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[Ryzaki]

I'm not sure we can assume being able to conceive during the mysterious "dark ritual" that Morrigan was performing actually means being able to conceive naturally, or at least as easily. Naturally, nobody should be able to make much assurance that one sexual encounter would result in a pregnancy. The chances are stacked against it. So, I imagine there was more to it than that. 

 

She does get preggers if the PC slept with her before she did the DR (and then obviously chooses US. The kid's a normal kid in that scenario I believe). Maybe there's magical ways to improve chances for conception that she was using all along. *shrugs*

[Stelae]

I'm not sure we can assume being able to conceive during the mysterious "dark ritual" that Morrigan was performing actually means being able to conceive naturally, or at least as easily. Naturally, nobody should be able to make much assurance that one sexual encounter would result in a pregnancy. The chances are stacked against it. So, I imagine there was more to it than that. 

The Dark Ritual looked like regular old sex to me, but yes; assuming Morrigan was ovulating, it's about a 1 in three chance. 

 

But it seems to me that the taint does whatever it does to your body slowly, and this may apply to the sterility too.  Or Avernus' draught may stop it altogether, if the plot wills it.  We know there are Grey Wardens who have had successful pregnancies and given birth, albeit not many.  But you have to figure someone who is a brand new, only slightly tainted Grey Warden, spending a lot of (ahem) unprotected quality time with their Alistair, has a more-than-zero chance of becoming a parent.  Plot willing, of course.

[phantomrachie]

Eh, the movie pretty clearly intended for them to have some sort of romantic tension between them. (They literally used the age-old 'whoops we stumbled and fell on top of each other' trope. During their first meeting too, if I remember correctly. My memories of what little I've seen are rather vague, though, so people may feel free to correct me.)

 

I don't think there was romantic tension between them. To me the tension seemed to be based more on the fact that she was a seeker, who didn't like mages much and he was a mage. Throughout the film Cass's understanding of Mages grew and a friendship developed between them.

 

I'm not convinced it was anything more than a friendship.

 

The issue is in almost every form of media, the two male/female leads tend to hook up, either with each other or secondary characters, so we expect it. We spend time wondering if they will ever get together and if they don't get together we're disappointed.

 

It's like men and women can't just be friends anymore

[Blackrising]

I don't think there was romantic tension between them. To me the tension seemed to be based more on the fact that she was a seeker, who didn't like mages much and he was a mage. Throughout the film Cass's understanding of Mages grew and a friendship developed between them.

 

I'm not convinced it was anything more than a friendship.

 

The issue is in almost every form of media, the two male/female leads tend to hook up, either with each other or secondary characters, so we expect it. We spend time wondering if they will ever get together and if they don't get together we're disappointed.

 

It's like men and women can't just be friends anymore

 

Speak for yourself. I jump up and click my heels in joy whenever there's no clichéd romantic subplot going on.

I always have to think of Kim Possible when someone brings up the whole male/female friendship in media thing. That TV show was perfectly fine and unique in not having Kim and Ron get together...and then that awkward movie happened and changed their whole dynamic and I'm scratching my head at that one.

 

I still think they intended Cass and Mage Guy to have something going on, though. Then again, I'm a pessimist and have stopped expecting media to evolve the way I wish it would.

 

I would so love to have more platonic male/female friendships instead of always introducing some sort of sexual tension that does nothing but take away precious screentime from more original relationships. Damn media. *sigh*

[Bob from Accounting]

I think you're underestimating the kind of bond people would have if they go on adventures.

 

It's as Tali says in ME 2. You spend time around someone who is capable and charismatic and attractive, who you go through extraordinary experiences with, you're going to be drawn to them. It's human nature.

 

We have this myth that love is like puzzle pieces. That everyone has a unique design, and to find love, they have to find the person who 'matches up with them' the best. Then they'll fall in love and be happy. Does the fact that we have so many players infatuated over a very small pool of love interests on this forum not prove how silly that is?

 

Clearly, there are traits are just about everyone is attracted to. As I said, human nature.

[pallascedar]

 

I still think they intended Cass and Mage Guy to have something going on, though. Then again, I'm a pessimist and have stopped expecting media to evolve the way I wish it would.

He definitely had a thing for her. Whether or not she felt the same way is up for interpretation. 

[phantomrachie]

Speak for yourself. I jump up and click my heels in joy whenever there's no clichéd romantic subplot going on.

