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[Rainbow Wyvern]

What do you want from me? Yes I don't  want to see Cullen as companion because it will be made for his fans. I want to see game, which is made by developers not some group fans. Because you know - that won't be fair. Many people love Orlais, Antiva, Tevinter. How about them? Ignore tham only because that didn't have 3000 pages in their themes? No matter that orlesian (example) noble and commoner in party can show Orlais from different poin of view and make game more deep and this option will be rejected only because of some fanarmy wants something from developers? BAH!

*sighs*

First off, you're painting the Cullen fanbase as a bunch of ravenous loons, when that is simply not the case. I'd have to say, Cullen's fanbase, as pointed out by a few people on this very thread, is actually quite reasonable compared to say, Cullen's haters, or fanbases of some other characters.

Also, we're getting an Orlesian companion. *points to Vivienne* 

We also have already had an Antivan. *points to Zevran*

 

Now, can people please stop making Cullen threads? It is tiring to see them pop up so often. Some like Cullen, some don't. The developers will do what they think is best for the story, be it not including Cullen or including Cullen. 

[The Elder King]

I wonder- haven't you tired of Mage\Templar things. Alistair would be templar, there was a lot of templar charaters as NPC. We already know so much about the Order. I don't want to hear all of it again from companion. For example we could also have orlesian scolar or commoner: both can be intresting, can show Orlais from other side than hear "templars- pro and cons" once more.

  

What do you want from me? Yes I don't  want to see Cullen as companion because it will be made for his fans. I want to see game, which is made by developers not some group fans. Because you know - that won't be fair. Many people love Orlais, Antiva, Tevinter. How about them? Ignore tham only because that didn't have 3000 pages in their themes? No matter that orlesian (example) noble and commoner in party can show Orlais from different poin of view and make game more deep and this option will be rejected only because of some fanarmy wants something from developers? BAH!

My opinion of the mage-templar war is irrelevant. The war is still going, and we'll get companions with the pro-Cirlce and pro-Chantry perspective. I don't see you complained about them, even though we already had companions and NPCs supporting those perspective.
I'd love to have companions shown Orlesian or Tevinter perspective, but that doesn't means I don't what a companion with a pro-templar perspective. Having one doesn't exclude the others.
But I once again disagree that the presence of Cullen would mean that the devs' reason was to appease the fans. Gaider already talked about this in another Cullen thread. The fact that you don't see any reason storywise or in character development for having Cullen doesn't mean that the devs or some of us feel the same.

[EmissaryofLies]

I hope Cullen is the definitive PC of the final Dragon Age game.

[The Elder King]

I hope Cullen is the definitive PC of the final Dragon Age game.

Sorry, I don't understand what you meant. PC as the player character?

[EmissaryofLies]

Sorry, I don't understand what you meant. PC as the player character?

 

Yes, would be something to talk about.

[The Elder King]

Yes, would be something to talk about.

Yes, would be something to talk about.

I'd make popcorn and enjoy the rage on the forum.

[EmissaryofLies]

Exactly my point.

[BlueMagitek]

He's okay, I was surprised to find out that he was popular (Cullen who?  Oh, that guy from the mage origin / Circle quest). 

 

I'd prefer someone else as a companion.  We've already dealt with him for two games.

[Monica21]

He became far more interesting to me in DA2 and is one of the character progressions I thought they did well, so sure, I'd like him as a companion.

[GVulture]

What do you want from me? Yes I don't  want to see Cullen as companion because it will be made for his fans. I want to see game, which is made by developers not some group fans. Because you know - that won't be fair. Many people love Orlais, Antiva, Tevinter. How about them? Ignore tham only because that didn't have 3000 pages in their themes? No matter that orlesian (example) noble and commoner in party can show Orlais from different poin of view and make game more deep and this option will be rejected only because of some fanarmy wants something from developers? BAH!

Nobody was talking about abandoning other characters. Also, I think you must have a very poor opinion of Bioware if you think that they would do something just because some fans would want them. Tali and Garrus might have been brought back by popular demand for ME2 and ME3, but they still had to fit into the story. It was something talked about by... Patrick Weekes I think? about how he and some other writer had to do all kinds of extra work to keep them in the games but NOT because fans wanted them. So this idea that they would "pander" to a "fanarmy" just for the sake of pandering is... well... a very low opinion of Bioware that I don't think that the DA team deserves.

 

Cullen was in DA2 not because a "fanarmy" wanted him there. He was there because they retconned all the possible epilogues for him and CHOSE to have him there to fuel the Mages Vs. Templar debate in Dragon Age II. Could they have used any old Templar like Thrask? Sure. But having it Cullen helped because they had a talking head to feed some exposition to a player that didn't play Origins. Hawke needed to know about the Uldred crap in Kinloch Hold because it could possibly have affect their decision with the Kirkwall one. What better way to do that than by having someone who was there to provide said exposition?

