Well then
speak for yourself
I was. 
Specifically, the context I felt made for a good or useful butt shot doesn't apply to the ones repeatedly and rather creepily (IN MY OPINION) forced on Miranda reguardless of the gender or orientation of your Shepard.
If Garrus is dead, in that scene where he tells you to get some rest, Sam takes his place. But she only does that with fShepard, gazing at her butt that is.
This did happen. I was recently replaying ME3 with a FemShep who romanced Kaidan, then stayed "faithful" through ME2, and was rekindling the Kaidan romance in ME3. Then, after the "Cerberus tries to take over the Citadel" portion of the game, I was returning to the Normandy and there was Kaidan asking to be reinstated (or Ashley, if she was the Virmire Survivor). If you accept him back and are in a romance, he will turn to board the Normandy and you get a zoom-in of FemShep checking out dat booty.
Granted, I also acknowledge that may only be in there because of MaleShep checking out dat Ashley booty, but still... it was romance acknowledgement that involved a female ogling her boyfriend, and I fully supported that as being a nice, equal option.
So the sex appeal for dudes was unskippable and in the main game and sex appeal for women was found only if you're in a romance with that specific character? That sounds about right for Mass Effect.
I dunno Jacob as well as Veda really missed the mark with me. I know they both had macho muscly man shots... Was that meant to appeal to women?
I was really surprised to learn that Thane was created by women. I have a hard time imagining why an older guy who carries around detailed memories of his beloved wife and is terminally ill and has weird lizard eyes could appeal to anyone.......
It's interesting to kind of see what women find attractive versus what men or women THINK women find attractive.
Same. With Jacob and Vega, I wasn't interested at all. I liked the fake-flirting with James because to me it sounded more like Shepard was calling him on his bullshit and putting him in his place. It's playful and kind of a cute friendly relationship. But everything with Jacob? Eh, no. I don't think waving a bunch of muscles in my face and inappropriately hitting on people who clearly don't want to be hit on is going to do it for me. I never particularly saw Jacob as sexualized the way the female characters are either, but maybe that's because I was so put off by the game trying to convince me I should be into him that I generally avoided him.
Thane being written by a woman doesn't surprise me in the least, actually. He is a walking tragic hero trope. He is sensitive and deep, but cool and dangerous. He is solitary and frightening, but he lets Shepard in and shares his feelings with her almost immediately. He can kill a man in seconds, but he's vulnerable. Thane is 100% romance novel trash and I don't care. The first time he appeared on screen I turned to my roommate and said, "Oh no. Oh no I love him."
Well I have been told I've got weird to terrible tastes so I get if people don't agree with it
Nah- I liked their voices too, especially Thane's 
. Although, I too have been told that my tastes are... unconventional. I just prefer to think that great minds think alike Huldra- which clearly means that we are great! 
Thane being written by a woman doesn't surprise me in the least, actually. He is a walking tragic hero trope. He is sensitive and deep, but cool and dangerous. He is solitary and frightening, but he lets Shepard in and shares his feelings with her almost immediately. He can kill a man in seconds, but he's vulnerable. Thane is 100% romance novel trash and I don't care. The first time he appeared on screen I turned to my roommate and said, "Oh no. Oh no I love him."
Ah! So I've been doing it right. Well, more or less. Good to know 
Nah- I liked their voices too, especially Thane's
Agreed! Though there are some merits to what people say about my tastes at least like going gaga over Nathan Wallace from RTGO but its hard not to with such a sweet sweet voice like that 
I have a feeling I"ll be changing my mind a lot of my favorite LI based solely on the voice
I'm reminded of the thread in the ME 3 section where people were speculating on why Garrus was overwhelmingly the most popular male love interest. And the reasons people gave were overwhelmingly...to say the least, very poorly thought out.
