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[Tayah]

Cool, I thought I knew the name but we only saw a handful of episodes of Gargoyles and really enjoyed them and yes now that I know who you're talking about I remember liking her too. Oh so many shows to look back on fondly.

 

Now it's going to be interesting to see how close you can get your fem quizzies to their inspirations. Good luck with that. 

 

For me I'm thinking I might make a character that's a cross between Rogue and Storm somewhere along the way but not sure yet what race... probably a mage though. I'm looking forward to October even more now. 

[Karach_Blade]

Elisa Maza will be a massive inspiration point for my first rogue human female playthrough. 

[Nefla]

I'm pretty sure this came up earlier but I don't remember the details and big thread is big...

 

How do we reconcile competing desires for how a character is represented in game, particularly physically.  Some are happy that the woman Qunari is not really sexualized (I think that's pretty sweet too).  Perhaps it's my ignorance speaking, but part of me think there's a fine line between making something attractive, and making them unreasonably sexualized.  Especially if we're working within the confines of fixed body types (lets stick within this constraint please, since it's the current reality for Dragon Age haha).

 

That said, I know there are some that are still hoping the characters are distinctly feminine and that some of these people are still women gamers

This sounds like an excuse to draw pictures

 

I have no problem with other people making all their characters as girly or sexy as they want, no matter the class, but for mine I like to make it more practical based on class and personality. (same for the NPCs) For instance I don't want my warriors of either gender showing skin unless they're from a culture/tribe (and in an appropriate climate) where people don't wear armor and possibly go around in loincloths or something. For a case like that I just want consistency. If the PC or NPC is the only one wearing that then it feels tacked on and I wont like it. I feel like rogues can wear very little armor (or even none) and be fine depending on their combat role. More light armor for front line fighters and less for those who sneak or archers.

 

For mages I pretty much feel like anything goes as far as clothing (and would even find it weird and unappealing if a non arcane warrior mage was wearing armor) since they have spells to protect them and are farther from the fighting. As far as making female characters pretty, that's totally fine, although I don't want all of them to be pretty (good luck with that in a video game though  ) I want female characters who are designed primarily to give them uniqueness and personality rather than just be pretty. You focus on pretty too much and all the female characters end up looking the same just with different decoration (hair/clothes/coloring). Play it too safe and with too much of a focus on making them pretty and you end up with this problem http://turbomun.tumb...d-other-stories

 

Here are some sketches of what I mean as far as armor types for classes (as well as differing faces)

Spoiler

[aTigerslunch]

I love rogue, she's my favorite x men member next to wolverine. The other is X-23 and Phoenix. The fiery bird is awesome.

I dont know if I could copy rogue into being inquisitor. Yikes, that would push me to at least four different female characters and only two males so far.

[Mes]

This sounds like an excuse to draw pictures

 

I have no problem with other people making all their characters as girly or sexy as they want, no matter the class, but for mine I like to make it more practical based on class and personality. (same for the NPCs) For instance I don't want my warriors of either gender showing skin unless they're from a culture/tribe (and in an appropriate climate) where people don't wear armor and possibly go around in loincloths or something. For a case like that I just want consistency. If the PC or NPC is the only one wearing that then it feels tacked on and I wont like it. I feel like rogues can wear very little armor (or even none) and be fine depending on their combat role. More light armor for front line fighters and less for those who sneak or archers.

 

For mages I pretty much feel like anything goes as far as clothing (and would even find it weird and unappealing if a non arcane warrior mage was wearing armor) since they have spells to protect them and are farther from the fighting. As far as making female characters pretty, that's totally fine, although I don't want all of them to be pretty (good luck with that in a video game though  ) I want female characters who are designed primarily to give them uniqueness and personality rather than just be pretty. You focus on pretty too much and all the female characters end up looking the same just with different decoration (hair/clothes/coloring). Play it too safe and with too much of a focus on making them pretty and you end up with this problem http://turbomun.tumb...d-other-stories

 

Here are some sketches of what I mean as far as armor types for classes (as well as differing faces)

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Those sketches are gorgeous!! 

