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We already saw magic tomes but i dunno if they will be used as weapons or just for spellcasting animations

Why I mentioned I wanted one, I think it will be more of an enemy thing but they still look pretty cool.

If its just for animations id still count it as a weapon or at least a tool, like bows and staffs.



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Why I mentioned I wanted one, I think it will be more of an enemy thing but they still look pretty cool.

If its just for animations id still count it as a weapon or at least a tool, like bows and staffs.

Bows and staffs are actually weapons though. A book is a book is a book. What are you going to do with it? smack people with it? better be a bigass book then.


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Bows and staffs are actually weapons though. A book is a book is a book. What are you going to do with it? smack people with it? better be a bigass book then.

haha I did say Giant book, giant is about the same size as bigass. You cant hit people with Staffs or Bows, they're pieces of wood(maybe with some decoration) at least books have some density.  Wood sucks compared to a well made book.



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haha I did say Giant book, giant is about the same size as bigass. You cant hit people with Staffs or Bows, they're pieces of wood(maybe with some decoration) at least books have some density.  Wood sucks compared to a well made book.

I invite you to research bojutsu before you say a staff can't be used to hit people. also a welsh longbow could have up to almost 200 lbs of draw strength. I a m pretty sure you could hit someone with it.



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I invite you to research bojutsu before you say a staff can't be used to hit people. also a welsh longbow could have up to almost 200 lbs of draw strength. I a m pretty sure you could hit someone with it.

Well its a little obvious that there is staffs(we have staffs in the real world and no magic that I know of) that can be used(only used) to hit people and as stand alone weapons but thats not Really how Mage staffs are used, I never tried equipping one to any non-mage character but I dont think that works the same...Technically you could just clonk anyone with almost anything.

Even the melee attacks dont use them like that, mages still use magic and archers use a knife. 

 

so yay book hitting. they should make Librarian a class. with no magic.



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Fire Emblem weapon triangle is the only thing i could think of lol 

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In a fantasy setting (that doesn't really attempt to do realistic combat, nor realistic weaponry) I don't really find the cultural angle to be particularly relevant to whether or not it's acceptable.

 

But it is important that weapons fit in the culture that uses them.

 

For example, why did vikings not use curved weapons?  Because they are not suited to close quarters combat, or even dismounted combat in general, this then informs many further aspects of norse culture, their armor designs were made to withstand the hacking of axes and stabbing of spears and swords, it also in turn influenced their mythology, the warrior spirit and culture they so famously had, even down to their jewelry, hammers were a popular motif in norse architecture and jewelry.

 

While there is nothing objectively wrong with saying "this is fantasy so lets put cool looking stuff in it" it detracts from the overall authenticity of the universe.

 

One game that handled this well was Skyrim, you can tell by looking at a weapon who made it, what it is used for, and where it came from.  A long and straight 2h sword is likely of Nordic origins, a curved scimitar is wielded by the Alik'r, a katana is the weapon of the Akaviri and their descendants the Blades, if something looks roman its probably Imperial.

 

Its getting these cultural notes, that weaponry is a part of, right that help build a fantastic world that is immersive and believable


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But it is important that weapons fit in the culture that uses them.

 

For example, why did vikings not use curved weapons?  Because they are not suited to close quarters combat, or even dismounted combat in general, this then informs many further aspects of norse culture, their armor designs were made to withstand the hacking of axes and stabbing of spears and swords, it also in turn influenced their mythology, the warrior spirit and culture they so famously had, even down to their jewelry, hammers were a popular motif in norse architecture and jewelry.

 

While there is nothing objectively wrong with saying "this is fantasy so lets put cool looking stuff in it" it detracts from the overall authenticity of the universe.

 

One game that handled this well was Skyrim, you can tell by looking at a weapon who made it, what it is used for, and where it came from.  A long and straight 2h sword is likely of Nordic origins, a curved scimitar is wielded by the Alik'r, a katana is the weapon of the Akaviri and their descendants the Blades, if something looks roman its probably Imperial.

