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[Master Warder Z_]

The man perm is made of ramen. 

 

I feel like a little bit of the magic has gone out of the universe with this revelation.  I have seen the man behind the curtain.

 

He should be cautious for hyper active blonds attempting to eat his hair.

 

 

You just saw how out of place your opinion was. Your sentence applied to all characters which makes it invalid. You are not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with the game and the whole plot.

 

No i saw how you applied my criticisms to a facet it wasn't intended for to make it seem invalid.

[Wynterdust]

Don't care for him myself since I find him about as interesting as a plank of wood but nor do I care if he's a companion or not. If it fits the story, why not? If it's just for the sake of adding him in, then no an NPC role would be fine. (That is of course assuming he is even present in the game. Although likely, it's all just speculation. (Unless I've missed an announcement somewhere.))

 

I'd probably prefer new characters but I don't care if they're returning characters if they're interesting and fit the story.

[GVulture]

Short and sweet:
 

Cullen represents a very interesting Templar characterization arc. He is very a very Pro-Circle Templar but by the end of Kirkwall, he is very... disenchanted with the Templar Order as a whole. I think that it doesn't help people that don't follow his character well miss his Big Shining Moment of Bad Assery by siding with the Mages.

 

So... yes. I want him as a companion.

[Xilizhra]

Short and sweet:
 

Cullen represents a very interesting Templar characterization arc. He is very a very Pro-Circle Templar but by the end of Kirkwall, he is very... disenchanted with the Templar Order as a whole. I think that it doesn't help people that don't follow his character well miss his Big Shining Moment of Bad Assery by siding with the Mages.

 

So... yes. I want him as a companion.

Ironically, one of Cullen's own quotes about Alain sums him up perfectly there: "Hmph. You mean he was one of them, save for a convenient last-minute change of heart."

[KaiserShep]

I'm not sure that I would describe Cullen's change of heart as convenient, at least not for him, considering that he's been a Templar for quite a long time up until then. His point about Alain was a fair one, even if Alain was possibly under duress. 

[Xilizhra]

I'm not sure that I would describe Cullen's change of heart as convenient, at least not for him, considering that he's been a Templar for quite a long time up until then. His point about Alain was a fair one, even if Alain was possibly under duress. 

Alain was under far more duress than Cullen. And it makes Cullen into a fairly blatant idiot, because Meredith says openly in Cullen's presence that Hawke will share the Circle's fate... but then, the second time she says it later on, Cullen is all "I thought we were going to arrest the Champion."

[LobselVith8]

I'm not sure that I would describe Cullen's change of heart as convenient, at least not for him, considering that he's been a Templar for quite a long time up until then. His point about Alain was a fair one, even if Alain was possibly under duress.

Cullen's "change of heart" for a pro-mage Champion is peculiar. The Champion has been killing waves of templars to protect the mages, defies Meredith's Right of Annulment, and makes no indication of standing down from violently confronting Meredith, but Cullen opposes her because she's willing to kill the Champion? It's a bit odd, if you ask me.

[renfrees]

Cullen's "change of heart" for a pro-mage Champion is peculiar. The Champion has been killing waves of templars to protect the mages, defies Meredith's Right of Annulment, and makes no indication of standing down from violently confronting Meredith, but Cullen opposes her because she's willing to kill the Champion? It's a bit odd, if you ask me.

The whole Last Straw plot makes me cringe, it so far-fetched no matter which side you choose. All voiced participants just... uhh :S

[EmissaryofLies]

Cullen's "change of heart" for a pro-mage Champion is peculiar. The Champion has been killing waves of templars to protect the mages, defies Meredith's Right of Annulment, and makes no indication of standing down from violently confronting Meredith, but Cullen opposes her because she's willing to kill the Champion? It's a bit odd, if you ask me.

 

It is very odd, I don't think it's ever explained either. Due to a lack of time spent with the character it's very difficult to infer as to why he's willing to defy Meredith. Our boy is conflicted and confused, I suspect he's been filled with doubt since act II of DA II. Perhaps the Inquisitor can play a role in shaping the character.

[dragonflight288]

It is very odd, I don't think it's ever explained either. Due to a lack of time spent with the character it's very difficult to infer as to why he's willing to defy Meredith. Our boy is conflicted and confused, I suspect he's been filled with doubt since act II of DA II. Perhaps the Inquisitor can play a role in shaping the character.