 

I actually love the idea of wearing regular armor as a mage. First off a mage's protection spells might not last long enough, or be powerful enough (at least in the beginning), and secondly it's just nice to have a change from those typical robe-type clothes.

 

Though it looks like Inquisition is going to have some sweet outfits for mages. *vibrates with excitement*

[Nefla]

Those sketches are gorgeous!! 

 

I actually love the idea of wearing regular armor as a mage. First off a mage's protection spells might not last long enough, or be powerful enough (at least in the beginning), and secondly it's just nice to have a change from those typical robe-type clothes.

 

Though it looks like Inquisition is going to have some sweet outfits for mages. *vibrates with excitement*

Thank you

 

With dragon age for some reason I really like to dress my characters distinctly for their class, in SWtOR it's the opposite, I sometimes like to be as confusing as possible and every other time I just wear whatever the heck I want

 

ex: my republic trooper (heavy armor wearing brick wall)

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[raziel1980]

Okay, so for my first non-character show off thread post in this new forum. I decided I would answer this...

 

Right so as per Allan's request, let's bring it back to the lady Inquisitor!

 

Here's something I'm curious about. For women who will roll a lady Inquisitor, will you try to make her look as similar to you as possible, or the complete opposite? I think oddly when I was younger I was more keen on making my characters as different as can be... pink hair, tattoos, the works (I'm referring to DAO's Warden... that was a while back, now!). But now I'm more interesting in creating a character who resembles me more. I wonder if it's an age thing. Not sure!

 

And for the guys... When you play the opposite gender, do you try to make her look as attractive as you can, or like a female version of yourself, etc etc?

 

Well, for me as male, I will probadly roll the femquisitor as my second playthrough. Not sure on the race,class, or even the LI yet but the name will most likely be Allison for female human( though not sure if I will play that first since my first character will be Male withe name Raziel( same as my canon male-warden n male-Hawke). Yes, I will make her attractive...atleast as attractive as I think my Hawke's and fem-wardens look but beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. One thing I can say is she probadly have red hair n green eyes( a combo that gets me everytime) or the amazing black hair,hair blue eyes combo( which would be closer to my femshep's appearance.

 

edit: Most Likely, i will use AWR's voice atleast til i hear/find out who the american voice atress is femquis( and whom BOTH VAs are for male-quis).

[Momiji.mii]

Sadly I've noticed a trend in Heroes of Dragon Age, wherein most women gradually more "sexed up" as she advances to Tier IV.  Bethany suddenly has cleavage, etc.  I still play and enjoy it, but I am annoyed that women mages have to wear revealing clothing, and Isabella is designed to show off her blocky pixellated cleavage to best effect (she's at JUST the right angle).

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one annoyed with HoDA in this aspect. Male characters gain more armour and clothes as they tier up (like the otherwise shirtless Qunari and tal-vashoth), whereas a lot of female characters lose their pants, sleeves and gain boob windows. Grey warden Bethany is especially grating; if there's anywhere you'd like to be fully covered, it'd be in the deep roads I'd presume. Competely senseless lore-wise and character-wise. Not to mention that the Grey Warden Mage armour is one of the best looking armours in the game for a mage. 

 

--- 

 

Back on-topic: I'm currently planning on playing as a female Inquisitor for my 2nd playthrough. I just hope that Bioware doesn't stop looking at the statistics after a while, because if this game is as huge as it looks, it could take quite some time until I finally get to my 2nd playthrough, since I'm planning on taking extra courses at school this fall. I'm not even sure I'll have time for gaming! ^^;; 

[Eralrik]

Traditionally Dwarven females were hairier than the males and had full beards and walked around Naked, Thankfully the dwarven females in Dragon Age look a site prettier though I'm not certain the Dwarven men folk would agree, hehe.

 

If we went back to the 1950's the way woman were dressed and some of the movies of that time they sure didn't show a lot of skin, which being old style I wish the lady's in Dragon Age would show a bit less skin and more common sense when wearing Armor. Though Isabella's look fits though how she keeps the men on her Ship from mutinying on her and bum rushing her wearing skimpy clothes is beyond me,

 

What I'm really curious about is do woman warriors stand outside a blacksmiths, while the blacksmith measure's her breasts to get the Armor chest piece to properly show her Breast size and wondering what the crowds of people gathering to watch this are thinking.

