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[Nocte ad Mortem]

 

That's a good point, though this in particular is something that I do want to see addressed. Not in terms of the romances, but just in general, as we know that all of the other races can interbreed, but not if the Qunari can 

 

I know, but I have seen people specifically asking for Cassandra to be "playersexual" and that bothers me. I'm fine with her being Bisexual, but given her hinted-at relationship with Regalyan from Dawn of the Seeker I would like whatever happened between them to be at least touched upon in-game, and I really don't want that subplot (that existed in a movie completely separate to Inquisition and that took place long before the game) to be altered or dropped entirely if the Inquisitor is female. 

Well, I don't like the idea of them avoiding talking about existing relationships either, honestly. I wasn't a fan of it with Anders. I'd rather they discussed relationships equally with both genders, if that's an important part of the character's back story. Some characters can be left vague if they reasonably have no romantic history, or if there's no reason for their history to be considered relevant to the plot. If there's a reason to bring up the relationship, personally, I'd rather they just did it for both genders like some characters have in the past. 

 

I am a little uncertain how much mention Regalyan will get, though, since people have already debated whether they thought what he and Cassandra had constituted a romantic connection at all. I didn't see the movie, myself, so I can't say. I know several people argued they "just shared a chaste kiss", so I'm not sure how it will be dealt with. 

[daveliam]

 

I am a little uncertain how much mention Regalyan will get, though, since people have already debated whether they thought what he and Cassandra had constituted a romantic connection at all. I didn't see the movie, myself, so I can't say. I know several people argued they "just shared a chaste kiss", so I'm not sure how it will be dealt with. 

 

I don't think she even kissed him on the lips, right?  Didn't she just kiss him on the cheek?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't think she even kissed him on the lips, right?  Didn't she just kiss him on the cheek?

Yes, it was a chaste kiss on the cheek.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't think she even kissed him on the lips, right?  Didn't she just kiss him on the cheek?

That's what I'd heard, yeah. People say it was just a kiss on the cheek. I didn't see it myself, though. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But that could be done with bisexual characters as well. I actually think it would be interesting to have different content based on what gender you romance a companion with.
It wouldn't be wildly different content, like actually having a kid or marrying in-game instead of in an epilouge, but then again, I highly doubt they would include it even with purely straight or gay characters. Different dialouges, however, seem very do-able.

Dragon Age 2 had the dialogue differ depending on Hawke's gender.

[daveliam]

Yes, it was a chaste kiss on the cheek.

 

That's what I'd heard, yeah. People say it was just a kiss on the cheek. I didn't see it myself, though. 

 

Well ****, I kissed a female friend on the cheek the other day.  Does that mean that I'm not gay anymore?

 

So that's good to know.  I was putting some credence into the "she had interest in guys before" stuff, but it sounds like she could be any sexuality at this point. 

[Mummy22kids]

That's what I'd heard, yeah. People say it was just a kiss on the cheek. I didn't see it myself, though.

Yes it was just a kiss in the cheek.

[Mummy22kids]

That's what I'd heard, yeah. People say it was just a kiss on the cheek. I didn't see it myself, though.

Yes it was just a kiss in the cheek.

[Blackrising]

Well ****, I kissed a female friend on the cheek the other day.  Does that mean that I'm not gay anymore?

 

So that's good to know.  I was putting some credence into the "she had interest in guys before" stuff, but it sounds like she could be any sexuality at this point. 

 

Eh, the movie pretty clearly intended for them to have some sort of romantic tension between them. (They literally used the age-old 'whoops we stumbled and fell on top of each other' trope. During their first meeting too, if I remember correctly. My memories of what little I've seen are rather vague, though, so people may feel free to correct me.)

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think the context probably implied they shared an attraction but, if she just kissed him on the cheek and they separated after that, I don't really know how much it should factor in to future conversations. What would she say about it? "Once I had a crush on a boy and I kissed him on the cheek", doesn't make for a very serious, adult conversation, is my concern. She might mention how he changed her opinion of mages, but the romantic tension seems to not be very relevant. I guess if she was saying she wished she'd made a move on it, or something? I mean, if you're getting into a relationship with her, maybe she'll say something like, "I'm not going to make that mistake and let you go like, etc etc"? That's the only way I see it coming up. It doesn't seem very important on the whole, though, it was so long ago and pretty fleeting. 