 

Umm...doubts eating away at Cullen the whole time? No, that doesn't explain anything. Umm...Cullen questions Meredith's sanity? No, others have been doing that the whole time, and Cullen was probably in denial.

 

Cullen overcoming his trauma and seeing that the templars can be no better than the mages who tortured him? This is a possibility. On the templar path he openly questions what it means to be a templar in front of meredith when sparing the three mages (whom a dev said later that they'd be made tranquil, since an annulment is nothing less than the complete purge of a circle. No half measures, no survivors. Those spared are made tranquil,) finally culminating in him realizing the templars have been acting in such a manner that is unjustifiable and is equally as damaging as the blood mages who tortured him back in Ferelden. 

[LobselVith8]

It is very odd, I don't think it's ever explained either. Due to a lack of time spent with the character it's very difficult to infer as to why he's willing to defy Meredith. Our boy is conflicted and confused, I suspect he's been filled with doubt since act II of DA II. Perhaps the Inquisitor can play a role in shaping the character.

I wonder how that might pan out, especially if the Inquisitor is a mage. Or a heathen, which is a term he's used in the past to refer to dwarves and Qunari (which could be how he sees the Vashoth protagonist).

[Zelanthair]

Hm, I don't really care that much for Cullen. I'd be fine with him being a companion, but I'm not begging for him either.

[GVulture]

Umm...doubts eating away at Cullen the whole time? No, that doesn't explain anything. Umm...Cullen questions Meredith's sanity? No, others have been doing that the whole time, and Cullen was probably in denial.

 

Cullen overcoming his trauma and seeing that the templars can be no better than the mages who tortured him? This is a possibility. On the templar path he openly questions what it means to be a templar in front of meredith when sparing the three mages (whom a dev said later that they'd be made tranquil, since an annulment is nothing less than the complete purge of a circle. No half measures, no survivors. Those spared are made tranquil,) finally culminating in him realizing the templars have been acting in such a manner that is unjustifiable and is equally as damaging as the blood mages who tortured him back in Ferelden. 

 

This. Also, if you routinely check in with Cullen after major plot events, you can see his slow progression towards defying Meredith. http://jelenedrake.t...-again-question He has a couple little moments like this that most players miss because... well... he didn't have a quest marker over his head and saw no reason to talk to him after Enemies Among Us. So all they see is "Mages aren't like us!" and then the complete 180 during The Last Straw. Most of his progression is easily missable for a majority of the players. ((also, it bears noting that Cullen is also fighting against Meredith's call for the Right of Annulment because... well... as he says "the situation in Fereldan was far worse and they were saved". http://jelenedrake.t...ng-a-templar-is

 

Also, I don't know where people get this "Cullen only defies Meredith for wanting to kill the Champion" thing, because in MY game he defies Meredith for wanting to needlessly slaughter mages that turned themselves into the Templars during The Last Straw. THAT'S his crowning moment of FU Meredith, not the "noooo don't kill Hawke!"

 

Also, someone else mentioned that a Pro-Templar Hawke would be killing mages left and right... well... not really. I managed a Pro-CIRCLE Hawke that managed to not kill any mages. Even Gascard walked free. Because believe it or not, most of the Pro-Templar options have some really nice middle ground options. Like supporting Thrask with the runaway Starkhaven mages. The only true dick move my Pro-Circle Hawke pulled was telling Cullen not to let Kiran? back into the Templars after his possible possession ordeal during Enemies Among Us.

[GVulture]

Anyways, what I saw during my Pro-Circle Hawke PT was the Cullen was about to throw up his hands and give the entire Order a heave-to. THAT is why I want him Inquisition because I think someone that was actually IN the Order (and not just knocking at the gates like Alistair) that truly understands both sides of the issues (because of his experience with the worst of both the Templars and Mages) would be an interesting view point to have. Sooooo much potential story wise there. Because... well... frankly... I think someone that has seen all the things that he has seen would have some pretty interesting things to say about it all.

[TK514]

I don't think it's accurate to say Cullen was questioning the Order. I think his concerns were, at the end, with Meredith and the Kirkwall Circle in specific.

I certainly wouldn't expect him to leave the Templars, or to side with the Mage Rebellion.

[LobselVith8]

I don't think it's accurate to say Cullen was questioning the Order. I think his concerns were, at the end, with Meredith and the Kirkwall Circle in specific.

