Some screencaps of the female human Inquisitor:
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I like everythng but the hair reminds me of some of the choices we got for Bound by Flame not a hair cut I'd use so hopefully they've got long hair that would be more Miranda or more traditional type if they mix between normal and agressive (like shown) hair styles then that would be fine. Beyound the hair style I'd craft a similar looking character at least once.
You know, I'm not the most attractive girl in real life. I'm not fugly, but not the most attractive either. I'm also bi.
So while I understand the whole push to not be treated as and shown off as sex objects and desire for realistic armor. To a degree I think it's starting to be pushed a little too far in some cases. While I don't see a need for a chainmail bikini, I admit to liking attractive options. To being able to play a bit of dress up with my character. Also while, no being stunningly beautiful is not realistic, I'd rather my avatar be beautiful, if for no other reason than for my escape to really be an escape, and for a bit of eye candy. I did say I was bi after all.
I know this will sound rediculous, but little bothers me more than when it feels like my character is mannish and wearing the ugliest outfit in the party. I mean last thing I want when playing my avatar is to feel jealous of my companions or their ability to actually have their own style. Take Dragon Age 2 for example. Everybody in the party got to have their own unique look, sometimes sexy if it suited them, realism be damned.
Meanwhile I don't think there was a single outfit I actually found attractive on my Hawke, and in 90% of them, if not for my feminine hairstyle, and exaggerated feminine walk, any sense of femininity was completely hidden and covered by the overly conservative outfit I was wearing.
Is bad enough we've lost our breasts, growing smaller and smaller til eventually we'll end up looking like little girls or boys, we have clothes that further act to hide that, yes we are female.
I don't mind the Joan of Ark masculine plate as an OPTION, but damnit I'm so sick of it being forced on me because someone might be offended. Some of us would rather be attractive and play a bit of dress up with our avatars.
So instead of being offended and demanding must be ulraconservative, how about a bit of compromise. The game actually can pander to both of us without going too far either way. Give us a C cup, enough that's attractive but not rediculously large, and outfits that range between a bit showy and attractive and ultraconservative, and make sure there are viable versions of both at all levels of power, so neither of us feels forced into the others outfit.
I want to be able to enjoy immersing myself in my avatar, and not feel like the ugliest female in the party.
...FemHawke's breasts don't make her look like a little girl. And I say this as someone with a rather bountiful bosom. I mean I was agreeing with you on the preference for choices for more revealing armor (but this should be for both genders. For every plunging neckline on fem characters I'd like a abs outfit for dudes if it's like SWTOR's CM where most of the armor is equally revealing I'd love it) but trying to say the armor makes fem PCs mannish and ugly is just. =/
I want to be able to enjoy immersing myself in my avatar, and not feel like the ugliest female in the party.
It's sad that you think women need to be sexualized in order to not be ugly.
So while I understand the whole push to not be treated as and shown off as sex objects and desire for realistic armor. To a degree I think it's starting to be pushed a little too far in some cases. While I don't see a need for a chainmail bikini, I admit to liking attractive options. To being able to play a bit of dress up with my character. Also while, no being stunningly beautiful is not realistic, I'd rather my avatar be beautiful, if for no other reason than for my escape to really be an escape, and for a bit of eye candy. I did say I was bi after all.
Not treating women as sex objects and giving everyone better armour does not have to come at the expense of attractive characters. The problem has always been that sexualising women has often come above logic or character considerations, and that female characters often *have* to be attractive or sexualised.
A character should look like they belong in their world, armour should look like it protects, adventuring gear should look like it can go on an adventure. But once you meet those design requirements you are free to make characters attractive or eccentric or stuffy or academic or whatever. I believe they'll be more attractive for it as well.
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I think it would help if the games featured more off the battlefield scenarios where the characters wouldn't have to wear combat gear. But that is obviously expensive resource wise.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind at all if those kinds of armor were in the game. I wouldn't use them personally but hey, more options are always better.
I love customising and leveling my armours and weapons and gear overall. Always gives me great joy when I could do that.
