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[DragonRacer]

This is exactly it.  And that is what objectification is.  Reducing a character to something that is there to be looked at, not somebody who is meant to be related to as a fellow human being.  Putting her in a costume that is sexy merely for the sake of being sexy, that most women would find uncomfortable, contributes to that.  And it can happen even to characters who are otherwise interesting and well-developed.

 

 

Poor Miranda.  I always wondered how she could move with that atomic wedgie, let alone with the camera mysteriously gravitating towards her behind at every opportunity. 

 

Yeah, I remember the first time this happened in ME2, and I actually busted out laughing SO HARD in real life.

 

Because I am a heterosexual female playing FemShep. And here was sudden, extreme-wedgie Miranda booty in my face. And I'm sitting there like, "Um, yeah, that was DEFINITELY not put in there to titillate me. Like, AT ALL. Wow, guys."

 

I made a drinking game of it. Every time we got an extreme Miranda booty shot/pan, down your drink. I had a lot of fun, drunk Mass Effect. 

 

 

True.

I wonder though, why they didn't show any dude ass tho?

 

This did happen. I was recently replaying ME3 with a FemShep who romanced Kaidan, then stayed "faithful" through ME2, and was rekindling the Kaidan romance in ME3. Then, after the "Cerberus tries to take over the Citadel" portion of the game, I was returning to the Normandy and there was Kaidan asking to be reinstated (or Ashley, if she was the Virmire Survivor). If you accept him back and are in a romance, he will turn to board the Normandy and you get a zoom-in of FemShep checking out dat booty.

 

Granted, I also acknowledge that may only be in there because of MaleShep checking out dat Ashley booty, but still... it was romance acknowledgement that involved a female ogling her boyfriend, and I fully supported that as being a nice, equal option.

[Blue Gloves]

But its c*mle toe! Why in the nine hells would a robot ever need that? Unless it's a sex bot on top of it, giving her breast okay I get that since robot made to look more human but why does it need a vagina too? Also I kind of disagree on Miranda too yes she was design to be perfect but it didn't make the constant a**shots okay or add anything to her and got old fast (for me at least)

 

 

 

Meh, the gratuitous ass shots were pretty silly, but honestly, pretty much everything about Jacob was equally gratuitous, I mean, there was even a video of him doing situps w/out a shirt on in the Shadowbroker's base.  As to EDI, well, I can see why it bothered you, and you're certainly entitled, it just didn't bother me, personally.  Probably a lot of that had to do w/ the fact I never saw the need to put her in that white outfit, and there was no evidence of, um, vag-ness(?) in her grey metal state.  Actually, I thought it was some silly fan-creation when I saw the pic posted on the forums the first time .

[Mes]

This did happen. I was recently replaying ME3 with a FemShep who romanced Kaidan, then stayed "faithful" through ME2, and was rekindling the Kaidan romance in ME3. Then, after the "Cerberus tries to take over the Citadel" portion of the game, I was returning to the Normandy and there was Kaidan asking to be reinstated (or Ashley, if she was the Virmire Survivor). If you accept him back and are in a romance, he will turn to board the Normandy and you get a zoom-in of FemShep checking out dat booty.

 

Granted, I also acknowledge that may only be in there because of MaleShep checking out dat Ashley booty, but still... it was romance acknowledgement that involved a female ogling her boyfriend, and I fully supported that as being a nice, equal option.

 

That was nice. I liked that it equalized the playing field a little bit. But it was just a drop in an otherwise ocean filled with male-gaze crap.

[Ryzaki]

True.

I wonder though, why they didn't show any dude ass tho?

 

You get some shots of Jacob's ass but his top heavy proportions inspired me laughter in me than oh yeah~

 

(and yeah I know people look like that still top heavy).

[oceanicsurvivor]

Meh, the gratuitous ass shots were pretty silly, but honestly, pretty much everything about Jacob was equally gratuitous, I mean, there was even a video of him doing situps w/out a shirt on in the Shadowbroker's base.  As to EDI, well, I can see why it bothered you, and you're certainly entitled, it just didn't bother me, personally.  Probably a lot of that had to do w/ the fact I never saw the need to put her in that white outfit, and there was no evidence of, um, vag-ness(?) in her grey metal state.  Actually, I thought it was some silly fan-creation when I saw the pic posted on the forums the first time .

