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[mopotter]

I wanted to add to this.  When Mass Effect first came out, my husband and I took one look at the cover, and the advertising, and just rolled our eyes.  From everything the advertising was showing us, we honestly thought that BioWare had done a Halo/CoD knock off.  No real mention about roleplaying in the ads; no signs at all of a female PC.  

 

Before anyone says, "Well it's BioWare, of course you'd be able to play as a woman.  Didn't you say you've played most of the games?"  Well, I really wasn't sure.  I thought they had done something so completely different and that it was just a fixed PC named Shepard, with no gender choice.   That's why I'm glad that they put it up on the website for Inquisition and have given us some wonderful trailers with Fem Quizzy.

 

Plus, for the ME sequels, we saw the same type of male lead as is so common for most games, and once again, no sign that you could play as a female character.  Nor was there any signs of roleplaying elements in the advertising.  

 

It wasn't until I joined the ToR forums in January of 2011 did I even know that it was a RPG with some basic shooter mechanics, complete with romance and gender choices.  Advertising does matter.  

Yep.  The only reason I bought ME was because I hang out here and have been hanging out since KOTOR.  When I first heard about it they were not saying anything at all about being able to play female, but someone, I think it was Chris P, repeated that it's a BioWare game and not to be concerned.  So i got it.  

 

If it hadn't been for that comment, I would have passed on it, partly because I don't play shooters and that's what it looked like and mostly because of the lack of gender choices till I heard from someone that female was an option and then I would have picked it up.  

 

I've never understood this not advertising thing.  Every copy adds funding to the bottom line, I always heard that's a good thing.

[mopotter]

So you're ripping off Fantasia?

I was thinking George and Martha.  

[mopotter]

I won't wait hours before starting over.  I can usually tell by the time the first cutscene is done whether I do or do not like the look of my character.

Me too.  And I will change her looks and start over.  Unless we have something like the Black Emprorium.  I'm also bad about changing classes.  I've ended up having 3 games going on just to see which class I like best.  sad.  very sad.

[KaiserShep]

Hopefully the CC is better lit and gives us better views of our PC's so we won't have any unexpected details revealing themselves during gameplay.

[Grieving Natashina]

Hopefully the CC is better lit and gives us better views of our PC's so we won't have any unexpected details revealing themselves during gameplay.

I know that every thread that has asked about CC, I keep requesting that it is shown in natural light.  When Allan asked us to clarify, I told him that "natural light" in this case is the daytime lighting we'll be seeing our characters in more often than not.  

[ladyiolanthe]

I know that every thread that has asked about CC, I keep requesting that it is shown in natural light.  When Allan asked us to clarify, I told him that "natural light" in this case is the daytime lighting we'll be seeing our characters in more often than not.  

 

Brighter lighting would be good, I agree. I thought I had given my warden hazel eyes in the DAO CC, only to find they were actually blue once I was able to see them clearly in the game. I stuck with it because I liked everything else about her, though. So, no restart for me. 

 

I'm looking forward to playing around with my character creation in DAI! I kind of hope we can give them some flaws so they look more like real people, as has been done for the NPCs revealed to date.  

[Gregolian]

Me too.  And I will change her looks and start over.  Unless we have something like the Black Emprorium.  I'm also bad about changing classes.  I've ended up having 3 games going on just to see which class I like best.  sad.  very sad.

I definitely did that in Mass Effect 1 when I first started playing it.

[themikefest]

Hopefully the CC is better lit and gives us better views of our PC's so we won't have any unexpected details revealing themselves during gameplay.

Totally agree.

[oceanicsurvivor]

Me too.  And I will change her looks and start over.  Unless we have something like the Black Emprorium.  I'm also bad about changing classes.  I've ended up having 3 games going on just to see which class I like best.  sad.  very sad.

 

I'd be happy if they added a face code thing like Mass Effect had...anything really to make redoing a character a bit less of a hassle. Copy and insert the code, tweak the problem areas, start again etc. (But the Emporium is probably easier...and allows you to just give your character a haircut)

 

Edit: ...
 

Yeah, lets just bring that back.

[aTigerslunch]

Actually, I agree with that, the mirror to allow facial changes and such cause found out the face need's tweaking. In game tweaking can be immersion breaking but does keep from playing the CC for several hours in a day.     Inquisitor is staring at herself in the mirror.  "Don't blink, you might miss something." Varric would say in response. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm not sure if this has been posted here yet, but this is an amazing article:

 

http://askagamedev.t...itles-to-be-all

 

My favorite quote:

 

And that’s what I understand most feminist gamers actually want - they don’t want games to be all about women, they want games that treat women as people instead of objects, and for games to give them the option to play as women. Representation tends to be important for those who don’t have it and taken for granted by those who do.

 

 

DG's great response on his blog: http://dgaider.tumblr.com/

 

Indeed.

 

The argument I most often hear regarding those CSA figures is that they’re for the entire audience and not for a specific game or type of game. It’s true. The percentage may be less for some types of games and more for others. That does, however, still mean half the entire current gaming audience consists of women who are playing a game of some kind.

