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[Hanako Ikezawa]

What's wrong with some kind of combination between realism and fantasy? Dragon Age at this point seems pretty infamous for some horrible styling like those "helms" in Origins. 

 

Everytime I see that Inquisitor with his derp helmet in the trailer I just want to vomit, if you camoflauge his face and emotions in the interests of 'realism' than your sacrificing the interest of fantasy. Furthermore, whatever outfits DA conjures up are invariably pretty lame.. Sera's is all right I guess. I vaguely remember some plate armor in Origins and Awakening (Caelans or something?) being sort of.. cool. 

 

I don't see any reason there can't be some awesome outfits like from the Zelda picture a million years ago. Or like Lucina from FE. 

 

 

Fire Emblem has awesome outfit designs. If we get Fire Emblem-like stuff in Inquisition, I will be very happy. 

[tmp7704]

Let me ask, with that helm and those armor bits, does that say suave, quick witted opportunist, that uses cleverness and guile to you?  Or does that just say, lightly armored warrior?  Cause that's what I see is lightly armored warrior with light weapons.

I'm presuming the helmet is there for the "iconic appearance". You are certainly not required to keep it on, there's likely going to be toggle for that even.

That leaves what, bits of mail on the shoulders and protected forearms? It definitely doesn't strike me as anywhere near "lightly armoured warrior" in protection department. You have pretty much your entire body left to be protected with nothing but your quick wits.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Let me ask, with that helm and those armor bits, does that say suave, quick witted opportunist, that uses cleverness and guile to you?  Or does that just say, lightly armored warrior?  Cause that's what I see is lightly armored warrior with light weapons.

 

If I wanna play a warrior, I play a warrior.  I want something else in my rogues.  If a rogue is going to be styalized as nothing more than a warrior that wears slighly less bulky armor, I'd rather they not do the divide at all.  Just have warriors and mages.

 

A male rogue should look cool, suave, badass in a charismatic fashion, using style, wit and cunning to get by.  Not like some dude in a dorky helmet with metal knee and elbow pads.  Think more Varric, less this dude...

You're confusing by what they mean by Rogue. This is their definition of the class:

 

Rogues are crafty combatants who succeed in battle by combining speed, subterfuge, and a wide range of abilities to bring their opponents down in unexpected ways, sometimes before the enemy even perceives danger.

[Nefla]

If I'm going with an unarmored rogue I want something like this (for both genders)

 

 

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For pretty armor (warrior) I'd switch the skirt out for an armored lower body

http://31.media.tumb...4aqj3o2_500.jpg

 

Love Brienne's armor too

http://www.jaythebar...957007_orig.png

 

This would be cute for an unarmored/partially armored rogue

https://38.media.tum...ervueo1_400.jpg

[Puppy Love]

Ok take away the helmet and tell me, even without it, if you'd be able to think of this guy like Varric, or Indiana Jones, or Han Solo, or Robin Hood, or well any iconic roguish type figure ever represented anywhere?

 

Heck even the creators of dragon age know they represent rogues in pc armor terribly.  Is why their rogues look like Isabella and Varric, and there is where my problem is.  Granted ok, Isabella goes a bit far with her outfit, just a bit though, the "look" is proper rogueish type representation.

 

My point is I want my rogue to fit the archetype, to be dashing, or alluring, or sexy, to wear outfits that say I'm sexy and cool, or I'm the bad boy or girl, or, hey you know you want to trust me, I'm your best friend.  Not something that says I'm going to go fight in these kinda fugly clothes with armor bits randomly and awkwardly thrown on for some reasons.

[aTigerslunch]

I think that helmet is to generalize the inquisitor not specify a look for the inquisitor... make them less exact look, like Shep and Hawke, where they had one model not hidden canon'd that look.  That is what the helmet represents to me, to make the Inquisitor an unknown face that you can change.

 

Rogue's in heavy armor is a bit insane, they can sure, but they wont be able to use much of their skills without some kind of penalties dependent on the armor. I would want a rogue no higher than medium, which is what Rangers tend to wear if not lighter. Bards can be sexualized if they wish, that is them specifically and that is alright. Some wont be and some will be as long as its equal for male and female bards.

 

Huldra, I hope so as well on those outfits.   That would be fun.

 

Kefka, that looks good, no issues there. 

[Puppy Love]

Rogues are crafty combatants who succeed in battle by combining speed, subterfuge, and a wide range of abilities to bring their opponents down in unexpected ways, sometimes before the enemy even perceives danger.