[Bugsie]

Nefla, your dwarf and your fem qunari - exactly as I imagined my own qun warrior to be!

I agree Allan, I think it's a fine line and for me, totally dependent on the role I'm playing. And as with Nefla is usually based on the class I play. My warriors tend to be stoic, with a lame sense of humour, my mages wise to the point of being a bit stiff and inflexible, my rogues mischievous and fun. I'd expect them to dress aligned with that class, warriors heavy armour, rogues lightly armoured and mages more decoratively dressed (I loved the different and decorative outfits that you could dress Wynne in for example). Personally I like more elegant outfits without overt sexuality expressed (nothing wrong with others doing that or NPC's but it's not my preference)

I'm just recalling my female hero (in Fable 2) wearing hotpants though, but that was more for the hilarity than expressing anything sexual.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Though Isabella's look fits though how she keeps the men on her Ship from mutinying on her and bum rushing her wearing skimpy clothes is beyond me,

 

Short skirts and corsets are not the cause of rape. Rapists who decide to rape people are the cause of rape.

 

I guess Isabela's crew are able to show respect for her person no matter what she's wearing. You know, like functional adults.

[naddaya]

Short skirts and corsets are not the cause of rape. Rapists who decide to rape people are the cause of rape.

 

I guess Isabela's crew are able to show respect for her person no matter what she's wearing. You know, like functional adults.

 

Rape was extremely common in the middle ages, and women in charge were rare and not taken seriously. DA's general ideals seem to be close to modern times though.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Short skirts and corsets are not the cause of rape. Rapists who decide to rape people are the cause of rape.
 
I guess Isabela's crew are able to show respect for her person no matter what she's wearing. You know, like functional adults.

Is f**ked up that certain people think that if a woman wears revealing clothes then she should get some blame if she's raped

[mopotter]

That is a difficult topic to address since the reality is that we don't have a really good base to start from.  I think that, for me, showcasing a female protagonist with a classically beautiful or "cute" face who is considered conventionally attractive is fine- I mean, there's a reason that most media stars are attractive, we are a visual species, and appreciating beauty is normal.  What bothers me is the disparity that often crops up in the clothing department. I, personally, don't take issue with "pretty" females in games.  However, I find it demeaning when the men in a game are "realistically" (yes, its fantasy, and therefor not as realistic as actual armor no matter what) clothed, armored, or covered up, but the women manage to get through combat in the much reviled battle bikini, with makeup intact, heels clicking, flowing hair flying, and lips pouting.  At that point, it becomes hard to believe that the women are there to be heroes and not just pretty objects to stare at while a game is being played.

 

I think this article is a good read- though I don't agree with all of it and am skeptical about a few of the sources used, I think it's salient to the discussion.

Nice.  

 

Agree, I think it's hard, one person's attractive is another's ick, you can see that on the threads here about the different NPCs. I've liked all of them so far, but I'm more interested in their story and personality than details of how they look, light hair vs dark hair type stuff.  

 

For my character I don't aim for beauty but I also don't aim for a look only a mother could love.  I hope the default image they show is nice and I'm looking forward to seeing what they show, but really I'd rather see something about the creation of that look.   On my character what I want them to wear depends on what kind of character I'm playing so I do want a variety of options, especially in a game like this. I like alot of the options in Skyrim, though I downloaded a mod to give my leather armor pants.   And makeup, i don't wear any make up,  but my makeup on characters are permanent tattoos  ,  Fighting in heels however, that drives me crazy. I tend to trip when I'm wearing flats and my favorite spy Emma Peel did not wear heals back in the 60's, maybe because she was tall, but doesn't matter, she wore flats or once in awhile a chunky heal,  sorry sidetracked.

 

I do get aggravated with too many NPC's who are dressed up in scanty or extremely spandex outfits and the guys aren't.   I can't really think of characters in DA games that bothered me.  Isabella didn't bother me because it fit her personality.   ME however made up for that. More than one outfit that was so impractical I often left them on the ship, especially if we went to a planet with freezing or hazardous atmosphere.  