 

Its getting these cultural notes, that weaponry is a part of, right that help build a fantastic world that is immersive and believable

becouse theyre biggest enemy wasnt armour(arabians, slavs) but shields(well most of them used metal blades attached to theyre gauntlet to kill someone, by hitting wim with up to five blades in his belly, when you are blocking his attack, vikings started to use shields when they invaded Britain), and you can not penetrate shield with sabre

do you think katana, sabre, long knife, scimitar is primarily throwing weapon or what did you meant with that?

horses are very rare in northern regions, even today and becouse there were no horses they didnt knew what horses are good for, even romans didnt knew horses they got them after they started to trade with nations on arabian peninsula

when greeks first saw men riding horse(they probably rided elks in that time) they though its one being, becouse they never saw them when they get off the horse(elk)

Alexander the great rided horse that was only about half metre bigger than donkey, so no big horses like in those movies

, so if norse wanted to ride horse he had to bring one with him from europe

 

first,no leather armor can withstand stike with heavy double bladed axe, or even theyre heavy sword

or do you think that if it can do this to shield

broken_shield_planked.jpg

it can not do anything to armor?

 

second,norses used spears very rarely

 

just ahh...

they used hammer becouse it was Thors mightiest weapon and all warriors prayed to Thor more than to Odin, if they werent from Loki cult, they used brain in combat instead of muscles,they use only one-edged swords, they relied on swift moves

F=m*a  a= acceleration  a=v/t v=velocity(speed) t=time  => E= 1/2 mv2

so as you can see swift blows are more efficient than weight of sword so they used tactics like if theyre were fighting with katana plus dirty fighting and fact that they traded with Varangians(Varangians prayed to Slav gods and are genetically Slavs, so they didnt had problem with them as other Skandinavians), so they didnt have to steal from anyone



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broken_shield_planked.jpg

 

Pictured: why I like playing with Nord gear in Mount and Blade: swiftly demolishing enemy shields with my axe.



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How about a spiked chain whip that, when spun rapidly above your head, allows you to hover several feet off the ground?

 

And some sort of arm-cannon.



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becouse theyre biggest enemy wasnt armour(arabians, slavs) but shields(well most of them used metal blades attached to theyre gauntlet to kill someone, by hitting wim with up to five blades in his belly, when you are blocking his attack, vikings started to use shields when they invaded Britain), and you can not penetrate shield with sabre

do you think katana, sabre, long knife, scimitar is primarily throwing weapon or what did you meant with that?

horses are very rare in northern regions, even today and becouse there were no horses they didnt knew what horses are good for, even romans didnt knew horses they got them after they started to trade with nations on arabian peninsula

when greeks first saw men riding horse(they probably rided elks in that time) they though its one being, becouse they never saw them when they get off the horse(elk)

Alexander the great rided horse that was only about half metre bigger than donkey, so no big horses like in those movies

, so if norse wanted to ride horse he had to bring one with him from europe

 

first,no leather armor can withstand stike with heavy double bladed axe, or even theyre heavy sword

or do you think that if it can do this to shield

broken_shield_planked.jpg

it can not do anything to armor?

 

second,norses used spears very rarely

 

just ahh...

they used hammer becouse it was Thors mightiest weapon and all warriors prayed to Thor more than to Odin, if they werent from Loki cult, they used brain in combat instead of muscles,they use only one-edged swords, they relied on swift moves

F=m*a  a= acceleration  a=v/t v=velocity(speed) t=time  => E= 1/2 mv2

so as you can see swift blows are more efficient than weight of sword so they used tactics like if theyre were fighting with katana plus dirty fighting and fact that they traded with Varangians(Varangians prayed to Slav gods and are genetically Slavs, so they didnt had problem with them as other Skandinavians), so they didnt have to steal from anyone

Jesus you can tear apart my word choice all you want, but chill out a bit

 

As for the rest of your post, I'm not even going to bother pointing out what is wrong with it, its clear that english is not your first language so I'm only sure we'd end up disagreeing



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I hope they keep with standard weapons and only have unique and rare if you find rare and unique craft items. Star Metal, dragon bone. multiple types of lyrium ore. Red Blue so it may add mana to a mage or speed to a warrior.


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lances were fairly stupid as they had a tendency to break after impact.

