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[Samahl]

Couldn't celebrating a heavily muscularized woman and declaring all feminine-ish women as "hyper-feminized, cartoony, and sexed up" be an equally powerful insult to attractive women? 

 

WoW designs are not the be-all, end-all of femininity.

[SardaukarElite]

I'm seeing the same characters in other trailer there, still nothing like femshep with a female character focus beginning to end.

 

The difference is that Inquisition hasn't had a trailer focusing on the male character either. FemShep's trailer came after several years worth of marketing telling everyone how awesome default Shepard was. Comparatively there has been very little exploration of the Inquisitor as character.

[9TailsFox]

I think that person decided the female Qunari was a "thing" and not a woman because they found her ugly or masculine. Which means ugly or big or muscular women in real life are "things" too?

Qunari don't look like thing at all.  Well maybe body shape a little similar.

 

[RenAdaar]

 

I'd think it's also an insult that extremely strong or independent women (as this Qunari seems to be) couldn't also be attractive? 

 

 

I think she's attractive

I don't get why you think its an insult because you don't think she is attractive. or am I not understanding what your saying if so ignore me 

 

 

 

 

 

*double Edited* because of engwish and my brain as stopped working half way through

[aTigerslunch]

I find the female Qunari inquisitor attractive.

 

She looks to be on par with the males of her species. If she was human sized, ouch on birthing qunari's most likely.

[9TailsFox]

I think she's attractive

Im not sure why you think its an insult because you don't think she is. or am I not understanding what your saying if so ignore me 

 

 

 

 

 

*Edited* because of engwish

I understand for being nice but come on Qunari attractive. Yes some maybe a little, after all they are humanoids. But if you saw one in real life you wouldn't compliment how beautiful s/he is, you would run other direction. Well David Gaider is totally right if someone put mailbox in game someone would want do it.

[KaiserShep]

I understand for being nice but come on Qunari attractive. Yes some maybe a little, after all they are humanoids. But if you saw one in real life you wouldn't compliment how beautiful s/he is, you would run other direction. Well David Gaider is totally right if someone put mailbox in game someone would want do it.

 

Lol, he said that? That man is a hero.

[Ryzaki]

People just have different tastes. While I don't find the female Qunari attractive some do. There's nothing wrong with that. People's tastes vary.

[RenAdaar]

I understand for being nice but come on Qunari attractive. Yes some maybe a little, after all they are humanoids. But if you saw one in real life you wouldn't compliment how beautiful s/he is, you would run other direction. Well David Gaider is totally right if someone put mailbox in game someone would want do it.

Lol I said I think she's attractive not that I would want to have a relationship with her. That would be terrifying and I don't think I would survive the mating ritual.

 

 

 

 

(*edited* cause I realised this could be totally taken the wrong way I wouldn't have a real world relationship with her because im asexual and it would be terrifying because qunari mating rituals) 

Modifié par RenAdaar, 04 août 2014 - 06:41 .

[RenAdaar]

People just have different tastes. While I don't find the female Qunari attractive some do. There's nothing wrong with that. People's tastes vary.

Yeah I agree I wasn't saying it was wrong that they didn't find them attractive. Just that I don't see how its an insult that they aren't attractive (to them anyway)  

[JadePrince]

So... it doesn't count as showcasing a female PC in DAI's marketing if the female they showed isn't conventionally feminine/attractive to you? o_O

 

I hope I'm just misunderstanding. 

 

Personally, I DO find the female qunari attractive. She's got a gorgeous, strong face and features that I find appealingly androgynous. I don't see what "meeting one in real life" has to do with anything. If I met someone in real life with big ol' elf ears, I'd think that was weird, but most people still think elves in games are 'attractive'.

[Brass_Buckles]

Couldn't celebrating a heavily muscularized woman and declaring all feminine-ish women as "hyper-feminized, cartoony, and sexed up" be an equally powerful insult to attractive women? 

 

At any rate, my intention was to declare my confusion more than anything else. My concept of a "woman" is a certain image, and I still don't see quite how this Qunari is anything like most muscular women or women with muscularized facial features, it is alien if anything. If they had put a "masculine" looking female or something that makes sense, pretty much every male has some degree of female characteristics and vice-versa, or something. I don't want to necessarily insult anyone, but I'm not a biologist and I thought the Qunari would at least somewhat like what more of the concept art was showing, where they are indeed somewhat muscular but not necessarily... that. 

 

Anyway, you seem like a nice person and this is dragging in gender politics which is significantly more complicated than my personal quibble at the lack of a genuine femshep trailer. I especially wanted to contrast her with Zelda, who I see as simultaneously strong and attractive, when I could of just picked any number of random comic/anime art of the "super-hot" female. 

 

I'd think it's also an insult that extremely strong or independent women (as this Qunari seems to be) couldn't also be attractive? 

 

At any rate, I haven't seen any trailers focusing on the elves, why not just have an elf to balance it all out? Seems like no big deal. 

