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[Allan Schumacher]

They do if they want to be great.

 

Neither you, nor me, nor him, nor anyone else has become or will become great by thinking "I'm just fine and dandy the way I am." Greatness means pushing yourself, and always striving to do better. To be better.

 

That explains the Hobbit.  Or the general hero story trope of being thrust in over your head and still accomplishing great things despite your obvious shortcomings.

 

 

What exactly is it that you're hoping to accomplish in the thread, at this point?  Because it seems like you have the perspective of coming in and telling all these people that what they think and find appealing is wrong, and how you're doing your duty to educate us all on it.

[Bob from Accounting]

Those heroes pretty much always have the option of turning around at some point or persevering. Bilbo could have stayed in the Shire.

 

I'm just here to try and speak on behalf of what everyone actually does - fill their stories with attractive characters.

[oceanicsurvivor]

I'm just here to try and speak on behalf of what everyone actually does - fill their stories with attractive characters.

 

Everyone eh?

[Allan Schumacher]

Those heroes pretty much always have the option of turning around at some point or persevering. Bilbo could have stayed in the Shire.

But he didn't, and you get arguably one of the most successful hero stories in recent history as a result.  The Hobbit (and Lord of the Rings) are not unique stories.

 

 

I'm just here to try and speak on behalf of what everyone actually does - fill their stories with attractive characters.

 

Elaborate.

[displayname]

That explains the Hobbit. Or the general hero story trope of being thrust in over your head and still accomplishing great things despite your obvious shortcomings.


What exactly is it that you're hoping to accomplish in the thread, at this point? Because it seems like you have the perspective of coming in and telling all these people that what they think and find appealing is wrong, and how you're doing your duty to educate us all on it.

No different then what you or a meriad of other posters in this same thread are doing.
Simple facts are ugly people don't generate interest in video games for any character unless there is a redeemable feature for that character.
No one wants to play hippo-the horrific hippopotamus as a main character in any video game.

[HuldraDancer]

I'm just here to try and speak on behalf of what everyone actually does - fill their stories with attractive characters.

 

So those books I read and stories I wrote with plain looking people weren't real? Guess I need some medicine for these detailed hallucinations

[Allan Schumacher]

No different then what you or a meriad of other posters in this same thread are doing.
Simple facts are ugly people don't generate interest in video games for any character unless there is a redeemable feature for that character.
No one wants to play hippo-the horrific hippopotamus as a main character in any video game.

 

No one is suggesting playing "hippo-the horrific hippopotamus" as a main character in any video game.

 

Earl in Toe Jam and Earl was fat, no one seemed to care.  Mario (and Luigi in some games) are both fat.  Probably most successful franchise of all time.

 

Other games wholly let you play as a fat man too.  Some still have fat men as companions as well.

[Gregolian]

No different then what you or a meriad of other posters in this same thread are doing.
Simple facts are ugly people don't generate interest in video games for any character unless there is a redeemable feature for that character.
No one wants to play hippo-the horrific hippopotamus as a main character in any video game.

You've missed the point.  Bob is saying "ugly" people HAVE NO redeemable features.

[oceanicsurvivor]

No one is suggesting playing "hippo-the horrific hippopotamus" as a main character in any video game.

 

 

Actually Allan, I think now is a good time to announce my new side scrolling platformer featuring: hippo-the horrific hippopotamus. Its an actual hippo who wears a tutu and leaps gloriously across a physical manifestation of the internet gobbling down bad opinions; as a result she is very very fat.

[Gregolian]

Actually Allan, I think now is a good time to announce my new side scrolling platformer featuring: hippo-the horrific hippopotamus. Its an actual hippo who wears a tutu and leaps gloriously across a physical manifestation of the internet gobbling down bad opinions; as a result she is very very fat.

So you're ripping off Fantasia?

[oceanicsurvivor]

So you're ripping off Fantasia?

I've no recollection of seeing that movie sooooo....maybe?

[KaiserShep]

How come Mario is worth more than the taller and skinnier Luigi?

[Allan Schumacher]

Actually doing a quick check here from memory

 

 

Mario

E Honda

The Heavy (and Sasha)

Earl

 

It's actually not THAT difficult to find fat men.  Some of them are ridiculously powerful too.

[aTigerslunch]

Bob, companions will be fine as far as personality. Not exactly sure what your argument is trying to achieve. I see you made your stand on what you find attractive. Why continue? It's your opinion that you don't like fat people, so be it.

 

Mind you, Elvis is listed in the gluttony pages of history, there are extremely lots of them, I found some and was having trouble posting them. More often the aristocrats were heavy sized, weight increases were going up when agriculture became numerous. I cant seem to post my links and will do so later.

[Bob from Accounting]

But he didn't, and you get arguably one of the most successful hero stories in recent history as a result.  The Hobbit (and Lord of the Rings) are not unique stories.

