It appears that Alix Wilton Regan will be voicing the Elven femquisitor
Alix Wilton Regan@AlixWiltonRegan8m
“@bramblefae: @AlixWiltonRegan @bioware @dragonage That is correct. In my game, more accurately, you will be the Elven Femquisitor." YAY
I think you can choose whatever accent you want in the CC,but she's definitely voicing my elfquisitor!
I just love her voice a tad bit too much! 
Because although the % of gameplayers are relatively even, the type of games they play are not.
I think you can choose whatever accent you want in the CC,but she's definitely voicing my elfquisitor!
I just love her voice a tad bit too much!
That would be nice. I like to hear her voice when I play any of the races.
For that matter, what multi-part science-fiction western RPGs with fixed protagonists are there, to compare the sales numbers with and conclude ME3 underperformed..?Never mind the arbitrary measuring stick of comparing it to fixed protagonists.
Creative Director, Mike Laidlaw (formerly, Lead Developer) Surprised us once more, most deliciously for me that is 
. I had the opportunity to see the Female Inquisitor in action…Although her face was briefly shown in the demo. Regardless, I’m ecstatic because I finally get to see our female protagonist in action. Being a female gamer, this speaks volumes for me.
The female Qunari Inquisitor is just right. She is the right height; she is poised and she is deadly. She is regal and she is quietly fierce in her demeanor. I wouldn’t say her walk was exaggerated. It is done quite right, and she runs comfortably with no exaggerated hips movement. It’s simply natural. I have to thank Bioware for this. This is why I am such an ardent fan of Bioware. My voice as a female gamer fan does matter to them. A most sincere thanks for this, Bioware, Creative Director, Mike Laidlaw and Executive Producer, Mark Darrah.
Because your arguments thus far are focusing on data. My example is to point out that I think you're being too cavalier with the data that supports your position, and dismissive of anything that doesn't, and that data has more than meets the eye in its correlations. Never mind the arbitrary measuring stick of comparing it to fixed protagonists. The multitude of confounding variables in this comparison is staggering. I do not believe that Mass Effect would sell more with a fixed protagonist.
The reality is this: our game had a FemShep themed trailer, and by your own words ME3 was our best seller. It gives a compelling argument that the trailer didn't hurt the sales. It's a similar revelation we had with the inclusion of gay content. "Interesting.... it didn't seem to have an effect."
Because this thread is simply about some people saying "hey show me" and breaking down the convention that "if you do this, it's bad for the game."
As you say: "it made no difference." Maybe that means we can do stuff like this because it doesn't actually matter. Because at its core this thread is a group of fans that say "we'd really appreciate it." And I'm a pretty big supporter of fans going "Hey, I think this company is awesome" and the trickle effect it can have beyond the scope of standard marketing.
Well it's all theoretical since you need more data, like ME3's advertising budget vs other games etc. My belief if you advertise a strong concept and people flock around it. Now it might be true that the concept does not matter. But on the other hand, games that do well have a fairly standard message. Anything else I see as a risk, that's upto the individual publisher to take or not.
Until someone tries it , we just won't know. But I found the fact that ME3 had less people playing FShep, despite her being an advertised option vs not being an advertised option interesting.
That to me would suggest that your female targeted advertising either failed, or attracted people who would rather play MShep. If the goal was to increase the % of female gamers to ME3. That did not happen.
Yes, I really do believe that more women (and seniors) would be enjoying a lot more different kinds of games if the image created by marketing were more welcoming.
Chicken/Egg scenerio.
I believe that the gamers need to prove the games a viable market, rather than the other way around.
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I can't help being a little selfish. I'm happy as a gamer. I don't care about marketing. I know it matters, but in my own world, I don't care. As far as I'm concerned, I'm always entertained. Games and fun everywhere.
I also happen to be the most common gamer demographic. Male, in his 30s.
Until someone tries it , we just won't know. But I found the fact that ME3 had less people playing FShep, despite her being an advertised option vs not being an advertised option interesting.
That to me would suggest that your female targeted advertising either failed, or attracted people who would rather play MShep. If the goal was to increase the % of female gamers to ME3. That did not happen.
Or the FemShep advertising did bring more of those players in, but the rest of the advertising brought in even more folks who didn't want to play a FemShep. I can't offhand think of a good way to test this, although it'd be interesting to compare the players who joined with ME2 and the players who joined with ME3. I presume looking at that sort of thing is why Origin was set up to collect all that data.
Chicken/Egg scenerio.
I believe that the gamers need to prove the games a viable market, rather than the other way around.
So are you saying that people that feel excluded from games need to prove that their money is just as good as the people who are being advertised too? I really hope I'm misunderstanding what you meant.
So are you saying that people that feel excluded from games need to prove that they're money is just as good as the people who are being advertised too? I really hope I'm misunderstanding what you meant.
Not quite. People are claiming there is this huge untapped market of female gamers. In some cases they claim they are more numerous than male gamers.
But until that actually translates into spending, then I see no reason to change position.
Not quite. People are claiming there is this huge untapped market of female gamers. In some cases they claim they are more numerous than male gamers.
But until that actually translates into spending, then I see no reason to change position.
I admit I didn't read every single page of this thread but I don't recall seeing anyone saying that, it might be the way you worded what you were saying but it comes off as very standoffish like you are asking other groups to prove themselves before they are allowed to be marketed to which is very unfair.
Or the FemShep advertising did bring more of those players in, but the rest of the advertising brought in even more folks who didn't want to play a FemShep. I can't offhand think of a good way to test this, although it'd be interesting to compare the players who joined with ME2 and the players who joined with ME3. I presume looking at that sort of thing is why Origin was set up to collect all that data.
Well lets assume the goal of advertising Femshep was to bring in female gamers. Yet the results show that the % playing FemShep fell from ME2. It should be safe to conclude even though the sales went up the target advertising failed.