 

When the female characters are cartoons and their "assets" are intentionally emphasized, and there is actual concept art of them in sexualized, Escher-esque poses, versus more believable action poses, then the hyper-feminized characters are not a compliment to attractive people.

 

I have not once said anything against having more traditionally feminine characters in DAI.  I fully expect female human Inquisitors to lean toward that spectrum, and probably the elves too.  I do not want or expect qunari or dwarves to have the same physical structure (or even facial structure) as a human being.  They aren't human.  However, I'm a person who, while I try to make my characters "pretty," at least by my own standards, bases her characters on what kind of person I want them to be.  My tough human noble looked a bit more masculine.  But I had a mostly renegade soldier Shepard who had an adorable pixie-esque face in no small part for the contrast.  So, yes, sometimes my female characters might not look hyper-feminine.  And that's a good thing.  Sometimes they do.  That's also a good thing.

 

As for your concept of a "woman" being a specific image, well... in the real world, women come in all shapes, sizes, and builds.  Some women are even physically male.  And even with those who are female, some have beards, some are very flat-chested, some are stick thin, some are fat, some have narrow hips, I could go on and on and on.  What's insulting is the notion that women as a whole need to be represented as tiny-waisted, pixie-faced, and big-boobed, when the vast majority of us don't match that description, whereas men can be portrayed as fat, as stick-thin, as burly, as normal... and no one calls them "that thing," or complains that "they don't fit my idea of what a man is."

 

I will also point out that those "feminine" characters in, say, WoW or other cartoony franchises (including actual cartoons, including Disney) often actually deform the female physical form so that she's improbably slender-waisted, especially when she's holding up huge breasts on that teeny tiny waist (and most--though not all--super-skinny women don't have large breasts to start with).  Most of us couldn't even look that way while wearing a corset.  The scary thing is we see this deformation so much in the cartoons that we accept it as normal--including in your case, using WoW characters as an example of how more realistically styled DAI women should, in your opinion, look.

 

I'm not saying that we need to be swamped with portrayals of bearded women or fat women or stick-thin women, but you know what?  A handful of women in games and other media who don't necessarily meet the conventional beauty standards (i.e. not super-slim, or they ARE super-slim and also lack breasts and butt because they're super-slim, etc) would be a step forward, because it would be an indicator that the woman's characterization comes before her visual appeal.  Instead, most of the time we get characterization put into a conventionally pretty female character (she can have any personality but she HAS to be pretty), while the men around her have been characterized first, and then designed to suit that characterization (he acts this way, so let's make him look like someone with that personality/skill set).  If that makes any sense to you.

 

As for gender politics, I'll point out that this thread has already gone into such, and feminism, quite a lot.  Calling a woman or a woman character "that thing" tends to invoke these kinds of discussion (as well as offending some of us, and maybe even a lot of us).

[aTigerslunch]

I wouldn't run the other direction. If she has a personality that matched mine, I wouldnt just toss her away.

 

Women I know doesn't fit the description of the toons on what Brass_Buckles said than those that would.

[Nefla]

I said the Qunari was a thing because honestly if I didn't know it was already a woman from prior information I would not have necessarily known what gender she qualified as, considering not only the hyper-muscularity but the horns/skin and the... uh... whole situation. The face seemed very vaguely feminine, but that's basically it. 

 

The Draenei in WoW for instance I think of as female despite being blue and having horns, just based on being more closely aligned. 

 

I was referring to Zelda because I very clearly know that is a female, and an attractive female at that. I was thinking of a trailer with femquisitor that looked like Zelda (or just any standard female-ish human really) or just some kind of other hot female, with her own voicing and background and focus on her in several scenes specifically for that character. Kind of like the Super Smash trailers. 

 

-You knew the female Qunari was a woman as you stated yourself yet you still called her a "thing" because she doesn't fit your standards of "hot" how can you not see that is super offensive? When talking to a real woman or girl who isn't wearing makeup and doesn't have a perfect hourglass body shape do you just blurt out "shut up thing! Only women I'd like to bang count as women." There are plenty of real women who look just like her (minus the horns and coloring) they're not "things."

 

-I didn't have any trouble whatsoever knowing that the female Qunari inquisitor was female.

 

-Of course you know the female Draenei are female, how many men do you see with an extreme hourglass figure, huge perky breasts, and sexy feminine clothing meant to show off those things? Put anyone in functional armor without cleavage, chainmail miniskirts, and boob cup armor and you won't be able to see their secondary sexual characteristics. (and many people are androgynous, they are still people)The extreme sexualization of women in many video games is abhorrent. Women are people and people are varied. Women are not here for the sole purpose of arousing men.