Same. With Jacob and Vega, I wasn't interested at all. I liked the fake-flirting with James because to me it sounded more like Shepard was calling him on his bullshit and putting him in his place. It's playful and kind of a cute friendly relationship. But everything with Jacob? Eh, no. I don't think waving a bunch of muscles in my face and inappropriately hitting on people who clearly don't want to be hit on is going to do it for me. I never particularly saw Jacob as sexualized the way the female characters are either, but maybe that's because I was so put off by the game trying to convince me I should be into him that I generally avoided him.
About five sentences into that first conversation with Jacob on the Normandy on my first Femshep ME2 playthrough I was pretty much like "LOLNOPE" and just walked away.
Agreed!
I have a feeling I"ll be changing my mind a lot of my favorite LI based solely on the voice
LOL- the romances aren't my favorite parts of Bioware games, often I don't even do them til I've had a few playthroughs, but I must admit that Gideon Emery's bass had me drooling over Fenris (and Balthier, truth be told), and lets not even talk about Brian Bloom... we all know how I feel about Varric. Also, if Sera is voiced by Jennifer Hale, I may be in trouble.
About five sentences into that first conversation with Jacob on the Normandy on my first Femshep ME2 playthrough I was pretty much like "LOLNOPE" and just walked away.
Makes me wonder why the voice actress talked that way when speaking with Jacob after all Femshep didn't sound like a sex offender when talking to any of the other Male LIs just Jacob, it was both jarring and odd.
So let's bring it back to Dragon Age. While we're on the topic of makeovers, what are your guys' thoughts on what we've seen of Leliana and Morrigan? From the perspective of female representation, that is. I know lots of people have opinions on their hotness or lack thereof, but I want to talk about them more in the vein of what we've been discussing here.
So the sex appeal for dudes was unskippable and in the main game and sex appeal for women was found only if you're in a romance with that specific character? That sounds about right for Mass Effect.
'Sex appeal' works in very different ways between men and women.
LOL- the romances aren't my favorite parts of Bioware games, often I don't even do them til I've had a few playthroughs, but I must admit that Gideon Emery's bass had me drooling over Fenris (and Balthier, truth be told), and lets not even talk about Brian Bloom... we all know how I feel about Varric. Also, if Sera is voiced by Jennifer Hale, I may be in trouble.
Romances are part of my favorite thing of the Bioware games since my favorite part to them are the followers and the romances to me are just extra content for my followers so I like to try them all at least once after I get a good handle on the game. I almost never bother to learn the names of voice actors since I always end up calling them by the character they voiced that I grew attached too^^; But did really like Fenris's voice which confuses me as to why I never have finsihed his romance yet^^; Varric's also
So let's bring it back to Dragon Age. While we're on the topic of makeovers, what are your guys' thoughts on what we've seen of Leliana and Morrigan? From the perspective of female representation, that is. I know lots of people have opinions on their hotness or lack thereof, but I want to talk about them more in the vein of what we've been discussing here.
Aside from the bit of Morrigan's hair that's in her face driving me insane I like their looks so far they looked like they've aged and haven't stayed creepily young forever. Though I do think I like Leliana's look more than I do Morrigan's.
I'm reminded of the thread in the ME 3 section where people were speculating on why Garrus was overwhelmingly the most popular male love interest. And the reasons people gave were overwhelmingly...to say the least, very poorly thought out.
LOL- I can only imagine. A freind of mine writes fanfic, and I was trolling through some of her favorite stories once... Wow. Just... wow.
'Sex appeal' works in very different ways between men and women.
I am most aware of that, but "different" doesn't mean "in your face and unavoidable" for men and "hidden behind multiple gateways of choices" for women. It's clear that Miranda's ass is there for the sake of straight male players, while no equivalent really exists in the main game for straight female or gay male gamers (nor, I imagine, lesbian ones, as I'm attracted to women and still put off by Miranda's ass-shots).
So let's bring it back to Dragon Age. While we're on the topic of makeovers, what are your guys' thoughts on what we've seen of Leliana and Morrigan? From the perspective of female representation, that is. I know lots of people have opinions on their hotness or lack thereof, but I want to talk about them more in the vein of what we've been discussing here.