You may be thinking of tournament lances.  Those lances were designed to shatter if you struck your opponent squarely.  And you should also know that virtually nothing could stand against the Norman style couched lance charge.  Anna Komnena, who had no reason to love the Normans, said that their charge could have bored a hole in the walls of Constantinople (paraphrasing).  Later lancers, or light lancers, used a lighter lance.  This probably would have broken if one tried to use it for a proper charge.  Look up "tent pegging" on google or wikipedia and you'll get an idea of how those lancers were employed.  In a Norman-style charge, one maneuvers the heavies 'til they're in a good position and then they charge.  A few things can happen next: one, they break through the enemy line; two, the enemy routs; three, the charge is broken; four, the charge is marginally successful.  In all cases, the cavalry may opt to wheel round and try another charge.  This would give them a chance to replace any broken lances (that's what squires were for, in part).  In cases two, three, and four, battle is joined and a lance is an impediment.  They switch to swords.  Lances aren't useless, but they'd be pretty silly weapons for the Inquisitor and co.  They'd be especially silly as I've yet to see a single horse in all of Dragon Age.



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when greeks first saw men riding horse(they probably rided elks in that time) they though its one being, becouse they never saw them when they get off the horse(elk)

Alexander the great rided horse that was only about half metre bigger than donkey, so no big horses like in those movies

, so if norse wanted to ride horse he had to bring one with him from europe

 

first,no leather armor can withstand stike with heavy double bladed axe, or even theyre heavy sword

or do you think that if it can do this to shield

broken_shield_planked.jpg

it can not do anything to armor?

 

second,norses used spears very rarely

 

just ahh...

they used hammer becouse it was Thors mightiest weapon and all warriors prayed to Thor more than to Odin, if they werent from Loki cult, they used brain in combat instead of muscles,they use only one-edged swords, they relied on swift moves

F=m*a  a= acceleration  a=v/t v=velocity(speed) t=time  => E= 1/2 mv2

so as you can see swift blows are more efficient than weight of sword so they used tactics like if theyre were fighting with katana plus dirty fighting and fact that they traded with Varangians(Varangians prayed to Slav gods and are genetically Slavs, so they didnt had problem with them as other Skandinavians), so they didnt have to steal from anyone

I don't really know what you're talking about, but it's clear that you know very little about the ancient Greeks.  Greeks, as an entity that could even be recognized as such, have been riding horses longer than my language has been around, and at least 2000 years before the first written work in my language (that would be Beowulf).  I'll be bringing Beowulf back up in a moment.  It's clear that you've not studied the Greeks, because if you had, you would have studied Archaic Greek art.  And if you had studied that, you would know that the most famous pieces of this period are little bronze horse statuettes.  You are talking about centaurs, but I know of no evidence that they are even native greek mythology.  They could be, but they'd be so old that it would be difficult to call those folks anything more than proto-Greeks.

 

Re the Norse folks not using spears, I don't know who told you that, but that person was either lying or him/herself misinformed.  Scandinavia has a dearth of iron resources.  There's even a period in the history of Norse peoples where there were no new iron implements made, knives literally worn away into stubs by use and re-use.  Why, then, wouldn't they use spears?  They're less metal intensive than even axes are.  And, returning to Beowulf (I said we would), the first ten pages talks about the spears of the Thanes, like, seven times.  Everybody's using spears.  The border/beach patrol that meets Beowulf and crew are carrying spears, and they're alarmed by the glittering spears of Beowulf's men.  So, that's false.  Also, what's that shield made of?  Until we know about its construction, that pictures actually less than worthless.  And the Varangians...   This was a term used by the Greek speaking Romans (of the Eastern Roman Empire, aka the Byzantine Empire) to refer to Norsemen hired as imperial bodyguards.  It is true that at points in its history, the Varangian Guard was made up almost entirely of slavic people, but that seems to me to indicate more that the Byzantines viewed most other Europeans as "all the same" than that "the Varangians are genetically slavic".  It's a group that changes a lot over time, and there were no hard and fast racial rules to joining.  There were even some Britons in the Guard at one point.  The only constant is a pretension to the norse ferocity that impressed the empire to begin with.  They were brave, ferocious, courageous, and terrifying warriors and soldiers, loyal to death, but they were no more one particular racial group than the 69th Infantry Regiment is all Irishmen.