I always have to think of Kim Possible when someone brings up the whole male/female friendship in media thing. That TV show was perfectly fine and unique in not having Kim and Ron get together...and then that awkward movie happened and changed their whole dynamic and I'm scratching my head at that one.

 

 

It is always fun when there is no romantic subplot.

 

It's why I was annoyed by Hunger Games:Catching Fire. All throughout the first book it was clear Katniss was just using Peeta to survive in a subversion of the romantic subplot and then in the second book/third book it was all teen love triangle  ugh.

 

I still disagree about Cass and Regalyan - but it was left up to interpretation. 

[Han Shot First]

And we know he's capable of fathering a child, thanks to Morrigan.  Brings up an interesting possibility; what if my f!Cousland was pregnant when she killed the Archdemon?  She might have become the mother of the OGB instead of Morrigan.  And the OGB would assume the throne of Fereldan, in good time. 

 

(Alistair could also legitimise a bastard daughter, BTW, and name her his heir.  The blood is the important thing, not the gender.)

 

Very true. While there are some similarities between Thedas and medieval Europe, Thedas isn't medieval Europe. He just needs a healthy child to survive into adulthood, and the gender is a bit of non-issue.

 

I think the problem with the OGB as far claiming the throne of Ferelden is that they'd have to be legitimized by Alistair first, at least if any scenario where the succession process is normal and peaceful. I could see that happening of course if OGB's mother happens to be FemWarden, and is Alistair's lover, in which case he'd be almost certain to legitimize the child later on. But I think if the OGB is Morrigan's son, its probably not going to happen and the child remains nothing more than the bastard son of a monarch, and bastards that haven't been legitimized can't inherit. He had reservations about the DR to begin with, and he was not a big fan of Morrigan (sexual tension aside).

[Ryzaki]

It is always fun when there is no romantic subplot.

 

It's why I was annoyed by Hunger Games:Catching Fire. All throughout the first book it was clear Katniss was just using Peeta to survive in a subversion of the romantic subplot and then in the second book/third book it was all teen love triangle  ugh.

 

I still disagree about Cass and Regalyan - but it was left up to interpretation. 

Ugh and it only got worse in Mockingjay God that was the hardest I'd been let down by a finale than that facepalm inducing epilogue in Deathly Hallows.

[Blackrising]

Ugh and it only got worse in Mockingjay God that was the hardest I'd been let down by a finale than that facepalm inducing epilogue in Deathly Hallows.

 

Oh my god, let's not talk about the Harry Potter epilouge. I never headdesk-ed so hard in my life. Except for that part where Hermione and Ron got together, because REALLY. Most mismatched pair of lovers ever, and I don't mean in the good way. Ugh. (I find it funny though that even Rowling acknowledged that Hermione and Ron should not have worked out. Not that I agree with the Harry/Hermione thing, but better than R/H. I mean, for god's sake, the poor girl. At least give her someone who can challenge her intellect.)

[Ryzaki]

Oh my god, let's not talk about the Harry Potter epilouge. I never headdesk-ed so hard in my life. Except for that part where Hermione and Ron got together, because REALLY. Most mismatched pair of lovers ever, and I don't mean in the good way. Ugh. (I find it funny though that even Rowling acknowledged that Hermione and Ron should not have worked out. Not that I agree with the Harry/Hermione thing, but better than R/H. I mean, for god's sake, the poor girl. At least give her someone who can challenge her intellect.)

 

They both turned into such horrible people when they got together. Hermione got jealous, catty and controlling (even more so than usual. before she's just a light and reasonable nag. But afterwards...sending crows to attack his face? not cool) and Ron's more of a twit than usual. And yeah I wasn't a H/Hr either (I was one of the few HarryxLuna shippers and I actually liked Herm with Victor crazy me D: ) But even then all of them staying and marrying with their high school sweet hearts was...ehh though I suppose it works in the Wizarding World cause of the size...

 

Ugh now I'm thinking about that stupid damn chest monster and firewhiskey kisses. :X it would've been fine if that hadn't been presented as tru wub and a relationship that would somehow last decades. God screw that epilogue.

 

Anyway slap slap kiss doesn't always work. But yeah XD sorry I brought up the bad memories...for both of us. Man I was a strong proponent of EWE (epilogue what epilogue) game ended with Harry walking off into the night. That's it. Nothing else happened. *shoves fingers and ears and goes lalalala*

 

To connect this to the topic if there are side romances I would rather they be organic and not forced for the sake of a companion hooking up with someone else.