Sure - have your boob armour or whatever (for both genders), that's the great thing about options. But please, it should never be the standard. Attractive (or beautiful) does not always mean 'sexualised'. I love creating attractive characters, but I despise having sexualised outfits as a default (although I did get a laugh at the hotpants when my female hero wore them in Fable 2, but that was not the default option by any means.)
And in regard to the comment of 'pushed a little too far in some cases' - again if you have options, I fail to see how this would be the case.
Options options options options!!!!
To be honest, I wouldn't mind at all if those kinds of armor were in the game. I wouldn't use them personally but hey, more options are always better.
I would, or rather I think everything that's in the game says something about the game world. If someone is making helmets with rabbit's ears then it means someone, somewhere thinks that that is a good idea. Whether or not I think it weakens the setting would depend on the case.
It seems to me that for the options between more and less sexualized armors to be really helpful, there would need to be some kind of split between what your armor is for cosmetic purposes and what your armor is for gameplay purposes.
You know, I'm not the most attractive girl in real life. I'm not fugly, but not the most attractive either. I'm also bi.
So while I understand the whole push to not be treated as and shown off as sex objects and desire for realistic armor. To a degree I think it's starting to be pushed a little too far in some cases. While I don't see a need for a chainmail bikini, I admit to liking attractive options. To being able to play a bit of dress up with my character. Also while, no being stunningly beautiful is not realistic, I'd rather my avatar be beautiful, if for no other reason than for my escape to really be an escape, and for a bit of eye candy. I did say I was bi after all.
I know this will sound rediculous, but little bothers me more than when it feels like my character is mannish and wearing the ugliest outfit in the party. I mean last thing I want when playing my avatar is to feel jealous of my companions or their ability to actually have their own style. Take Dragon Age 2 for example. Everybody in the party got to have their own unique look, sometimes sexy if it suited them, realism be damned.
Meanwhile I don't think there was a single outfit I actually found attractive on my Hawke, and in 90% of them, if not for my feminine hairstyle, and exaggerated feminine walk, any sense of femininity was completely hidden and covered by the overly conservative outfit I was wearing.
Is bad enough we've lost our breasts, growing smaller and smaller til eventually we'll end up looking like little girls or boys, we have clothes that further act to hide that, yes we are female.
I don't mind the Joan of Ark masculine plate as an OPTION, but damnit I'm so sick of it being forced on me because someone might be offended. Some of us would rather be attractive and play a bit of dress up with our avatars.
So instead of being offended and demanding must be ulraconservative, how about a bit of compromise. The game actually can pander to both of us without going too far either way. Give us a C cup, enough that's attractive but not rediculously large, and outfits that range between a bit showy and attractive and ultraconservative, and make sure there are viable versions of both at all levels of power, so neither of us feels forced into the others outfit.
I want to be able to enjoy immersing myself in my avatar, and not feel like the ugliest female in the party.
Guess those of us who have less than a C cup are mannish, huh?
Nobody ever said that the outfits had to be ultraconservative. They just need to be reasonably accurate to the setting and to the type of outfit a character of that setting would actually dress herself in. They also need to be equal between genders--if women are in chainmail bikinis, I expect men in chainmail thongs. Anyway, for all we know, we'll be able to craft armor like Vivienne's. We've honestly seen very, very few armor options so far.
It's also a shame you didn't like any of the outfits in DA2, because I thought this armor of Lady Hawke's was the most attractive of anyone in the game.
"Ugly" and "attractive" are extremely subjective words, and how you appear to be defining those is not how others would define them. I personally don't think that only feminine women are attractive, and breast size certainly isn't what I look for in a woman.
It's also a shame you didn't like any of the outfits in DA2, because I thought this armor of Lady Hawke's was the most attractive of anyone in the game.
Other than the Champion armours and paid item packs there wasn't much available in either game which had a lot of character.
Though I don't think rampant feminism is the reason for that.
Other than the Champion armours and paid item packs there wasn't much available in either game which had a lot of character.
Though I don't think rampant feminism is the reason for that.
Yeah, I didn't love a lot of the armours either, but that applies whether the protagonist is male or female.
Meh I used the Amell Armor mods. Looked nice.
The mage armor would've sufficed but I played male Hawke and they decided to make his left arm an abomination in that outfit for some reason.