 

I've officially accepted that I have no idea what any of you are talking about? And I am way to afraid to google it

[Mes]

I dunno Jacob as well as Veda really missed the mark with me. I know they both had macho muscly man shots... Was that meant to appeal to women?

 

I was really surprised to learn that Thane was created by women. I have a hard time imagining why an older guy who carries around detailed memories of his beloved wife and is terminally ill and has weird lizard eyes could appeal to anyone.......

 

It's interesting to kind of see what women find attractive versus what men or women THINK women find attractive.

[HuldraDancer]

Meh, the gratuitous ass shots were pretty silly, but honestly, pretty much everything about Jacob was equally gratuitous, I mean, there was even a video of him doing situps w/out a shirt on in the Shadowbroker's base.  As to EDI, well, I can see why it bothered you, and you're certainly entitled, it just didn't bother me, personally.  Probably a lot of that had to do w/ the fact I never saw the need to put her in that white outfit, and there was no evidence of, um, vag-ness(?) in her grey metal state.  Actually, I thought it was some silly fan-creation when I saw the pic posted on the forums the first time .

You're right it was done with Jacob too like how Kasumi talked about him like he was a thing which I didn't like either though the sit up video made me chuckle just wondering 'why is this even here?'. The different outfits do different things if I had known the catsuit was going to show me that I never would have put it on her plus its not attractive I really don't get the draw some people have for it its just *shudder* its like a guy wearing really tight pants where you can see his bugle in extreme detail not attractive

[HuldraDancer]

I've officially accepted that I have no idea what any of you are talking about? And I am way to afraid to google it

 

If you put EDI in either of the catsuits she has clearly visible c*mle toe.

[DragonRacer]

That was nice. I liked that it equalized the playing field a little bit. But it was just a drop in an otherwise ocean filled with male-gaze crap.

 

Oh, I totally agree. And I'm not saying for us to stop pushing for more representation or anything like that.

 

I'm just saying that, to me, it feels like BioWare is becoming more aware/progressive with it and making forward advances of that nature more and more with each game release. 

 

And they showed further growth of that with the female Inquisitor representation at E3.

 

So, I have high hopes for DA:I and all their future games. They are moving in the right direction, I feel. So, in that, I find some contentment for the present (even as we continue to press forward).

 

Also, totally agree with you on Thane. Oh, God, I'm glad to have FINALLY met one other female on this forum that did not fall all ga-ga eyed over him.

 

I have nothing against Thane. I just literally never felt one iota of physical/emotional/mental attraction to him, and it was NOT an "alien" thing because I bang the heck outta Garrus, just sayin'.

[oceanicsurvivor]

If you put EDI in either of the catsuits she has clearly visible c*mle toe.

 

No, thats the thing, I've never heard that phrase before in my life

 

You may not know this about me, but I live here:

[In Exile]

That was nice. I liked that it equalized the playing field a little bit. But it was just a drop in an otherwise ocean filled with male-gaze crap.

 

So what you're saying is we need more salmon ladder, arrow style?

 

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

Meh, the gratuitous ass shots were pretty silly, but honestly, pretty much everything about Jacob was equally gratuitous, I mean, there was even a video of him doing situps w/out a shirt on in the Shadowbroker's base.  As to EDI, well, I can see why it bothered you, and you're certainly entitled, it just didn't bother me, personally.  Probably a lot of that had to do w/ the fact I never saw the need to put her in that white outfit, and there was no evidence of, um, vag-ness(?) in her grey metal state.  Actually, I thought it was some silly fan-creation when I saw the pic posted on the forums the first time .

 

Yeah I've noticed Jacob's skintight suit and I even saw that video of him doing sit ups, it didn't bother me really. Neither did Thane's... revealing outfit.

 

Edit, I also didn't mind Vega's shirtless scenes and femsheps constant flirting with him in ME3

[HuldraDancer]

 

I was really surprised to learn that Thane was created by women. I have a hard time imagining why an older guy who carries around detailed memories of his beloved wife and is terminally ill and has weird lizard eyes could appeal to anyone.......

 

It's interesting to kind of see what women find attractive versus what men or women THINK women find attractive.

 

Also, totally agree with you on Thane. Oh, God, I'm glad to have FINALLY met one other female on this forum that did not fall all ga-ga eyed over him.

 

I have nothing against Thane. I just literally never felt one iota of physical/emotional/mental attraction to him, and it was NOT an "alien" thing because I bang the heck outta Garrus, just sayin'.