I certainly wouldn't expect him to leave the Templars, or to side with the Mage Rebellion.

I take it you think Cullen will still be a templar? If that's the case, which templar faction do you think he will belong to, given the schism between Justina and Lambert?

[GVulture]

Cullen's "change of heart" for a pro-mage Champion is peculiar. The Champion has been killing waves of templars to protect the mages, defies Meredith's Right of Annulment, and makes no indication of standing down from violently confronting Meredith, but Cullen opposes her because she's willing to kill the Champion? It's a bit odd, if you ask me.

I said it in my other post, but again, you don't have to kill a single Templar (except for that one jerk in a Tranquil Solution of course) to have a Pro-Templar Hawke.

[Livia29]

I hope Cullen is a companion and if possible a romance option. Like others have said, he's seen corruption on both sides and he probably has an interesting view on the whole Mage/ Templar thing, making him more open minded. Plus I think he's handsome and he was one of the few Templars I actually liked in DA2 

[Zazzerka]

Nah.

[GVulture]

I don't think it's accurate to say Cullen was questioning the Order. I think his concerns were, at the end, with Meredith and the Kirkwall Circle in specific.

I certainly wouldn't expect him to leave the Templars, or to side with the Mage Rebellion.

"After what happened in Fereldan, I told myself I would never again question the purpose of the Order."

 

Whether or not he stays a Templar after being failed by the Circle in Fereldan and the Order in Kirkwall... well... I dunno. The War Room concept art has a decidedly Cullen looking man who is definitely NOT wearing Templar armor so I am leaning towards a completely "NOPE!" Cullen by the time Inquisition rolls around.

 

Interestingly enough, he and Samson have nearly polar opposite progression. At the beginning of DAII, Sampson is all, "Templars suck. The jerks kicked me out" and by the end of Dragon Age II Sampson is clamoring about all the dangerous mages, "please take me back Meredith, I wanna cull them all!"

[TK514]

I take it you think Cullen will still be a templar? If that's the case, which templar faction do you think he will belong to, given the schism between Justina and Lambert?

Justina's. I think his character arc, if continued, will bring him full circle (no pun intended) from moderate to extreme hard liner and back to moderate, both older and wiser for his experiences.

When you think about it, few Templars have the breadth of experience regarding both sides of the Mage/Templar divide as he has. He's been tortured to near insanity by rogue Mages, and witnessed firsthand the corruption and abuse possible in the Templars themselves, up to and including having to take up arms against an insane Knight-Commander.

Of the possible 20 Annulments in the entire history of the Circle, he can have been present for two, or two near misses, depending. He was strident about calling for one, yet preached leniency in another.

Can anyone suggest a better candidate that we know of for a character who could be a true Moderate and yet still be a Templar?

And as Justina seems to be moderate herself, I would expect him to have the potential to have risen rather far if she extends her patronage.

[GVulture]

Justina's. I think his character arc, if continued, will bring him full circle (no pun intended) from moderate to extreme hard liner and back to moderate, both older and wiser for his experiences.

When you think about it, few Templars have the breadth of experience regarding both sides of the Mage/Templar divide as he has. He's been tortured to near insanity by rogue Mages, and witnessed firsthand the corruption and abuse possible in the Templars themselves, up to and including having to take up arms against an insane Knight-Commander.

Of the possible 20 Annulments in the entire history of the Circle, he can have been present for two, or two near misses, depending. He was strident about calling for one, yet preached leniency in another.

Can anyone suggest a better candidate that we know of for a character who could be a true Moderate and yet still be a Templar?

And as Justina seems to be moderate herself, I would expect him to have the potential to have risen rather far if she extends her patronage.

Perfectly said. If there is to be a Templar that hangs with the Inquisitor, they would have to be a moderate (because other wise the player would just dismiss anything they would have to say, unless they were actually trying to RP) and it would be a shame to throw away all of the work that the devs have put into Cullen's arc already.

[ladyofpayne]

Alistair was not a Templar. He was a former novitiate who takes the opportunity every time the subject comes to tell you how much he hated it.

Edit: Honestly, I couldn't care less if it's Cullen or Ser Knight Captain We've Never Heard Of, I just want an actual Templar companion for once. We've had the pro-apostate view three games running, in multiple variations. It's overdue to have a reasonable representative from the Templar perspective.

He was but he told us about templars. I dont't want to hear all of it once more.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

My opinion:

 

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