 

I think until more women get into the game design business, or developers admit that we do buy games and are as important as the kids who are going through puberty, we just have to keep doing what we are doing here.  I really do hope by the time my granddaughter starts playing there will be more game developers like BioWare.  I think they usually do a pretty good job. All of my characters have been intelligent, capable and occasionally very funny.  And, even Jack finally got a jacket, no armor so she still stayed on the ship a lot, but a start.   

[aTigerslunch]

Rape was extremely common in the middle ages, and women in charge were rare and not taken seriously. DA's general ideals seem to be close to modern times though.

 

http://wiki.answers....edieval_times# 

 

Stated crimes cost 3 years worth of wages as one of the punishments, other times killing.

 

http://womenshistory...n_rulers.htm   

 

There was plenty taken seriously, and there was more than could been listed in this post. Albeit, a lot were married, but quite a bit still taken seriously.

 

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_rape

 

This is where it would of been common as you mentioned.

 

Women shouldn't get told its their responsibility due to their outfits. It's the mens responsibilities to control themselves. Depictions of women in scantily dressed outfits can be alright in games to an extent, if its a choice, and the player wanted it that way. As well as female body shapes, should be able to be a choice, this way its upon them how they want to look.

 

Going to edit here on response with mopotter:

There are quite a few already, and some of them in the design still for some reason negate women, Ubisoft's AC: Unity is prime example that is current. Not sure why they cant. It looks like it would be fun, especially if they did. If the female barbarian is half nakie, then the male should be equal in respect, any should be balanced with the genders in that regards.

Modifié par aTigerslunch, 06 juillet 2014 - 01:19 .

[naddaya]

http://wiki.answers....edieval_times# 

 

Stated crimes cost 3 years worth of wages as one of the punishments, other times killing.

 

http://womenshistory...n_rulers.htm   

 

There was plenty taken seriously, and there was more than could been listed in this post. 

 

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_rape

 

This is where it would of been common as you mentioned.

 

Most of these were noblewomen, I doubt there were many female sea captains, female officers and the like. Raping a noble woman would likely have more repercussions than raping a commoner. I thought the punishments for rape were less severe though, that was an interesting read.

[aTigerslunch]

Most of these were noblewomen, I doubt there were many female sea captains, female officers and the like. Raping a noble woman would likely have more repercussions than raping a commoner. I thought the punishments for rape were less severe though, that was an interesting read.

 

That might be a seperate look to find. I did edit part of my post Stating several of those women were married, few seemed to had control before marriage, at least one I read had equal ruling. I didnt read them all.

[mopotter]

Additionally, I appreciate that women have the option of applying makeup or not applying any. I have seen some very nicely done Shepards, Wardens, and Hawkes.

 

But I've always appreciated that I could just sliiiiide that bar over to nothing/natural. Because, again, my tomboy self despises makeup. I think that may be equal parts how I naturally am combined with the fact that my mother insisted I wear makeup because "it makes you even prettier". I hated that. It gave me the message that, without makeup, I was somehow a lesser woman, that I was not as attractive as I could be if I only gave in and made myself a girly girl. And I thought I was just fine as myself. And I live in Florida, it is crazy stupid hot most of the year. For someone who is active and likes to be outside, makeup is 100% pointless because you sweat it right back off again.

 

And yet, that's drilled into me so much that I still apply a small bit of makeup for work everyday. Both from how she raised me and because that's what's expected of women in the professional world. But Lord knows the first thing I do when I get home is wash it off, and I never apply it on the weekends or for any other type of outing.

 

So, it's nice I can personalize my PC with a very practical look, no makeup and hair tied back in a ponytail so it doesn't block her view of combat.

Tomboys united.  Christmas, my aunts would give my male cousins toy guns, I'd get a mirror and comb set.  Lucky my mom and dad understood, though mom did go through the phase of trying to get me to wear frills.  She gave up.  And my grandmother didn't say anything when she heard me climbing out the 2nd floor window when I was being a spy. 