 

The leap from being someone who plays a videogame to someone who plays a hardcore videogame (such as the kind BioWare makes, let’s face it) is far shorter than the leap from non-gamer to the same.

 

So the question, if one looks at it from a purely business perspective, and particularly for an industry where costs are rising dramatically and the number of units of a AAA game required to ship just to stay afloat increases every year, shouldn’t be “how do we better fight for a larger share of our traditional audience?” but rather “how do we better entice a larger portion of the entire gamer audience to play our game?”

 

That’s the question with which the whole industry (and, yes, that includes us at BioWare) is struggling. Also note the pertinent part of the question is how to do it better. Simply making a good game is not in and of itself enough. Oh sure, that’s part of it—if you make a crap game, you’re not going to get an audience no matter who you pitch it to—but there are already good and bad games out there for every genre and type of videogame. What you have to ask yourself, if the suggestion is “women don’t even buy those games,” is, “why not?”

 

Hint: the answer may require more self-examination than you are, strictly speaking, comfortable with.

 

 

I thought it fit very well with the thread.  

[aTigerslunch]

I'm not sure if this has been posted here yet, but this is an amazing article:

 

http://askagamedev.t...itles-to-be-all

 

My favorite quote:

 

 

DG's great response on his blog: http://dgaider.tumblr.com/

 

 

I thought it fit very well with the thread.  

Yes, I seen that posted alot earlier some time ago. Thanks for posting it.    It does fit and needs to be reminded sometimes. Especially to some people who dont get it.

[Bob from Accounting]

When you claim people 'don't get it,' are you aware of why they might frown upon this sort of thing? I seriously doubt it's because any significant number 'hate women' or don't want women playing video games for some reason.

[Allan Schumacher]

are you aware of why they might frown upon this sort of thing?

 

Frown upon what sort of thing, in particular?

[Bob from Accounting]

Just the arguments that women should be represented more and whatnot.

[Allan Schumacher]

Just the arguments that women should be represented more and whatnot.

 

I can think of many reasons why some might frown upon this sort of thing.  None of them particularly compelling and many of which are ostensibly poor and fueled with all sorts of negative implications.

 

But why might people frown upon this sort of thing?

[Mes]

When you claim people 'don't get it,' are you aware of why they might frown upon this sort of thing? I seriously doubt it's because any significant number 'hate women' or don't want women playing video games for some reason.

 

What do you think the reasons are?

[oceanicsurvivor]

What do you think the reasons are?

Well I'm going to use a very technical term here and say that it's probably because they are 'meanies'.

 

or misogynist

[Grieving Natashina]

Well I'm going to use a very technical term here and say that it's probably because they are 'meanies'.

 

or misogynist

I'd go with "too scared to buck the "'accepted industry wisdom'" myself.   

[Bob from Accounting]

Have you considered that they might just be trying to be honest?

 

I hear a statistic like "Women make up half of video game purchases" and I think to myself there's no way in hell that's true. It sounds to me like something completely dishonest. I don't buy it.

 

So yeah, if people feel that way, they're going to scoff at it. They're going to attack it and tear it down. It has nothing to do with opposing women playing video games and everything to do with not liking bad statistics and bad arguments.

 

I cannot seriously imagine anyone being genuinely opposed to the idea of women playing video games. My impression has alway been the opposite is true - that most guys would really prefer more girls to play video games.

 

I think it would be like a pretty waitress flirting with you. You would like it to be genuine. You want to believe it. But you know it's not true. Just because you don't buy it doesn't mean you wouldn't like such a thing.

[Bugsie]

I'm super keen to find out what sort of reasons justify limiting representation of women.

 

C'mon Bob, let us partake of your wisdom¹

 

 

 

¹ probably not really wisdom

[Grieving Natashina]

One question Bob: Have you bothered to play the Dragon Age games yet?  At all?  

 

If not, do you really think you have any business telling other Dragon Age fans that their opinion about what they want from the game is false or wrong?  

 

If you decide it's still your place, you might want to stop and ask yourself why you care so much.  Pretty much everyone else in this thread could probably give you a thoughtful answer as to why this is important to them.   

 

Why are you posting in here?

[themikefest]

Yes Bob from Accounting. As the above person posted. Have you played any Dragon Age game?

[DragonRacer]

I'm not sure if this has been posted here yet, but this is an amazing article:

 

http://askagamedev.t...itles-to-be-all

 

I thought it fit very well with the thread.  

 

I find it kinda neat and validating that the average adult woman gamer has been gaming for 13 years. Sounds accurate for a median to me. I've been gaming since I was roughly 5 or 6 years old, when my Dad taught me how to play his Atari 2600. I'm 29 now so that's, what? 23-24 years gaming now?

 

 

Just the arguments that women should be represented more and whatnot.

 

Is there some overriding reason why more or equal representation would be a bad thing?

[AresKeith]

Yes Bob from Accounting. As the above person posted. Have you played any Dragon Age game?

 

From what he once told me, he started DAO but never finished