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Something like this would be cool.

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You may be thinking of tournament lances.  Those lances were designed to shatter if you struck your opponent squarely.  And you should also know that virtually nothing could stand against the Norman style couched lance charge.  Anna Komnena, who had no reason to love the Normans, said that their charge could have bored a hole in the walls of Constantinople (paraphrasing).  Later lancers, or light lancers, used a lighter lance.  This probably would have broken if one tried to use it for a proper charge.  Look up "tent pegging" on google or wikipedia and you'll get an idea of how those lancers were employed.  In a Norman-style charge, one maneuvers the heavies 'til they're in a good position and then they charge.  A few things can happen next: one, they break through the enemy line; two, the enemy routs; three, the charge is broken; four, the charge is marginally successful.  In all cases, the cavalry may opt to wheel round and try another charge.  This would give them a chance to replace any broken lances (that's what squires were for, in part).  In cases two, three, and four, battle is joined and a lance is an impediment.  They switch to swords.  Lances aren't useless, but they'd be pretty silly weapons for the Inquisitor and co.  They'd be especially silly as I've yet to see a single horse in all of Dragon Age.

There is footage of horses in the Game Informer preview videos. However I highly doubt there will be any mounted combat in DA Inquisition.



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Maybe some South Asian or African inspiration?

 

640px-Congolese_weapons_-_Higgins_Armory

 

 

98px-Indian_tabar-shishpar_4.jpg

 

 

292px-Mace%2C_Indo-Persia%2C_18th_or_19t



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Maybe some South Asian or African inspiration?

 

640px-Congolese_weapons_-_Higgins_Armory

 

 

98px-Indian_tabar-shishpar_4.jpg

 

 

292px-Mace%2C_Indo-Persia%2C_18th_or_19t

that last one is similar to a type a mace already in both DAO + DA2. the sword in the middle of that first pic seems similar to one of the concept arts of the grey warden character in DAI.



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Something like this would be cool.

KGNG3.png

no. this is not an asian inspired world.



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that last one is similar to a type a mace already in both DAO + DA2. 

 

The maces in DA are all one handed.  The perspective isn't good in that picture, but the spiky mace is two handed. (I think)



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You really shoot yourself in the foot by asking for access to bunches of weapons and then complaining about the hook on the basis of 'realism.'

 

There's an idea that a bunch of weapons existed in the middle ages or whatever, and they all had strengths and weaknesses. You might choose a broadsword or you might choose a rapier. They've both got their advantages.

 

The short answer is that although that makes for a fun game, no, weapons and technology did not work that way at all.



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Oh my, I feel like I walked into a Creative Assembly forum.

I love weapon variety, and I love when stories take aspects of various cultures and mashing them together. So weapons from different cultures being used in ferelden would be pretty cool to me.

I can't remember the name of the book but one series (had a wizard named pug) had a really interesting empire that took aspects of Japanese and middle eastern culture and mixed them together. Was fascinating.

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And you should also know that virtually nothing could stand against the Norman style couched lance charge.  Anna Komnena, who had no reason to love the Normans, said that their charge could have bored a hole in the walls of Constantinople (paraphrasing).


This would be the Anna Komnene who had a vested interest in building the Norman cavalry up as a worthy opponent so it would look awesome when the subject of her little panegyric, her father, defeated them by guile and combat. Right? :P
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no. this is not an asian inspired world.


Who said anything about it needing to come from an asian inspired culture? It's a sickle, on a chain. It's not that hard, especially with how common farming equipment such as scythes were back in those ages for harvesting wheat. Have the crows use them as a previously unmentioned tool of exotic assassination. Or maybe tal-vashoth farmers fashioning weapons out of their previous equipment.

Gotta think outside the box for this stuff man, not just box yourself into this tiny little hole.

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Rapiers, rapiers, RAPIERS, s'il vous plait. Andraste's sake, we're going to be hanging around Orlais anyway, so let me swashbuckle it up a little! ^_^


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