 

 I've always liked the idea of makeup, but I hate wearing it. I have an oily face and no matter what makeup I try it just feels icky after a few hours.  I think I wore it in high school and in my 20's then went to just a touch and then in my 30's only wore it occasionally then stopped completely.  Had a student asked if I was a nun because I worked in an office at a Catholic University and didn't wear makeup.      

 

I love the idea that my characters can be varied.  Some have the natural look and one was sort of gothic in her choice of makeup. My husband says I spend more time developing my character than I do playing the game.  Not true, though I've been known to make a character, start playing and trying again because in game she did not look right.

[aTigerslunch]

http://en.wikipedia...._female_pirates

 

http://www.marinersm...eline/index.htm

 

Uh.... not expected a big list of these.... I'm a little surprised myself.

[themikefest]

I've asked this question a few times on other threads and got no definite answer. So maybe you folks on this thread might have an answer.

 

As we know the human femquisitor's last name is Trevelyan. My question is, does the name apply to a mage, warrior and rogue? I only ask since in DAO, a human mage has a different last name from a warrior and rogue.

 

I guess if the name was to be different like in DAO, Bioware would've announced the name when all the other names were released. So I basically answered my own question.

[aTigerslunch]

I wasnt aware of all the names being released.     Maybe I should go hunt them down.

[naddaya]

Tomboys united.  Christmas, my aunts would give my male cousins toy guns, I'd get a mirror and comb set.  Lucky my mom and dad understood, though mom did go through the phase of trying to get me to wear frills.  She gave up.  And my grandmother didn't say anything when she heard me climbing out the 2nd floor window when I was being a spy. 

 

 I've always liked the idea of makeup, but I hate wearing it. I have an oily face and no matter what makeup I try it just feels icky after a few hours.  I think I wore it in high school and in my 20's then went to just a touch and then in my 30's only wore it occasionally then stopped completely.  Had a student asked if I was a nun because I worked in an office at a Catholic University and didn't wear makeup.      

 

I love the idea that my characters can be varied.  Some have the natural look and one was sort of gothic in her choice of makeup. My husband says I spend more time developing my character than I do playing the game.  Not true, though I've been known to make a character, start playing and trying again because in game she did not look right.

 

Same here. I think I restarted ME3 a dozen times to get Shepard's face right.

 

As for make up and stuff, I wore a lot during my early teens. I was slightly ocd and just had to be perfect. I stopped altogether when I got 17-18 and cut my hair. I was playing a lot of sports, didn't want my hair to get in the way. The outrage The following year I got angry and restless, I had to be busy all the time. I started eating a lot and training every day, lifting and sparring. I put on 35 lbs in less than a year. People (lots of schoolmates and my father) freaked out because "I wasn't feminine anymore", "I was ruining myself", "Muscle is unnatural on girls" and the like. I didn't take any gear and found the "unnatural" part quite funny. Now that I'm 21 I've got longer hair, that's about the difference.

 

I tend not to put any make up on my characters, and if I do it's very light unless it fits the character. If playing a warrior or a soldier I definitely go for the less makeup route. I pay more attention to their facial structure.

 

http://en.wikipedia...._female_pirates

 

http://www.marinersm...eline/index.htm

 

Uh.... not expected a big list of these.... I'm a little surprised myself.

 

Woah. That's quite a few.

 

Interesting bit though:

"Many women on pirate ships did not identify themselves as such. Anne Bonny, for example, dressed and acted as a man while on Captain Calico Jack's ship.She and Mary Read, another female pirate, are often credited with this act as if they had been creative and innovative in their cross-dressing. However, that was not the case. Many women dressed as men during this time period, in an effort to take advantage of the many rights, privileges, and freedoms that were exclusive to men."

 

(probably because men clothes were more comfortable too )

[mopotter]

I think the women should be designed according to the general aesthetics of the race.  Qunari = tall and muscular, dwarves = short and burly (maybe a bit more plump/curvy), elves thin and willowy and maybe less curvy, humans could maybe be more in the middle with the "ideal" body type.