[Dutchess]

 

Unless of course having children is vital to that companions plot...but even in the baby plots we've already had (Alistair being King and Morrigan's DR) there's alternatives for those who would rather not.

 

What alternative were there for Alistair being king? You get dumped by him because apparently you're now infertile, even though he can marry Anora without problems and she is likely infertile too. That's not much of an alternative to having babies.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

What alternative were there for Alistair being king? You get dumped by him because apparently you're now infertile, even though he can marry Anora without problems and she is likely infertile too. That's not much of an alternative to having babies.

Alistair was a grey warden, so it's pretty much full circle on the infertility issue. I think it was more just that he had to marry a noble than that they actually expected any kids to come of it. You can be queen as a female noble, but two wardens popping out a kid is unlikely and he doesn't care that he's stunting his chances. 

[Dutchess]

Alistair was a grey warden, so it's pretty much full circle on the infertility issue. I think it was more just that he had to marry a noble than that they actually expected any kids to come of it. You can be queen as a female noble, but two wardens popping out a kid is unlikely and he doesn't care that he's stunting his chances. 

 

He explicitly says he is expected to have a child now that he's king and because you're a Warden and the chance of having children is very slim, you're out of the picture.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

He explicitly says he is expected to have a child now that he's king and because you're a Warden and the chance of having children is very slim, you're out of the picture.

I haven't done his romance, so I didn't know that. It is pretty weird reasoning. 

[SurelyForth]

What alternative were there for Alistair being king? You get dumped by him because apparently you're now infertile, even though he can marry Anora without problems and she is likely infertile too. That's not much of an alternative to having babies.

 

I think being dumped by Alistair for infertility was the f!Warden pregnancy plot for DAO.

 

Also, for the record, it was terrible and I hope they never make player infertility (or fertility) an issue in their games again (especially if you then have to ask your ex-boyfriend to get another woman pregnant in order to save your lives...*facepalm*). 

 

As for babies ever after endings, most SWTOR romances ended in baby talk, and it felt really weird and forced. I don't say this very often, but that's the sort of thing that really is better left for headcanon/fan works. It's just heteronormative as ****, and something that undermines some of the seriousness of the game. I suppose that, if there's a post-catastrophe world state, the Inquisitor could maybe put it out there if they want, but I think it should be up to the player and not something that springs up because it's "the next logical step" in a relationship.

[Ryzaki]

What alternative were there for Alistair being king? You get dumped by him because apparently you're now infertile, even though he can marry Anora without problems and she is likely infertile too. That's not much of an alternative to having babies.

 

Queen Cousland is just as infertile as every other female PC but politics. (And I PERFECTLY understood that plot). That wasn't a complaint. It was just saying how the only babies part of Alistair's romance was completely optional. (And actually had squat to do with the romance). Mistress if anything would not want babies and if Alistair remains a GW it doesn't matter either way.

 

But the romances aren't "let's have babies! YAY" in the least. I mean my PC's at that would be the jack sparrow noping the hell out of there gif.

 

Edit: Also AGREED I hated how every single SWTOR romanced ended in damn baby talk regardless of how much sense it made. Quinn and Corso I understood. REVEL? WUT.

 

At least the agent avoided that crap. They just talked about you having new recruits :3

[Mummy22kids]

He explicitly says he is expected to have a child now that he's king and because you're a Warden and the chance of having children is very slim, you're out of the picture.

 

Yes but it's because everyone will be looking for an heir to the throne and it is not unusual for that to be expected of a king/queen.  Also, this only comes about if you don't offer to marry him and rule by his side (as a Cousland) or if you don't offer to become his mistress (if he's hardened).  So it's only in so far as he thinks it's his royal obligation to make sure the throne is never empty again (as it is when Calain dies which give Loghain the power to try to take over with his daughter).

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

This seems as good of a thread as any as it's a romance themed thread, but I was talking with some friends and BioWare games came up, and we actually wondered "How would people react if there were no romances?" (But presumably replaced with some other type of writing content instead)

 

I'm not saying DAI has no romances, but I'm just curious how many people simply expect them to be there, and if they weren't there, would be more than a little disappointed.

 

I wouldn't be personally disappointed if romances weren't included in a future game. I've had fun with them, but on the whole no more or less fun than other content I've enjoyed. So long as I can keep interacting with my companions as individual personalities I'll be happy.