[Blackrising]

They both turned into such horrible people when they got together. Hermione got jealous, catty and controlling (even more so than usual. before she's just a light and reasonable nag. But afterwards...sending crows to attack his face? not cool) and Ron's more of a twit than usual. And yeah I wasn't a H/Hr either (I was one of the few HarryxLuna shippers and I actually liked Herm with Victor crazy me D: ) But even then all of them staying and marrying with their high school sweet hearts was...ehh though I suppose it works in the Wizarding World cause of the size...

 

Ugh now I'm thinking about that stupid damn chest monster and firewhiskey kisses. :X it would've been fine if that hadn't been presented as tru wub and a relationship that would somehow last decades. God screw that epilogue.

 

Anyway slap slap kiss doesn't always work. But yeah XD sorry I brought up the bad memories...for both of us. Man I was a strong proponent of EWE (epilogue what epilogue) game ended with Harry walking off into the night. That's it. Nothing else happened. *shoves fingers and ears and goes lalalala*

 

To connect this to the topic if there are side romances I would rather they be organic and not forced for the sake of a companion hooking up with someone else.

 

I wouldn't have minded at all if Harry got together with Luna, to be honest. I love Luna as a character and I think her breezy attitude would have done wonders for Harry's perpetual self-pity. I also thought their scenes in the movies were wonderful. (I actually got into shipping Hermione and Snape a few years after having read the books, mostly due to a few discussions that made me realize that they'd be pretty compatible if not for the age difference and his untimely death. And let's face it, the age difference is minor in wizarding terms and never bothered me anyway. I mostly love them because they'd be able to challenge each other, something that especially Hermione needs. Also due to a few incredibly good fanfictions. *sigh* I've always been a sucker for unusual romance.)

 

I'm sorry, what epilouge? Someone must have ripped those pages out of my book. (Spoiler: It was me.)

 

But yeah, back on topic:

I'm not a particular fan of side romances, but I generally don't mind if they don't involve the LIs. I tend to be a bit possessive over them. Fenris and Isabela was fine because I could avoid that by simply never ever taking them out together. Not too difficult, since I want to punch Fenris everytime he opens his mouth and therefore left him to rot in his mansion with all the corpses. >.>
Aveline's side quest I did like a lot, even though a few of my Hawke's were rather heartbroken. Her and Donnic's relationship was very believable and, above all, didn't involve much drama. It was light and fun and didn't distract from the main issues going on. And who doesn't love Aveline's complete lack of talent in the romance department? Even my Hawke's were facepalming and I generally roleplay them as totally clueless idiots.

[phantomrachie]

They both turned into such horrible people when they got together. Hermione got jealous, catty and controlling (even more so than usual. before she's just a light and reasonable nag. But afterwards...sending crows to attack his face? not cool) and Ron's more of a twit than usual. And yeah I wasn't a H/Hr either (I was one of the few HarryxLuna shippers and I actually liked Herm with Victor crazy me D: ) But even then all of them staying and marrying with their high school sweet hearts was...ehh though I suppose it works in the Wizarding World cause of the size...

 

Ugh now I'm thinking about that stupid damn chest monster and firewhiskey kisses. :X it would've been fine if that hadn't been presented as tru wub and a relationship that would somehow last decades. God screw that epilogue.

 

Anyway slap slap kiss doesn't always work. But yeah XD sorry I brought up the bad memories...for both of us. Man I was a strong proponent of EWE (epilogue what epilogue) game ended with Harry walking off into the night. That's it. Nothing else happened. *shoves fingers and ears and goes lalalala*

 

To connect this to the topic if there are side romances I would rather they be organic and not forced for the sake of a companion hooking up with someone else.

 

The Harry Potter epilogue never happened - it was a fever dream of a drug addled Ron.

 

That being said - I had no issue with Hermione hooking up with original Ron, I can see her falling for someone who makes her laugh but by the last book they were both soooooo annoying it was like what's the point.

 

This does remind me of another thing I liked about DA:2 romances; there was no "expected" romance. In DA:O it felt like a lot of the story was set up assuming that you'd romance either Morrigan and Alistair so when you didn't it felt like your romance didn't connect with the overall story.

 

I tend to play a female warden and romance Leliana and be bffs with Morrigan. I always enjoyed that until I rolled a male Warden just to romance Morrigan and I realized that Morrigan's romance was much more integrated into the story and while I could be bffs with Morrigan, I didn't feel I achieved that with Leliana when I didn't romance her.