 

Right...because he kept going when he could have quit...or just not have started at all...

 

Elaborate.

 

Well, you look at pretty much any 'epic' story or blockbuster movie, the characters are very attractive. And the people in this thread didn't seem to think there was any good reason why. I was trying to offer a technical explanation of why such a thing was justified.

[Gregolian]

I've recollection of seeing that movie sooooo....maybe?

Lol

[displayname]

You've missed the point. Bob is saying "ugly" people HAVE NO redeemable features.

Well had Allen kept my first post and only bothered to edit it, I wouldn't have to reiterate.

Ugly people have no value or worth.
Society doesn't value them, marketing doesn't value them, religions and gods don't value them. Ugly people are not valued.

Johnna hill isn't valued because he's attractive, he's valued because he's a halfway decent comedic actor. Micheal cera isn't playing batman anytime soon. When was the last movie you saw an ugly person play a role of importance? The last video game? People don't want to see average upholding a fantasy idea.

The idea that ugly is good only works when they have a level of mystery that explains why they look the way they do. There is never going to be an ugly superman with horse teeth, less symmetry in the face then lines scribbled on piece if paper, and weighs just as much as the 3 buildings 5feet away.

So ugly people aren't redeemable. They are explainable. IE: Bilbo Baggins and even Golum.

[Gregolian]

I seem to remember guys that like red armbands on their left biceps having similar views of ethnic groups.......

[aTigerslunch]

Actually I am finding many ugly famous characters, Geralt was listed in one as number one, Wario, Max Payne, Cmdr Shep (could be), Marcus from Gears, Two-Face, Street fighter and mortal combat had several listed, Larry (from those playboy whatchamacllhims), Eggman, Kayne & Lynch

[Gregolian]

The two main characters from "Army of Two" are both scarred to hell and back.

[oceanicsurvivor]

Ugly people have no value or worth.
Society doesn't value them, marketing doesn't value them, religions and gods don't value them. Ugly people are not valued.
 

 

Not so fast. Just b/c you have a borderline sociopathic view of those you find unattractive doesn't mean everyone else does.

 

Society?

Spoiler

 

Marketing?

Spoiler

 

 

Religion?

 

Spoiler

 

*for the record, I don't think anyone listed/pictured here is ugly. The discussion so far has been about fat people, so the images kept with that idea*

[Reznore57]

Well had Allen kept my first post and only bothered to edit it, I wouldn't have to reiterate.

Ugly people have no value or worth.
Society doesn't value them, marketing doesn't value them, religions and gods don't value them. Ugly people are not valued.
 

 

Right tell that to Einstein or Mother Theresa or whatever...

Hollywood and the dream they sell is one thing , reality is another.

[aTigerslunch]

actors listed:  http://www.oddee.com/item_88803.aspx  I was trying to avoid actors and actresses but seems someone isn't researching.

[Allan Schumacher]

Right...because he kept going when he could have quit...or just not have started at all...

 

Despite not being particularly attractive nor physically fit.

 

You seem to be agreeing with me here that a less than ideal person can be an excellent candidate for doing heroic things now.  Any character could have quit no matter how they looked.

 

 

Well, you look at pretty much any 'epic' story or blockbuster movie, the characters are very attractive. And the people in this thread didn't seem to think there was any good reason why. I was trying to offer a technical explanation of why such a thing was justified.

 

Ehhh, the thread was also compromised when you decided to come in and straight up state that you'd be upset because a love interest may not be as skinny as you like.

 

The problem with your technical explanation is that what we see in the media fuels how we feel.  Which is the exact point of this thread asking for more female inquisitor.

 

There was a video game experiment done where Israeli and Palestinian people played a video game that had them take control of the leaders of each countries.  The control groups were playing the nationality they already were, the experimental group played the other side.  The results of the experimental group showed a lessening of their hatred and more compassion towards the other side.

Another study using the same game (PeaceMaker) picked Israeli's that had a high preference towards Israel and lower tolerance towards Palestine.  The control group played as the Israeli leader - their attitudes did not change.  The experimental group played as the Palestinian leader.  The attitudes towards Palestine were improved, and attitudes towards Israeli's weakened.

 

The game has also been used to explore affecting religious preconceptions and it softens that too.  Almost like maybe we could explore doing some more stuff like that to see if it can't change the way people start to see the world.

[displayname]

Actually I am finding many ugly famous characters, Geralt was listed in one as number one, Wario, Max Payne, Cmdr Shep (could be), Marcus from Gears, Two-Face, Street fighter and mortal combat had several listed, Larry (from those playboy whatchamacllhims), Eggman, Kayne & Lynch

So it takes Mary sue characters, super villains that are stereotypically ugly by default, or Wario to have famous ugly people? You do realize that you could put a tually celebrities in a list and it would have just as much merit. He'll, Vigo whatshisface from LotR is as ugly as a monkey, but how many people would know his name from Orlando Blooms?