 

As for your other comments... We have had companions from most of the major continents in Thedas now.

 

Orlais = Leliana and Vivienne. Antiva = Zevran. Tevinter = Fenris. Rivain = Isabela. Neverra = Cassandra. Anderfels = Anders (kinda?)

Not to mention all the Fereldens, Free Marchers, Starkhaven...ers? And Par Vollen.

 

Soooo... I don't think that we can really say that we are missing anyone... with the exception of a elven companion from an Alienage, we have them all covered. We even have a companion from the Fade of all places.

[Ispan]

Orlais = Leliana and Vivienne. Antiva = Zevran. Tevinter = Fenris. Rivain = Isabela. Neverra = Cassandra. Anderfels = Anders (kinda?)

Not to mention all the Fereldens, Free Marchers, Starkhaven...ers? And Par Vollen.

 

Soooo... I don't think that we can really say that we are missing anyone... with the exception of a elven companion from an Alienage, we have them all covered. We even have a companion from the Fade of all places.

 

It's nice to see that all laid out   I hadn't really thought of the diversity of our companion representation in that way.  Thanks!

[GVulture]

It's nice to see that all laid out   I hadn't really thought of the diversity of our companion representation in that way.  Thanks!

Granted Isabela and Anders aren't exactly... patriotic and didn't talk about their homelands much but still...

[SamaraDraven]

Everyone likes what they like and that means there will always be a conflict of interest. The devs know this. They will build the game they see fit to - not that fans see fit to. It's an insult to the devs to insinuate otherwise. And it's an insult to any player to proclaim they'll rage like brats if they don't get their way. Such opinions make it plain how little respect you extend to fellow players. Don't like Cullen? That's fine. I don't like Anders. Well - no - I did like him in Awakening. Fun trivia: I didn't like Cullen at the end of DAO either as I found his new paintbrush for mages too general, too broad and too harsh - though I thought it was believably human after what he experienced. I never understood how Isabela became a companion in DA2 when she's soooo unimportant in DAO, but she was an awesome add in DA2. I'm not thrilled about seeing Leliana again. I had kind of hoped, in DA2, that Cassandra was on a quest to discover what happened to her after the events of DAO (because they were lovers in my theory before DA2 played out). But instead we find Leliana helping to lead an investigation for the Chantry and again in DA:I. Some players are thrilled about seeing her again but I'm rather "meh" about her. Many are excited at Varric's return. I hadn't expected it but I'm game for it. I know some want him to be an LI since he wasn't before. I personally don't want that, though I'm not going to rage if he is. But if he isn't I don't foresee his fans throwing a tantrum over it. I don't see why anyone has to prove they know how to act like an adult, when - presumably - we all are over 18 (since DA is rated MA).

 

As for Cullen? I do wish to see him again. Even if he's just an NPC though I'd love him as a companion - LI or not - just because companions are usually more developed. I'd like to see how he's changed since DA2. DAO turned him from noble and idealistic young knight into a rabid mage hater I'd sadly have to put down. DA2 changed him again back more towards his previously moderate self. He's had a very human journey but we still know so little. He has merit in a mage/templar story and I wouldn't find it out of place to have him there. It's for these reasons that I think he'd make a good addition to the companions list. But that's me. I'd be more than happy to discuss my reasonings with anyone but essentially comparing Cullen fans to bratty kids or vapid girls is low.

[Aoba]

I don't usually get involved in things like this, but I wonder. With Varric's and Cassandra's inclusion in DAI, you don't see nearly as many people going, "Their inclusion is pandering to their fanbase!" As soon as anyone mentions the name Cullen, y'all come out of the woodwork with, "His inclusion is 100% pandering! There's no other reason for him to be in DAI than to appease his fans!" Seriously, some of you folk need to stop getting so bent out of shape over other folk liking what you don't like.

 

*sigh* Some days BSN makes me feel like I'm back in kindergarten.

 

[Blast from the past]

"You can't like that beach ball because I don't like it." *takes beach ball and stabs it with a crayon*

[/Blast from the past]

 

Future BSNers deflating dreams of children since 1985.

 

With that said, I say wait to hear more news about the guy and his possible inclusion before reaching for those crayo, ur, I mean torches.

[Mes]

I'm in that boat of people who didn't remember who Cullen was until reading about him on this forum.

 

I... would be very happy if he was a companion. Because... well I want a handsome, awesome male LI dangit! Thus far for us straight ladies we've got... Varric, a short hairy dwarf (attractive to some, though), a bald guy, and possibly an old guy. Where's my Alistair-esque man!

 

I don't usually get involved in things like this, but I wonder. With Varric's and Cassandra's inclusion in DAI, you don't see nearly as many people going, "Their inclusion is pandering to their fanbase!" As soon as anyone mentions the name Cullen, y'all come out of the woodwork with, "His inclusion is 100% pandering! There's no other reason for him to be in DAI than to appease his fans!" 