 

As for "ladylike," different people mean different things by that.  Some people LIKE skimpy armor, and I respect that even though I personally dislike it.  Others want things like skirt armors and battle heels--I don't want either of those, but the option would be nice for those who do, as well as for skimpy armor--give us options, make them equal statswise, or let us craft them so that they have equal stats.  And why not make the women's skimpy armor have a male skimpy equivalent?  I would use neither, but there are people who'd use both.

 

Some people were overjoyed at Hawke's Baywatch Butt Sway (not just men, but women too) and will argue vehemently that it was perfect.  I rolled my eyes whenever I had her strolling around, because I thought it looked ridiculous for anyone not intentionally trying to call attention to her butt cheeks--sort of an attempt at seducing anyone around.  Hard to take Hawke seriously as a character, for me, when she walked like that whether she was trying to seduce anyone or not.  I suppose Varric was using some artistic liberties in his storytelling, there...

 

 

Morrigan's skimpy clothing, though, wasn't appropriate.  The Korcari Wilds were repeatedly said to be cold.  Characters pointed this out to you as you traveled through them.  And yet, here was Morrigan, wandering around wearing next to nothing.  Did being a Witch of the Wilds somehow make her immune to hypothermia?  If she had been in a warmer climate, I'd be more okay with it because her attire does suit her character, but as practical as she is, it never made sense that she'd wear something so impractical for the climate she lives in.  Not only would barely covering her chest be cold, but something that loose would have easily snagged on branches.  Having little coverage also gives you plenty of places for ticks, fleas, mites, and mosquitoes to make a lunch of you.   It seems to me she was designed wearing what she was solely to be sexy without regard to the climate where she was found.  And indeed, cooler-weather clothing could still have been made to look sexy.

 

Sadly I've noticed a trend in Heroes of Dragon Age, wherein most women gradually more "sexed up" as she advances to Tier IV.  Bethany suddenly has cleavage, etc.  I still play and enjoy it, but I am annoyed that women mages have to wear revealing clothing, and Isabella is designed to show off her blocky pixellated cleavage to best effect (she's at JUST the right angle).

 

But hey, different strokes for different folks.

 

I think the real difference between "sexy" and "sexualized" is intention.  Are you making this character to appeal to someone, or are you making this character dress a certain way because that's who they are?  Also, assuming that it's in character for the character to be wearing a revealing clothing, are you considering what climate the character is from when you're putting them in skimpy gear?  Because someone from high in the mountains is likely to dress warmly even if that person does want to show off a hot body.  Etc.

Don't play the Heros of Dragon age, so will leave that alone.

 

I like this idea: "I think the women should be designed according to the general aesthetics of the race.  Qunari = tall and muscular, dwarves = short and burly (maybe a bit more plump/curvy), elves thin and willowy and maybe less curvy, humans could maybe be more in the middle with the "ideal" body type."  I've heard a lot about sliders but I'm not sure how that would work with cut scenes and this would seem to be a reasonable option.   

 

And also agree about clothing options.  I try to vary my characters and clothing options help.  I base some of my characters on books like forgotten realms, Sword Dancer, Oathbound,  even Red Sonya and clothing options help me with this. I don't generally play warrior types because I don't like heavy armor or close up fighting.  More of a fast on my feet and kill them from a distance, type preference.  Ice bolts and arrows are my weapons of choice.  

 

Morrigan's outfit, The weather part didn't bother me, one of my Dalish elves wore the crop top armor and have to admit I never thought about weather, if I don't see snow I assume it's nice during the day and there was a campfire at night.  It's not something I could have ever worn.  I'm sure she had a spell to keep the ticks and bugs away.   but that is an unpleasant thought since i have a issue with ticks. 

 

Agree with this -  "I think the real difference between "sexy" and "sexualized" is intention.  Are you making this character to appeal to someone, or are you making this character dress a certain way because that's who they are?  Also, assuming that it's in character for the character to be wearing a revealing clothing, are you considering what climate the character is from when you're putting them in skimpy gear?  Because someone from high in the mountains is likely to dress warmly even if that person does want to show off a hot body.  Etc."    My main problem with ME 2 was the lack of any kind of armor or space suit for any of the NPC's who didn't have it, including Jacob.  A mask just would not protect you if your in atmosphere that is corrosive, freezing. Let them wear their skimpy clothing on the ship, or in worlds like DA and Skyrim, in the bars or home if it's winter and snowing out.

