf romance.  I'm sure Varric will have a quip or two handy for that one.

[Darth Krytie]

I'm just waiting to see what they do with a Qunari/Dwarf romance.  I'm sure Varric will have a quip or two handy for that one.

 

If someone makes a 'spinners' comment, I'll put a jar of bees in their cot.

[CENIC]

I wonder if we see more same sex relationships since it's going to take place in Orlais, which has been portrayed as a more liberal place than Ferelden. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few same sex noble couples around.

I'm struggling to remember what World of Thedas said about attitudes towards homosexuality from country to country. The only one that really stuck out to me was that in Tevinter it's frowned upon IF you're nobility because there's a strong emphasis on lineage (producing heirs, etc)
I agree that if it is more accepted in Thedas than here on Earth we should see more positive examples of it...

[Mummy22kids]

I'm struggling to remember what World of Thedas said about attitudes towards homosexuality from country to country. The only one that really stuck out to me was that in Tevinter it's frowned upon IF you're nobility because there's a strong emphasis on lineage (producing heirs, etc)
I agree that if it is more accepted in Thedas than here on Earth we should see more positive examples of it...

 

I think that's probably the case with all nobility in Thedas.  Alistair is pretty concerned with having an heir, and Cailan and Anora not having a child seems to be significant.  It seems like it may be accepted by the nobility only if it doesn't interfere with marriage/producing heirs in the same way affairs are accepted- it's OK but don't publicize it or separate from your wife/husband because of it.  But I also think that marriage, for the nobility, is about politics not love.