I have a B cup as well, and well I'd like my avatar to be more pronounced, not crazy D-cup but what is recognized by the most people as the most attractive cup size a C-cup. As for your pic of attractive armor, it hides the curves and makes her look flat. I'm not ashamed to have breasts. While yes many of us women don't have much chest in real life. Breasts are one of the features that seperate us from men. That outfit makes Hawke look like a little boy to me. I want to feel like a woman, not Peter Pan or some pedophile's wet dream. I don't like playing men, and I'd rather a female avatar that does not leave room for doubt.
Is bad enough due to animation limitations we are stuck with short hair in most games. I'll feel really sad when the day comes we all have A cups, a mannish walk, and short cropped hair while wearing clothes that hide what little curves we have left...
As for your pic of attractive armor, it hides the curves and makes her look flat. I'm not ashamed to have breasts. While yes many of us women don't have much chest in real life. Breasts are one of the features that seperate us from men. That outfit makes Hawke look like a little boy to me.
You can still see her shoulders, waist and hips, that's pretty obviously a woman. Same as you can tell the ambiguous protagonist on Inquisition's box is still a man. But is the Black Fox's Jerkin acceptably womanly?
Is better, yes, still ugly though.
No it does not, BUT is one of our more appealing and attractive features, and one that seperates us from men. You can have a fat brickish character with little to no feminine shape and barely noticeable breasts, like Pat from saturday night live. Could be completly questionable what gender they are by appearances, while definately being female in terms of the genitalia we don't see, or they could be male.
Doesn't mean I'd enjoy playing the character because it has female or male slapped on the label.
Our avatar should be the ideal woman or man, or get as close as possible, not aim for technically female.
No it does not, BUT is one of our more appealing and attractive features, and one that seperates us from men.
Not all women have breasts. Some men do.
Doesn't mean I'd enjoy playing the character because it has female or male slapped on the label.
Women and men don't cease being women and men simply because you personally find them unattractive.
Our avatar should be the ideal woman or man, or get as close as possible, not aim for technically female.
I don't think we should be pushing an unattainable "ideal" (that is far from the consensus, mind) onto players who are trying to escape from that in real life.
The problem is, you are saying I can't achieve that ideal even in fantasy. You're forcing me to be stuck with in game what I already have in real life. Maybe I want to be able to feel physically beautiful for awhile, to escape my prison and become someone gorgeous.
And no being fat does not, but not every female has that feminine body structure. Some of us are just not that feminine, weight on or off doesn't change it.
As for trying to escape it in real life. There are as seen here two sides to that coin.
For me you're forcing me into the same prison I've been stuck with in real life. I want out, even if for just a little while, and even if in just a game.
For me you're forcing me into the same prison I've been stuck with in real life. I want out, even if for just a little while, and even if in just a game.
At the expense of other players. The female Inquisitor looks plenty feminine to me, and if she was designed to have her boobs stand out, or was given unrealistic, sexified armor, I would be upset.
The problem is, you are saying I can't achieve that ideal even in fantasy. You're forcing me to be stuck with in game what I already have in real life. Maybe I want to be able to feel physically beautiful for awhile, to escape my prison and become someone gorgeous.
And no being fat does not, but not every female has that feminine body structure. Some of us are just not that feminine, weight on or off doesn't change it.
As for trying to escape it in real life. There are as seen here two sides to that coin.
For me you're forcing me into the same prison I've been stuck with in real life. I want out, even if for just a little while, and even if in just a game.
I'm not forcing you to do anything or forcing anything on you. I have zero control over what happens. I certainly understand your desire to play the game how you want. I, for one, do not want to have the hip swaying walk that femHawke, femShep, and now the Inquisitor will have if I choose to play as a woman. That is an aspect 'forced' on us all by the game (as it seems to stand now at least), assuming we make the choice to play it. I FULLY support allowing for greater diversity in terms of body types and gender presentations for the PC.
I think games need to start having two male a two female models for their players.
Male: One large ubermasculine build, well muscled and large. One lanky possibly wirey but not gigantic male.
Female: One, thinner, less curvy with maybe a b-cup. One with all the feminine curves and a c-cup.
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