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[Bugsie]

Ha, I never thought about mirroring my rl scars, that could be kinda cool!

Yeah nug bite scars aren't gonna cut it!

[Tayah]

Yep I'd like to see scars for both genders too. Also tattoos, warpaint, makeup and a diverse range of hair styles and colours for both genders (even if I don't play males those that do should have access to the same content as women and vice versa). Also someone mentioned eye patches earlier in the thread and if that could be used in conjunction with scaring around an eye that could totally tell a story too of a past battle with a wolf, bear, or something else that inquisitor survived... Oh the ideas I'm getting from the suggestions above right now too.

 

I'd like to be able to combine things like scar and patch or tattoo and warpaint or any other combination too. I'm not sure what we'll actually get to play around with but it would be fun to have a lot of options... the more the merrier I think. 

[Char]

I also really want piercings. Why not have a PC with extravagant earrings or a nose piercing? Maybe a scar that infers where a piercing was ripped out during a fight

[naddaya]

I also really want piercings. Why not have a PC with extravagant earrings or a nose piercing? Maybe a scar that infers where a piercing was ripped out during a fight

 

I approve. I nearly got two ear cartilage piercings torn off. That stuff hurts like hell.

 

Anyway, bruises and scars on the PC's body would be cool too. It would require unique textures for player characters but hey, a girl can dream.

[Myusha123]

Did you know that according to results from save files they collected, that 82% or about played Male Shepard in the ME series? It's a bit understandable as to why they might not show as much considering this. 

[Trikormadenadon]

I can accept that, but that just doesn't make it any less unappealing to somebody who isn't interested in that sort of thing.

..... "this game is definitely not for me."

*Above quote edited by me to illuminate parts I am responding to*

 

Yes, this is pretty much exactly what I was trying to say in my post. The Witcher series is probably not a game series for you. You just worded it differently than I did.

[Trikormadenadon]

It's not the nudity, it's the objectification of women that's the problem. Every male character is different and has different skills and personalities. Every female character is there for the T&A (except Saskia but...yeah) and all the sorceresses blur together in a mass of cleavage and wacky hair. I like their branching plot and political maneuverings but I hope in future games they can branch out and make some female characters that are real and interesting people like the male characters.

I fundamentally disagree with this statement as a whole. Yes, most of the women in the game were eye candy at some point, however I feel it is a grave disservice to state that that was all they were. There was personality and back story to many of the women in both games and personally I think you are allowing your negative feeling about the stuff you don't like to overshadow the good things about the female characters. (You can't see the good that is there because you are focusing on the bad.)

[Lady Nuggins]

I fundamentally disagree with this statement as a whole. Yes, most of the women in the game were eye candy at some point, however I feel it is a grave disservice to state that that was all they were. There was personality and back story to many of the women in both games and personally I think you are allowing your negative feeling about the stuff you don't like to overshadow the good things about the female characters. (You can't see the good that is there because you are focusing on the bad.)

 

I think you're misunderstanding just how big of a negative objectification of women is.  You're making it sound like Nefla is simply choosing to feel negative about it.  It's not like a little annoying detail that we could easily ignore.  It's like a big flashing red light that makes it impossible to see anything else.  

 

You say it right in your post.  "Most of the women in the game were eye candy at some point."  That's a hard thing to look past when you are a woman and you are used to being reduced to eye candy in every single form of media.  You're not getting it: we identify with the women who are being stripped down and sexualized for the pleasure of the male player, rather than the protagonist who gets to stroll through the game collecting women like trading cards.  That is not enjoyable.  That is not fun.  That does overshadow any of the good things about the experience for us.

[Trikormadenadon]

And yet the MC has women throwing themselves at him left and right?  And he gets sex conquest trading cards for each woman he sleeps with?  That doesn't sound to me like it has anything to do with realism or a Medieval-esque setting.

 

I don't object to the existance of games like The Witcher, or people enjoying them, even if I find parts of it gross.  But you can't deny that this is clearly made to be a heterosexual male fantasy, in an industry that has no equivalent for women or gay men.  And you can't deny that there would be massive outcry if such a game existed for women or gay men.  If there were, say, a game about Amazonian women fighting each other for dominance and capturing/"rescuing" male sex slaves from villains.  Even though the protagonist is portrayed as a heroine who would never demean men like that herself, male characters somehow seem to wind up stripped down to a loincloth and oiled up whenever she's around.  Men might occasionally be in power in the game, but more often they get killed, kidnapped, and put into punishing and demeaning situations.  If anyone complained about this unbalanced treatment, the devs would shrug and say that that's how the Amazons worked.  Historical accuracy.  Deal with it.