I like morrigan's design in DAI, mainly her hair. I haven't seen that much of her though, can someone post some pics?
Leliana is decent I guess, don't see much of a different between her DAO and DAI design
So let's bring it back to Dragon Age. While we're on the topic of makeovers, what are your guys' thoughts on what we've seen of Leliana and Morrigan? From the perspective of female representation, that is. I know lots of people have opinions on their hotness or lack thereof, but I want to talk about them more in the vein of what we've been discussing here.
I think they both look stunning. Beyond that, I think that Morrigan's new look really suits her personality. If I had to describe it in one word, it's say it's sharp. She's a more elegant, mature version of her younger self.
On the other hand, I'd say Leliana looks sad, now. Her face is also more gaunt than her old model. It might be the engine switch, but I like to think it's the wear of the years on her face.
So let's bring it back to Dragon Age. While we're on the topic of makeovers, what are your guys' thoughts on what we've seen of Leliana and Morrigan? From the perspective of female representation, that is. I know lots of people have opinions on their hotness or lack thereof, but I want to talk about them more in the vein of what we've been discussing here.
Well, I think representation wise, they're fine- no Ashley Williams-ing or anything 
. As to their newer looks, I am... unsure. Mostly I just think that they made Morrigan look more like Claudia Black, which I have no real opinion on, one way or the other, and they made Leliana look slightly more tanned, maybe with smaller eyes? Not really sure.
I like morrigan's design in DAI, mainly her hair. I haven't seen that much of her though, can someone post some pics?
Leliana is decent I guess, don't see much of a different between her DAO and DAI design
These are shots of the two characters:
That's not really the point. You're kinda arguing that male players can get 'booty shots,' so female players should be able to get booty shots. Are you sure female players care about or want booty shots in the first place?
This is really not a good example to begin with. I really don't particularly care about the single 'booty shot,' but there are examples throughout the series of female sexuality that don't have a male counterpart. And I approve of them. I approve of the double standard.
Let's remember, that, as I said, the overwhelmingly most popular male love interest is Garrus. Who is never seen without being armored or covered from head to toe. For that matter, Liara and Tali, who are completely covered, are the most popular female love interests.
So let's bring it back to Dragon Age. While we're on the topic of makeovers, what are your guys' thoughts on what we've seen of Leliana and Morrigan? From the perspective of female representation, that is. I know lots of people have opinions on their hotness or lack thereof, but I want to talk about them more in the vein of what we've been discussing here.
I'm glad Morrigan's signature look is still there. (Shes to the left of the dude in the Lion Mask in the trailer). More then anything it just feels like Bioware finally has the resources to craft the world and characters as they always envisioned it, without technical limitations. So I'm very curious to see what changes as a result.
I'm reminded of the thread in the ME 3 section where people were speculating on why Garrus was overwhelmingly the most popular male love interest. And the reasons people gave were overwhelmingly...to say the least, very poorly thought out.
From what I hear his appeal seems to be that he's always on Shepard's side (none of that painful Kaidan-like stuff in ME2), he's got a sexy voice, and his romance in general is very sweet. 
So let's bring it back to Dragon Age. While we're on the topic of makeovers, what are your guys' thoughts on what we've seen of Leliana and Morrigan? From the perspective of female representation, that is. I know lots of people have opinions on their hotness or lack thereof, but I want to talk about them more in the vein of what we've been discussing here.
I like Morrigan, and I like Lelianna though I never in a million years would have recognized her if people hadn't pointed her out. I think she looks incredibly different.
That's not really the point. You're kinda arguing that male players can get 'booty shots,' so female players should be able to get booty shots. Are you sure female players care about or want booty shots in the first place?
You... realize most women like sex just like men do, and sexy bodies, and... I mean... right? Well this is awkward!
I don't wear alot of jewelry, but... I kinda want Morrigan's necklace 
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