 

Mostly I feel that I play romances so I can see/hear the additional content each one yields. I think I find the arcs of developing camaraderie more compelling than the romances (not that some of them haven't been nice or anything ).

[Dutchess]

Yes but it's because everyone will be looking for an heir to the throne and it is not unusual for that to be expected of a king/queen.  Also, this only comes about if you don't offer to marry him and rule by his side (as a Cousland) or if you don't offer to become his mistress (if he's hardened).  So it's only in so far as he thinks it's his royal obligation to make sure the throne is never empty again (as it is when Calain dies which give Loghain the power to try to take over with his daughter).

 

Except that if Anora rules solo she never remarries = no child.

Cousland + Anora = warden and likely infertile queen = no child.

Alistair + Anora = warden and likely infertile queen = no child.

 

But for a female warden in a romance with Alistair this is suddenly very important and you get dumped because of it unless you have jumped through the right hoops and continue to do so.

[Han Shot First]

 

Alistair + Anora = warden and likely infertile queen = no child.

 

 

Assuming for a moment that Anora is infertifle, that isn't necessarily a barrier to King Alistair producing heirs and spares. He just needs to have a mistress, or mistresses, like a lot of historical kings did. Should he manage to produce a bastard son, he could later legitimize him and name him his heir. Anora might not like it, but its his blood...not hers..that links to the Theirin kings.

 

In short assuming for a moment that Alistair and Anora's marriage was to remain childless, my Chancellor Warden would have been advising Alistair that he needs to find other women and f--k for Ferelden. Its his patriotic duty! 

 

That might sound funny, but it seriously is his duty. The last thing Ferelden needs is for Alistair to die childless, with a bunch of ambitious nobles fighting each other for the crown. "To the strongest" is not a good way to handle succession in a monarchy. 

[Mummy22kids]

 

I wouldn't be personally disappointed if romances weren't included in a future game. I've had fun with them, but on the whole no more or less fun than other content I've enjoyed. So long as I can keep interacting with my companions as individual personalities I'll be happy.

 

Mostly I feel that I play romances so I can see/hear the additional content each one yields. I think I find the arcs of developing camaraderie more compelling than the romances (not that some of them haven't been nice or anything ).

 

 

I agree with this.  I play multiple playthroughs and try to experience each romance arc because I don;t want to miss out on any content.  I would be just as happy with the relationships being friendships instead, as long as the storylines were as involved and interesting.

[Stelae]

Assuming for a moment that Anora is infertifle, that isn't necessarily a barrier to King Alistair producing heirs and spares. He just needs to have a mistress, or mistresses, like a lot of historical kings did. Its his blood rather than Anora's that links back to the Theirin kings. Should he manage to produce a bastard son, he could later legitimize him and name him his heir. 

And we know he's capable of fathering a child, thanks to Morrigan.  Brings up an interesting possibility; what if my f!Cousland was pregnant when she killed the Archdemon?  She might have become the mother of the OGB instead of Morrigan.  And the OGB would assume the throne of Fereldan, in good time. 

 

(Alistair could also legitimise a bastard daughter, BTW, and name her his heir.  The blood is the important thing, not the gender.)

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm not sure we can assume being able to conceive during the mysterious "dark ritual" that Morrigan was performing actually means being able to conceive naturally, or at least as easily. Naturally, nobody should be able to make much assurance that one sexual encounter would result in a pregnancy. The chances are stacked against it. So, I imagine there was more to it than that. 

[Mummy22kids]

And we know he's capable of fathering a child, thanks to Morrigan.  Brings up an interesting possibility; what if my f!Cousland was pregnant when she killed the Archdemon?  She might have become the mother of the OGB instead of Morrigan.  And the OGB would assume the throne of Fereldan, in good time. 

 

(Alistair could also legitimise a bastard daughter, BTW, and name her his heir.  The blood is the important thing, not the gender.)

 

Now that is something I never considered, but I find it every intriguing. 

[Mummy22kids]

Now I wish I had the option (as a Fmage) to make a deal with Flemeth to learn the ritual (or keep her grimoire and learn it from that) and have my PC (in a romance with Alistair) have the OGB.  (Ok yes I know there are many, many reasons that would never happen but a girl can dream).