 

I hope DA:I follows DA:2 in that there are no "expected" romanced.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I actually like when companions are shown to be in a relationship. I don't mind if it's a possible LI, if you've already missed the boat on their romance. I really like seeing the companions interact with each other and form deep bonds with each other. It makes sense that they'd develop bonds with each other and not just with the PC. Seeing them in relationships with each other and also with NPCs, like Aveline, is nice. It gives an impression that they have a life outside of you and the quests you take them on.

 

I do wish they'd have more same sex romances, though. We could really stand to see more independent of the possible PC choice. Especially if they use a bisexual/playersexual type structure for romances, there's no reason why there couldn't be same sex romances among the companions.  

[Ryzaki]

 

*snip*

 

 

But yeah, back on topic:

I'm not a particular fan of side romances, but I generally don't mind if they don't involve the LIs. I tend to be a bit possessive over them. Fenris and Isabela was fine because I could avoid that by simply never ever taking them out together. Not too difficult, since I want to punch Fenris everytime he opens his mouth and therefore left him to rot in his mansion with all the corpses. >.>
Aveline's side quest I did like a lot, even though a few of my Hawke's were rather heartbroken. Her and Donnic's relationship was very believable and, above all, didn't involve much drama. It was light and fun and didn't distract from the main issues going on. And who doesn't love Aveline's complete lack of talent in the romance department? Even my Hawke's were facepalming and I generally roleplay them as totally clueless idiots.

 

XD  Agreed

 

Yeah Fenris and Isabela could be avoided by just not recruiting Isabela (or romancing Fenris before you triggered the dialogue XD)

 

Yes I love Aveline's quest. It's hilarious. Even Aggressive Hawke had to crack a smile there. Well more like a smirk but yeah..

 

*light snip*

 

This does remind me of another thing I liked about DA:2 romances; there was no "expected" romance. In DA:O it felt like a lot of the story was set up assuming that you'd romance either Morrigan and Alistair so when you didn't it felt like your romance didn't connect with the overall story.

 

I tend to play a female warden and romance Leliana and be bffs with Morrigan. I always enjoyed that until I rolled a male Warden just to romance Morrigan and I realized that Morrigan's romance was much more integrated into the story and while I could be bffs with Morrigan, I didn't feel I achieved that with Leliana when I didn't romance her.

 

I hope DA:I follows DA:2 in that there are no "expected" romanced.

 

XD

 

Yeah if a romance requires the characters to become so twisted it's not worth doing.

 

Agreed. Though at least then you could get a "golden" ending without worrying about your LI ditching you. I felt friendship with Leliana but as you said not as strong. Felt strong with Zevran though because of the crow incident.

 

Agreed. Or at least if there's "main" romances have them available to all players.

[Darth Krytie]

I just really want a romance to not be completely tragic or dominated by whatever the LI's raison d'etre is...

 

I too hope that if they have 'main romances' which I suspect Cassandra's will be, then it should be open to everyone. I dislike being railroaded into a choice in the CC...although, sometimes I can understand it.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I really hope they try not to have "main" romances. It was kind of disappointing how much more ingrained in the plot Morrigan and Alistair were, but not even just because they were exclusive. I wish they'd try to incorporate all the companions into the plot to more balance. I realize sometimes it's not always possible to make all 9 equally balanced, but it would be nice if the imbalance at least wasn't so glaring. DA2 did a pretty good job, except for Fenris. 

[phantomrachie]

I just really want a romance to not be completely tragic or dominated by whatever the LI's raison d'etre is...

 

I too hope that if they have 'main romances' which I suspect Cassandra's will be, then it should be open to everyone. I dislike being railroaded into a choice in the CC...although, sometimes I can understand it.

 

If there is a 'main romance' I suspect you are right in thinking that it will be Cass, so I'm hoping she'll be open to everyone.

 

I don't mind being railroaded into a choice in the CC if it is handled well, I like Traynor's response to a male shep coming on to her, but it rarely is. Most of the time it is handled poorly and makes you feel like you made the wrong choice in the CC.

[Darth Krytie]

If there is a 'main romance' I suspect you are right in thinking that it will be Cass, so I'm hoping she'll be open to everyone.

 

I don't mind being railroaded into a choice in the CC if it is handled well, I like Traynor's response to a male shep coming on to her, but it rarely is. Most of the time it is handled poorly and makes you feel like you made the wrong choice in the CC.