This is true. If they made a game like that about Amazons I would be ok with it. I would love it for the same merits that I love the Witcher series. Hence why I defend the Witcher series from people who try to boil it down to the showing off of female nudity for the straight men. It has this yes, but that is not all it is about. And if a game about Amazons did the same to men because that's how it was in the book series it was based upon (just using the assumption it was based on a book series for the sake of this example because that is what the Witcher is) then I would have no issues with it and I would not turn away from it just because there is all kinds of nude male shots and no nude women. I play games for what they are. I don't try to read some underlying BS reasons and ulterior motives that more than likely are not even in the minds of the creators to begin with.

[Trikormadenadon]

I don't care whether he 'deserved' it or not.  The fact that his punishment is specifically sexualised (his genitals cut off and shoved into his mouth, which incidentally has an association with various punishments meted out to gay men in history) makes it extremely difficult to argue that it's not inherently homophobic in its intent.

Actually, the fact that this was actually done and historically accurate is exactly what makes it not have homophobic intent.

[lyrabelacqua]

*sigh* Can we STOP talking about The Witcher? I'm sick of this thread being derailed by people who seem to feel like defending that game is their sole purpose in life 

[Trikormadenadon]

Talking about the female Inquisitor often brings up wider female issues in other games (as well as media and.. well, the world ) in general. I agree we shouldn't go too off topic but inevitably we always bring ourselves back around to Bioware and how much we love them!! lol

Truer words were never spoken.

[Trikormadenadon]

I think you're misunderstanding just how big of a negative objectification of women is.  You're making it sound like Nefla is simply choosing to feel negative about it.  It's not like a little annoying detail that we could easily ignore.  It's like a big flashing red light that makes it impossible to see anything else.  

 

You say it right in your post.  "Most of the women in the game were eye candy at some point."  That's a hard thing to look past when you are a woman and you are used to being reduced to eye candy in every single form of media.  You're not getting it: we identify with the women who are being stripped down and sexualized for the pleasure of the male player, rather than the protagonist who gets to stroll through the game collecting women like trading cards.  That is not enjoyable.  That is not fun.  That does overshadow any of the good things about the experience for us.

Yes but you are allowing that to cloud your vision and making it so you cannot see the good there is in the game. There is more to the game than what you are focusing on is all I am trying to say. And as I said in another post, if there reverse was true, I would not just dismiss the game because they are objectifying men.

 

EDIT: If you can't look past it, or you don't like to see it, then as I have said before, and as you have said the game is not for you. But that does not mean there is anything wrong with the game. That being said I am not going to respond to any responses to this post because the thread is starting to get way off track and this is a good thread and I would hate to see it closed for not being DA related.

[Char]

Yes but you are allowing that to cloud your vision and making it so you cannot see the good there is in the game. There is more to the game than what you are focusing on is all I am trying to say. And as I said in another post, if there reverse was true, I would not just dismiss the game because they are objectifying men.

 

EDIT: If you can't look past it, or you don't like to see it, then as I have said before, and as you have said the game is not for you. But that does not mean there is anything wrong with the game. That being said I am not going to respond to any responses to this post because the thread is starting to get way off track and this is a good thread and I would hate to see it closed for not being DA related.

The fact that most of the women are portrayed in a way that objectifies them for the benefit of the PC is a problem. Not necessarily to you, but to people who want women treated like equally well-rounded, capable human beings. Just because you wouldn't dismiss a game that includes objectifying men doesn't mean that a game objectifying men wouldn't also be inherently wrong. So for those of us that would prefer to see both sexes treated with respect, there is something wrong with the game, and therefore it is not for us.