 

Ain't that the truth!!

[Lebanese Dude]

Sure why not. I don't understand why so many people dislike him though. He had some significant character development from origins to 2, for a secondary NPC of course.

It would be interesting to see how he's been since 2. I personally believe he'll be a major NPC rather than companion, but it would be cool if he was. He's kinda cute too so yea why not.

[Divine Justinia V]

Sure why not. I don't understand why so many people dislike him though. He had some significant character development from origins to 2, for a secondary NPC of course.

It would be interesting to see how he's been since 2. I personally believe he'll be a major NPC rather than companion, but it would be cool if he was. He's kinda cute too so yea why not.

 

For me, personally, it's not even that I dislike him. It's more so about how, as other have mentioned, we already have a repeat companion and although we've never had Cullen as a companion, I'd really like someone new. BioWare kind of has a thing for recurring party members and I feel like they're already using that slot up with Varric.

[Ispan]

I... would be very happy if he was a companion. Because... well I want a handsome, awesome male LI dangit! Thus far for us straight ladies we've got... Varric, a short hairy dwarf (attractive to some, though), a bald guy, and possibly an old guy. Where's my Alistair-esque man!

 

I'm so curious to see what the frostbite engine has done to him.  It could be very good  ... or not!

[TheEgoRaptor]

If I have the option to feed him to the first Dragon encounter, even if I don't get a new Spec, only then would I want him as a companion. 

[EmissaryofLies]

Here's what's really real.  If Cullen is in, so is the Hermit from Origins.

 

And so it shall be.

[Grieving Natashina]

Here's what David Gaider said about a month back or so:

 

http://social.biowar...dex/17834314/12

 

 

 

David Gaider wrote...

 

In my experience, the things we might put into a game solely to make fans (or a select group of fans, anyhow) happy tend to be pretty small in scope. Anything larger than that is going to require justification. At least someone on the team will need to believe that thing's inclusion has merit to the story or the game at large.

 

Fans like it when something they've been rooting for gets included in a title. When it's something they haven't been rooting for, but which others have, then it becomes "fan service" and a bad thing. In the case of Cullen, that gets laced with some extra venom because the fans who would be most excited about his inclusion (if, indeed, he's included in the way that some appear to assume) are both female and likely interested in romancing him.

 

And, for the love of God, why would we try to make them happy? To what new low has BioWare sank?

 

Try to maintain a bit of class, people. If something does get included that a group of fans would be excited for. no matter what the reason is, instead of being jealous try to be happy for them.

 

 

David Gaider wrote..

 

I'm referring to the perception of "people who want Cullen to appear."

 

It's like the threads that keep popping up about him. Just about every one starts with "oh god why are there all these threads where crazy fangirls are demanding he be in the next game?"

 

I don't know what they're referring to. There have been way more threads complaining about fans asking for Cullen than there have ever been threads asking for Cullen...and the threads asking for Cullen are generally the same sort of wistful "wouldn't it be nice if...?" discussions that come up about every other sort of thing that people talk about here in absence of real game info.

 

Quite frankly, if there ever was a group of fans who I (or anyone else on the DA team) would include something just to make them happy, I think we'd lean more towards the "polite but enthusiastic" than not. Just saying.

 

 

 

TristanHawke wrote..

 

Even if he didn't have a dedicated fan-base, I still think there are justifiable reasons for him to appear again (as a companion or not).

 

 

 

David Gaider wrote..

 

Not if you don't like him. If you don't like him then, even if you don't know what the story is, there's no justifiable reason for him to return. If he did, you

can already tell he would be boring no matter how he's written.  

 

This is why I stop paying attention to character discussions fairly early on. 

 

[sassyJacen]

Since I will be a mage, it would be interesting if he was a companion. And I want to know if he knows where  hawke is or why he let him go inDA2

[Eveangaline]

I'm up for him. Or really anyone who hasn't been a companion yet. Get to see people from new angles and whatnot, better than returning old companions I say.

 

Varric I will tolerate returning because god damn he's just such a great bro.

[renfrees]

I don't want him as a companion for a single reason (i actually rather liked him in the previous games):

in my opinion, every returning character in DA series makes the world smaller. It was justifiable in BG games because it was the same protagonist, it was justifiable in ME games because it was the same protagonist. But DA series takes a new protagonist for each installment, so why would old characters hang with completely new, unrelated person (unless they have a very strong reason to)? 

 

So, it makes for a question - is there nobody else than these guys, in all of Thedas? Really?

[Elanor]

I really like Cullen but I'm not sure about him as companion. If I have to choose I would like someone new and fresh instad of him. But if he is already a companion my opinion doesn't matter.