Steve/Samantha didn't feel like railroading, I agree. Probably because they weren't the "big deal" romance. Plus, they had equal content.

 

I think the truth of it is, more than anything,  I want the DA equiv of a Garrusmance. I want to be bros with my LI like you could be bros with Garrus even as you romanced him The supportive, always got your back, I'm  here for you no matter what, let's go kill some things romance.

 

Garrus' romance was my number one favourite of all time forever and ever and ever amen because it was perfection. Now, I want DA to do their own version of it.

[smoke and mirrors]

Just to put my two cents worth in about Cass`s sexuality . Just because she may or may not had a relationship with a man doesn`t mean she will be only for a straight  romance . If it happen it was along time ago and has no bearing on any relationship she had before or after . I still think player sexual is the best way to go , it doesn`t lock  anyone out and she could be anything you want her to be in YOUR play thru .

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think the reason people are guessing Cassandra as heterosexual is just deduction, if we're using the 2/2/2 structure to work from. A lot of people assume the NPCs will be bisexual, because it's the most fair approach. That means one companion has to be heterosexual and one has to be homosexual. While it's maybe arguable, a lot of people believe Cassandra showed attraction to a male in the past, which makes her less likely than a clean slate to be a lesbian. If they do 2/2/2, I'd say Cassandra is the pretty easy guess for the heterosexual slot. It's just that there's only 3 guesses and she makes the most sense, overall. The likeliness that they're going to make the straight, female romance an NPC is definitely not great. It's possible that they'll make the NPC a lesbian, but we know Cullen can't be gay so, for balance sake, it's more likely both NPCs would be bi. 

 

It's definitely possible that some of the assumptions wont pan out, but it seems to me that Cassandra is the most likely for the heterosexual slot if they go with 2/2/2. It's to the point that I'd actually be surprised if it ended up someone else, honestly. 

[Former_Fiend]

I don't agree with your deductions, Mort. I see where you're coming from with it, but I still think it's based on flawed logic; the idea that the options are going to be balanced.

 

I still don't see why the npc romance options have to be the same orientation. You'll still have the same number of options.

 

That being said I'm still banking on all options being bisexual(I refuse to say playersexual, as I feel that either implies that their orientation changes depending on which gender you play, or that their sexuality is single targeted towards the player).

[phantomrachie]

I don't think there is A) any reason to believe that 2 NPC romances would have the same sexuality and B)that they are doing the 2/2/2

 

In ME3 the NPC romances where both homosexual because all the other romances in ME3 had been in previous games so to turn around and say 'Ashley is gay now' wouldn't have worked because someone would have a save where a male shepard romanced her in ME1.

 

So there is no indication that they would do the same for any DA:I NPC romances because so far none of the romances are previously romanceable characters.They could both by Bi, straight or a mix.

 

Just because the forums have decided that Cullen has to be an NPC romance is not indication that they will be doing a 2/2/2.

 

I agree that it is very likely that Cullen will be an NPC romance but that could still mean 4 romances with everyone Bi or 6 romances with everyone Bi or maybe its just Cass and Cullen (although that is unlikely) 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

The only arrangement that would seriously disappoint me is if they only had 4 romances with Cullen being an NPC romance. I would be very unhappy with the decision to make an NPC a romance over all the possible companion romances. I have no idea why they would decide to do that. That being said, I do still think having both NPC romances bisexual would be the most fair choice, if they're both having 2 NPC LIs and doing the 2/2/2 system. 

 

I think it's very possible that there will be a bisexuality/playersexuality structure, but when people guess the LI sexualities it's if 2/2/2 is in place. I think most people posting guesses acknowledged it might not be. 

[Former_Fiend]

I wouldn't be surprised if Cullen is the only npc romance with them still doing the 6 bisexual options.

 

Reason I say this is if you look at the female companions, they all make viable romance options. For a long time a large part of the reason people were guessing at Cullen being a PC was because few of the male companions looked to be what they considered suitable for a LI; Iron Bull was too big and burly, Beard Warden was too old, Solas also looked too old in the concept art. The only one that sort of fit what people had as their preconception of what a male dragon age LI should be is DHMG.

 

So I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Cassandra, Sera, and Vivienne were all LI's and Solas and DHMG were the only male companions to be LI's while Cullen was an npc.

 

That being said, it's still perfectly reasonable for either Sera or Viv to end up not being available for whatever reason if we're going to have Scribe lady as an alternative.