One reason I enjoy playing the DA series is that the women are generally shown as well-rounded characters with interests, hold positions of authority, and don't have to have a man present, or be interested in the protagonist in order to validate them. It's an experience that has really spoiled me for many other games I'm no longer prepared to accept inadequate portrayals of women from game designers because BioWare, among others, have made it clear that it is perfectly possible to do

 

EDIT: I am sure the female inquisitor will be able to be portrayed in a multitude of different ways, and be respected in their position. It's exciting to play as a female leader of an organisation (guess who noticed the mod post, but still an important point for me)

[Char]

So to bring this thread further back on to topic, our female Inquisitor will join a host of other female leaders in the DA series. The Divine, Meredith, Queen Anora, Empress Celene. I find it brilliant, and very intriguing that Thedas has so many women in power. In a sense, it probably is about an equal number to the men, but it feels like a large amount because it's so unusual. What kind of leader will your female inquisitor be? Do you think there will be any difference in reaction to a female vs a male inquisitor in ambient dialogue?

[Trikormadenadon]

The fact that most of the women are portrayed in a way that objectifies them for the benefit of the PC is a problem. Not necessarily to you, but to people who want women treated like equally well-rounded, capable human beings. Just because you wouldn't dismiss a game that includes objectifying men doesn't mean that a game objectifying men wouldn't also be inherently wrong. So for those of us that would prefer to see both sexes treated with respect, there is something wrong with the game, and therefore it is not for us.

One reason I enjoy playing the DA series is that the women are generally shown as well-rounded characters with interests, hold positions of authority, and don't have to have a man present, or be interested in the protagonist in order to validate them. It's an experience that has really spoiled me for many other games I'm no longer prepared to accept inadequate portrayals of women from game designers because BioWare, among others, have made it clear that it is perfectly possible to do

 

EDIT: I am sure the female inquisitor will be able to be portrayed in a multitude of different ways, and be respected in their position. It's exciting to play as a female leader of an organisation (guess who noticed the mod post, but still an important point for me)

I will respond to this post because it has elements that relate to DA.

I agree 100%. A game that does not objectify either sex is ideal as is evident in the DA series. It is fantastic that BioWare can write such well rounded and believable characters without falling into stereotypical tropes all the time. And yes, I think the female Inquisitor will be exactly how you imagine. But at the risk of sounding shallow....I can't wait to hear my female Inquisitor playthrough with Samantha Traynor's voice...yum yum.

[Nefla]

*abort post!*

[Trikormadenadon]

Difference of opinion, that's all.

*snip*

You can like whatever you like, but you can't deny The Witcher is sexist.

I do not deny this. I just don't think the game is bad just because it is. But let's drop this, we have already had a warning from the mods, lets not let this thread get closed. Please.

[Nefla]

Who do you guys think will be the North American voice for the lady inquisitor? I just hope it's not Jennifer Hale or Laura Bailey, I'm so sick of them >.<

[Trikormadenadon]

Who do you guys think will be the North American voice for the lady inquisitor? I just hope it's not Jennifer Hale or Laura Bailey, I'm so sick of them >.<

Damn, I remember another thread talking about this very thing and I can't find it. I don't think it was Jennifer Hale or Laura Bailey. Personally I love Jennifer Hale's voice, it's the main reason I played a female merc in TOR instead of a male one. I would not object to Jennifer Hale voicing femquiz NA even though she had a lot of studio time with femshep.

[Nefla]

Damn, I remember another thread talking about this very thing and I can't find it. I don't think it was Jennifer Hale or Laura Bailey. Personally I love Jennifer Hale's voice, it's the main reason I played a female merc in TOR instead of a male one. I would not object to Jennifer Hale voicing femquiz NA even though she had a lot of studio time with femshep.

Don't get me wrong, she's good it's just that she's in everything and she never changes her voice like Steve Blum or others. If either of them was the NA voice, I'd probably be using the British voice every time.

[themikefest]

Who do you guys think will be the North American voice for the lady inquisitor? I just hope it's not Jennifer Hale or Laura Bailey, I'm so sick of them >.<

It would be nice to have Betty White be the American voice. I know that will never happen, but it would be fun hearing her voice in the game.

 

 

As everyone knows, AWR is the voice for the female Inquisitor for English accent, so I thought I post this about her showreel from 2 years ago for folks who might be interested.

[jlb524]

Who do you guys think will be the North American voice for the lady inquisitor? I just hope it's not Jennifer Hale or Laura Bailey, I'm so sick of them >.<

 

IDK, but the Qunari Inquisitor didn't sound like either of them.

[Trikormadenadon]

*removed as i misunderstood the statement and was answering the wrong question*