 

-If THIS is what you call "hyper muscular" then I'd hate to see what you consider normal for a woman:

 

-I'm glad they didn't have the inquisitor be an adolescent princess. She's a grown woman, a hardened warrior, a leader, and she lives in a much more realistic world (a world where people have mostly realistic facial features and not anime faces). Most people that play DA and other western games know Zelda is a girl yes, but they'd also think Link (and other male JRPG and anime characters) was a girl based on looks if he wasn't already well known.

 

If you want to play a game where every character has an anime face, giant balloon boobs that could never exist in reality, and non functional, skimpy, chainmail bikinis then you're playing the wrong series.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah I agree I wasn't saying it was wrong that they didn't find them attractive. Just that I don't see how its an insult that they aren't attractive (to them anyway)  

 

Ah fair enough. *shrugs* I'm in the "don't care" pile because the body type is fine and we can customize the face so any issues I have regarding the fem Qunari's looks should be solvable. And if they're not *shrug* I'll just play humans. It's hardly the end of the world. Will I be a bit bummed I didn't get to play my amazonian? Yeah a bit but meh there's 4 different races all with different body types and looks. You're bound to find at least one playable and complaining that each one isn't catered to your personal tastes loses me (general you not you you).

[Ryzaki]

If you want to play a game where every character has an anime face, giant balloon boobs that could never exist in reality, and non functional, skimpy, chainmail bikinis then you're playing the wrong series.

 

While your whole post was beautiful alas this has already happened in DA. *coughIsabelacough*

[KaiserShep]

While your whole post was beautiful alas this has already happened in DA. *coughIsabelacough*

 

Hah. In fairness, at least Isabela just wears clothing.

[Ryzaki]

Hah. In fairness, at least Isabela just wears clothing.

 

I was really aiming for the balloon breasts comment but yeah she at least isn't pretending to wear armor.

[Nefla]

While your whole post was beautiful alas this has already happened in DA. *coughIsabelacough*

Isabella was thick though, her breasts weren't inhumanly big, and her body could support them. This is more what I was talking about :

 

Isabella is downright flat in comparison lol

[RenAdaar]

Isabella was thick though, her breasts weren't inhumanly big, and her body could support them. This is more what I was talking about :

O_O *sigh* anime... 

[Ryzaki]

Isabella was thick though, her breasts weren't inhumanly big, and her body could support them. This is more what I was talking about :

 

To be fair you hardly see breasts like that outside of JRPGs.

 

Also Isabela's breasts (well mounted cannon balls isn't quite right XD) but yeah...

 

Edit: Oh you got a pic. They look larger from the side and close up obviously.

 

Yeah breasts that large, no bra doing backflips. All I have to say to that is haha no. Edit: Well maybe it's tight enough to work as one. I have large breasts though and trying to use those cute dresses that come with the breasts slots is usually an exercise in carefully moving at a decent enough speed that they don't pop out.

 

All I'm saying is that the picture you linked isn't common in WRPGs anyway.  They're more Isabela's shade of big.

[9TailsFox]

Isabella was thick though, her breasts weren't inhumanly big, and her body could support them. This is more what I was talking about :

Anime physics. 

 

 

[Nefla]

To be fair you hardly see breasts like that outside of JRPGs.

 

Also Isabela's breasts looked more like mounted cannon balls than breasts to me.

I know, that guy was talking about how he wanted women to look like they do in anime

 

I think the problem with Isabella's breasts isn't the size but the unrealistic placement and perfect cleavage, a person can have large breasts and look normal but a real person's breasts have weight and squish together imperfectly

 

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[Brass_Buckles]

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I know, that guy was talking about how he wanted women to look like they do in anime

 

I think the problem with Isabella's breasts isn't the size but the unrealistic placement and perfect cleavage, a person can have large breasts and look normal but a real person's breasts have weight and squish together imperfectly

 

Not just anime, but also World of Warcraft, the infamous source of the constipated dark elf in the "sex now please" unnatural pose.

 

But I'm not sure Kefka-the-poster is male.  Kefka-the-character-from-FF9 is a dude, but who knows about the poster?   And whether male or female, they're certainly allowed an opinion.  My issue is calling women who don't meet their personal beauty standards "things."  Even if it's a character and not a real person, that's an insult to real people who share features with that character.  I wish more people would also think of that when insulting Sera, Cassandra, and Solas.

[Ryzaki]

I know, that guy was talking about how he wanted women to look like they do in anime

 

I think the problem with Isabella's breasts isn't the size but the unrealistic placement and perfect cleavage, a person can have large breasts and look normal but a real person's breasts have weight and squish together imperfectly

 

 

 

Oooooh. Wait why? Would he want the dudes to look like anime too? (Though honestly I'd like that.)  =/ I thought you guys were talking about bigger breasts without being absurd territory (honestly I did hope the fem Qunari's chest would be a bit bigger. But meh. Somehow I'll live).

 

Yeah like I said hers look like cannon balls on her chest. XD And the close up side angles just look...no.

 

And yeah those are big (mostly covered by the shirt tho) and not cannon balls mounted. XD