Can't speak for anyone else but I found Thane attractive for the same reason I first found Garrus attractive their voices   I am easily swayed by a voice I am attracted too.

[WildOrchid]

That's good to know. I never romanced Jacob or Kaidan so i didn't know there were butt shots.

 

 

The only good buttshot i remember was this

 

 

 

Sam's face is glorious here.

[Blue Gloves]

I dunno Jacob as well as Veda really missed the mark with me. I know they both had macho muscly man shots... Was that meant to appeal to women?

 

I was really surprised to learn that Thane was created by women. I have a hard time imagining why an older guy who carries around detailed memories of his beloved wife and is terminally ill and has weird lizard eyes could appeal to anyone.......

 

It's interesting to kind of see what women find attractive versus what men or women THINK women find attractive.

 

Oh, I dunno, Thane hit the mark with me.  He was smooth, dangerous, wounded, and had big puppy dog eyes.  Then again, Jack hit the mark w/ me too- reminded me a little of a girl I dated once when I was still in the army.  I'm probably not a great judge though, since I didn't really find Jacob all that interesting. Mostly because of his personality and the weird creeper vibe already mentioned above though. 

[Gwydden]

I dunno Jacob as well as Veda really missed the mark with me. I know they both had macho muscly man shots... Was that meant to appeal to women?

 

I was really surprised to learn that Thane was created by women. I have a hard time imagining why an older guy who carries around detailed memories of his beloved wife and is terminally ill and has weird lizard eyes could appeal to anyone.......

 

It's interesting to kind of see what women find attractive versus what men or women THINK women find attractive.

I wish I could draw so badly. Or at least, I wish I knew someone who was good at drawing and could make pictures of my characters based on my specifications. I have so many interesting mental images in my head, and no way to make them readily accessible for public assessment.

 

Sadly, a drunken snake's drawing skills handily beat mine.

[The Hierophant]

So what you're saying is we need more salmon ladder, arrow style?
 

Might as well have added the whole CW fall lineup.

[HuldraDancer]

No, thats the thing, I've never heard that phrase before in my life

 

You may not know this about me, but I live here:

Think of it as a frontal wedgie for women.

[DragonRacer]

Can't speak for anyone else but I found Thane attractive for the same reason I first found Garrus attractive their voices   I am easily swayed by a voice I am attracted too.

 

I chalk it up to different strokes for different folks. Because every time Thane talks, it makes me want to clear my throat. The watery synthesizer thing they used with him just... yeah, that was nails-on-a-chalkboard for me. 

[oceanicsurvivor]

That's good to know. I never romanced Jacob or Kaidan so i didn't know there were butt shots.

 

 

The only good buttshot i remember was this

 

 

 

Sam's face is glorious here.

 

See...I don't mind a butt shot like that, or like the one DragonRacer mentioned with Kaiden in ME3. One where its clearly the character who is directing the viewers gaze and revealing something about themselves. But Shepard can't see Mirandas butt in those conversations. Its not where his/her eyes are. Its just bluntly thrust at us, and its weird and not helpful or useful.

[Gwydden]

No, thats the thing, I've never heard that phrase before in my life

Urban dictionary is your friend.

 

Love it. Treasure it. Make it cookies.

 

ETA: I recommend you scroll down a little 

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

That's good to know. I never romanced Jacob or Kaidan so i didn't know there were butt shots.

 

 

The only good buttshot i remember was this

 

 

 

Sam's face is glorious here.

 

when did this take place?

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

See...I don't mind a butt shot like that, or like the one DragonRacer mentioned with Kaiden in ME3. One where its clearly the character who is directing the viewers gaze and revealing something about themselves. But Shepard can't see Mirandas butt in those conversations. Its not where his/her eyes are. Its just bluntly thrust at us, and its weird and not helpful or useful.

 

 

speak for yourself

[HuldraDancer]

I chalk it up to different strokes for different folks. Because every time Thane talks, it makes me want to clear my throat. The watery synthesizer thing they used with him just... yeah, that was nails-on-a-chalkboard for me. 

Well I have been told I've got weird to terrible tastes so I get if people don't agree with it 

[HuldraDancer]

speak for yourself

Other than something to stare at what does it do? Not much. So it's not a useful shot at all really. Some people like those shots I get it but you can't say it's a useful shot since it really isn't.