What stuck me was that not advertsing (ME2) led to more people playing as FemShep. Than advertising did, which is really counter intuative unless the advertising actually put people off her.
Well lets assume the goal of advertising Femshep was to bring in female gamers. Yet the results show that the % playing FemShep fell from ME2. It should be safe to conclude even though the sales went up the target advertising failed.
What stuck me was that not advertsing (ME2) led to more people playing as FemShep. Than advertising did, which is really counter intuative unless the advertising actually put people off her.
If Mass Effect 3 sold more, a percentage going down doesn't mean much until you correlate the percentages to the sales. And then, how do you count players that played through as both genders? Or does someones first playthrough only matter. Like, you're throwing this one random factoid out like its the holy grail and thats far from the truth.
Edit: Also, I just watched the female Qunari trailer and it was super super awesome. Thank you Bioware for showcasing her!!! (and I'm pretty sure Dorian spoke during the trailer too. Not really relevant to this thread, but it rocked all the same)
If Mass Effect 3 sold more, a percentage going down doesn't mean much until you correlate the percentages to the sales. And then, how do you count players that played through as both genders? Or does someones first playthrough only matter. Like, you're throwing this one random factoid out like its the holy grail and thats far from the truth.
Edit: Also, I just watched the female Qunari trailer and it was super super awesome. Thank you Bioware for showcasing her!!! (and I'm pretty sure Dorian spoke during the trailer too. Not really relevant to this thread, but it rocked all the same)
It does because it shows that the advertising was a failure. Femsheps advertising attracted more males than females to the game as a %. Playing as both would just cancel out.What did you think of the Femshep advertising ? Did it attract female gamers? Or was it a male fantasy?
That stat came from Bioware. I think I linked the source a few pages back.
Chicken/Egg scenerio.
I believe that the gamers need to prove the games a viable market, rather than the other way around.
It does because it shows that the advertising was a failure. Femsheps advertising attracted more males than females to the game as a %. Playing as both would just cancel out.What did you think of the Femshep advertising ? Did it attract female gamers? Or was it a male fantasy?
That stat came from Bioware. I think I linked the source a few pages back.
Yeah, but ...
I'm going to simplify this because I can't do math but...
50 people buy Mass Effect 2. That is the entire install base. They each play it once. 10 people play as femshep. So, 20% of the audience.
100 people buy Mass Effect 3. Thats the entire install base. They each play it once. 15 people play as femshep. So, 15% of the audience.
Your audience doubled, you got 150% of the femshep audience from the last game...but the percentage went down? The marketing still succeeded in that case.
(I'm pretty sure this math makes sense right. It's been a looong time 
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I don't know if it's been mentioned but the voice of the Femquisitior in that new demo sounded like it was the other female voice. I couldn't quite make out who it was or if I knew her but initially it sounded like it could have been Grey Delisle doing her The Old Republic Female Bounty Hunter voice. But after listening again, it might not be her.
Well lets assume the goal of advertising Femshep was to bring in female gamers. Yet the results show that the % playing FemShep fell from ME2. It should be safe to conclude even though the sales went up the target advertising failed.
What stuck me was that not advertsing (ME2) led to more people playing as FemShep. Than advertising did, which is really counter intuative unless the advertising actually put people off her.
The italed doesn't follow. Correlation is not causation, which I figure you must have learned at some point.
Again, the marketing containing FemShep wasn't the only advertising for the game. Other marketing, as well as various non-marketing factors, could have brought in more players who didn't want to play FemShep even if the FemShep-related marketing did its job.
Hypothetical: maybe ME3 really did manage to appeal to a bunch of the CoD crowd -- we used to talk about that being Bio's goal here -- and those guys broke heavily in favor of BroShep, so much so that the average for FemShep went down even though putting her in a trailer brought in more players who played her.
Right. They'll try to sell to me after I've already purchased.
Strangely enough, there are already quite a few women playing these games even though they are primarily marketed to a male audience. That in itself could offer a clue as to what might happen if they did actually make more overtures toward marketing to women.
But they did just that with ME3 and while the overall audience increased, the % of people playing Femshep decreased.
What's your opinion on ME3's advertising of Femshep? Did it work for you or not?
Got nothing more to add really, but I'd be interested in opinions on the FemShep advertising campaign.
What's your opinion on ME3's advertising of Femshep? Did it work for you or not?
Got nothing more to add really, but I'd be interested in opinions on the FemShep advertising campaign.
We need to ask this of people who joined with ME3 in particular. Players who joined the series earlier already knew about FemShep unless they were very stupid.
Thankyou! Bolded because I see this all the time and it annoys the hell out of me.The italed doesn't follow. Correlation is not causation, which I figure you must have learned at some point.
Again, the marketing containing FemShep wasn't the only advertising for the game. Other marketing, as well as various non-marketing factors, could have brought in more players who didn't want to play FemShep even if the FemShep-related marketing did its job.
But they did just that with ME3 and while the overall audience increased, the % of people playing Femshep decreased.
What's your opinion on ME3's advertising of Femshep? Did it work for you or not?
As others have pointed out, that particular factoid does not prove your case.
Had the franchise presented her from the beginning, I probably would have invested in it from the beginning. It wasn't until long after the release of ME2 that I found out you could play as female Shepard and engage in f/f romance - both of which are important to me. I've yet to play the series, but it seems to be working its way onto my to-do list XD.
I'm not trying to prove anything.If I could prove this stuff I'd be selling my services to the highest bidder.
Well you technically could not until ME3. Liara is not a female in the strict sense.
. It wasn't until long after the release of ME2 that I found out you could play as female Shepard and engage in f/f romance - both of which are important to me.
How did you find that out, anyway?
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