[aTigerslunch]

Same here. I think I restarted ME3 a dozen times to get Shepard's face right.

 

As for make up and stuff, I wore a lot during my early teens. I was slightly ocd and just had to be perfect. I stopped altogether when I got 17-18 and cut my hair. I was playing a lot of sports, didn't want my hair to get in the way. The outrage The following year I got angry and restless, I had to be busy all the time. I started eating a lot and training every day, lifting and sparring. I put on 35 lbs in less than a year. People (lots of schoolmates and my father) freaked out because "I wasn't feminine anymore", "I was ruining myself", "Muscle is unnatural on girls" and the like. I didn't take any gear and found the "unnatural" part quite funny. Now that I'm 21 I've got longer hair, that's about the difference.

 

I tend not to put any make up on my characters, and if I do it's very light unless it fits the character. If playing a warrior or a soldier I definitely go for the less makeup route. I pay more attention to their facial structure.

 

 

Woah. That's quite a few.

 

Interesting bit though:

"Many women on pirate ships did not identify themselves as such. Anne Bonny, for example, dressed and acted as a man while on Captain Calico Jack's ship.She and Mary Read, another female pirate, are often credited with this act as if they had been creative and innovative in their cross-dressing. However, that was not the case. Many women dressed as men during this time period, in an effort to take advantage of the many rights, privileges, and freedoms that were exclusive to men."

 

(probably because men clothes were more comfortable too )

 

I probably would have to agree, considering the outfits tended to take longer to get in back then I think.  Like your post, I had ran out of likes.

[aTigerslunch]

Don't play the Heros of Dragon age, so will leave that alone.

 

I like this idea: "I think the women should be designed according to the general aesthetics of the race.  Qunari = tall and muscular, dwarves = short and burly (maybe a bit more plump/curvy), elves thin and willowy and maybe less curvy, humans could maybe be more in the middle with the "ideal" body type."  I've heard a lot about sliders but I'm not sure how that would work with cut scenes and this would seem to be a reasonable option.   

 

And also agree about clothing options.  I try to vary my characters and clothing options help.  I base some of my characters on books like forgotten realms, Sword Dancer, Oathbound,  even Red Sonya and clothing options help me with this. I don't generally play warrior types because I don't like heavy armor or close up fighting.  More of a fast on my feet and kill them from a distance, type preference.  Ice bolts and arrows are my weapons of choice.  

 

Morrigan's outfit, The weather part didn't bother me, one of my Dalish elves wore the crop top armor and have to admit I never thought about weather, if I don't see snow I assume it's nice during the day and there was a campfire at night.  It's not something I could have ever worn.  I'm sure she had a spell to keep the ticks and bugs away.   but that is an unpleasant thought since i have a issue with ticks. 

 

Agree with this -  "I think the real difference between "sexy" and "sexualized" is intention.  Are you making this character to appeal to someone, or are you making this character dress a certain way because that's who they are?  Also, assuming that it's in character for the character to be wearing a revealing clothing, are you considering what climate the character is from when you're putting them in skimpy gear?  Because someone from high in the mountains is likely to dress warmly even if that person does want to show off a hot body.  Etc."    My main problem with ME 2 was the lack of any kind of armor or space suit for any of the NPC's who didn't have it, including Jacob.  A mask just would not protect you if your in atmosphere that is corrosive, freezing. Let them wear their skimpy clothing on the ship, or in worlds like DA and Skyrim, in the bars or home if it's winter and snowing out.

I was able to like her post alot earlier when she first wrote it, but want to second, like yours as well.

 

Using the "stereotypical" of the races could work to alter body sizes in away for aesthetics to some. So that way they can just pick that race for that body type, sexy, lithe, curvy, muscular. I would say its easier than a slider for sure, if its not able to be used itself. Reason I also wrote the races like I did too, cause its a bit canon on average of that particular race. Skyrim, I bet there were alot of hypothermia going on in that area.