 

All their description is, is of HOW the rogue fights.  Notice no mention of armor either.  So your argument is moot.  If they have specializations like bard, assassin, ect, then it fills multiple light to no armor archetypes under it's umbrella.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Rogues are crafty combatants who succeed in battle by combining speed, subterfuge, and a wide range of abilities to bring their opponents down in unexpected ways, sometimes before the enemy even perceives danger.

 

All their description is, is of HOW the rogue fights.  Notice no mention of armor either.  So your argument is moot.  If they have specializations like bard, assassin, ect, then it fills multiple light to no armor archetypes under it's umbrella.

No, it says they are combatants which means they go in expecting a fight. They may rather try to talk their way out of it, but they are prepared for it. That's different than wearing regular clothes. I agree that regular clothes should be an option, but Bioware having their Rogues wear armor makes sense from their definition of the term. 

[tmp7704]

Oh, and regarding Varric... why Varric but not Sebastian or Nathaniel? These two were rogues as well, yet chose to dress quite protectively.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Oh, and regarding Varric... why Varric but not Sebastian or Nathaniel? These two were rogues as well, yet chose to dress quite protectively.

And Merrill as well. I know she was a mage and not a rogue, but she had an outfit that made her look pretty yet was protected. 

 

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[Uirebhiril]

A male rogue should look cool, suave, badass in a charismatic fashion, using style, wit and cunning to get by.  Not like some dude in a dorky helmet with metal knee and elbow pads.  Think more Varric, less this dude...

 

See, that's where we can get into trouble with saying what things should be like. The option should be there for those whose characters fit that idea, but if I play a Dalish elf as a rogue, they aren't going to be clever scoundrels who get their way with dashing wit and charm. She's going to be an elf who learned to shoot a bow and use stealth in the forest. Someone else's Dalish might be an absolute rakehell and suave would work for them, but in either case we should have a choice between fashionable scoundrel-wear and practical stealth garb. I hope Inquisition will deliver in that regard.

[Puppy Love]

So combatant sais to you, "wears random armor bits on top of ugly clothes?"  Cause that's what we see in the picture above.

 

Being a combatant, and prepared for a fight, does not mean wears a bunch of armor, never has never will.  Armor and combatant are not mutually inclusive terms.  You can have either without the other.   There is zero, zilch, zip nada, no intrinsic link between being a combatant and wearing armor.  Sorry that's just not an argument. 

 

Being trained and prepared for combat could be a martial artist, a ninja, a pugilist, a pirate, a swashbuckler, a musketeer...  I can go on.

[Puppy Love]

Which is all I'm asking, I want both options.  I already gave examples of rogues that would be armoured.  That's already represented though, so no argument needs to be made for them, they are already represented.  I want the scoundrel rogue represented just as much as the scout rogue.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So combatant sais to you, "wears random armor bits on top of ugly clothes?"  Cause that's what we see in the picture above.

 

Being a combatant, and prepared for a fight, does not mean wears a bunch of armor, never has never will.  Armor and combatant are not mutually inclusive terms.  You can have either without the other.   There is zero, zilch, zip nada, no intrinsic link between being a combatant and wearing armor.  Sorry that's just not an argument. 

 

Being trained and prepared for combat could be a martial artist, a ninja, a pugilist, a pirate, a swashbuckler, a musketeer...  I can go on.

You realize that most of those types of people you listed came after the invention of gunpowder, the invention that made armor useless yes? The only one that didn't is a ninja, and they wore armor. 

[Puppy Love]

We have magic, fire breathing dragons, and Quinari who happen to have gunpowder actually all in canon.  Armor is already not that great in several instances.  The rogue is supposed to represent the agility over armored fighter.  Forcing armor negates the archetype.

[themikefest]

Since my femquisitor will be mage I wouldn't mind having armor similiar to the mage armor for the Champion of Kirkwall or even have armor like what Flemeth wore in DA2.

[SardaukarElite]

Considering Dragon Age characters fight on the move, and generally don't fight in large scale battles or in close formation I think the full plate designs are a bit out of place. At the same time there really is no excuse to wear no protective clothing at all.

 

Let me ask, with that helm and those armor bits, does that say suave, quick witted opportunist, that uses cleverness and guile to you?  Or does that just say, lightly armored warrior?  Cause that's what I see is lightly armored warrior with light weapons.

 

All the Inquisitors so far have been shown in that helmet and some form of light to heavy metal armour, I believe it is an attempt at making the Inquisitor recognisable in the marketing similar to Shepard's N7 armour. I think we'll get a lot more options in game, but we haven't seen anything yet. However even in that picture you can see the armour is much more form fitting.

 

 

We have magic, fire breathing dragons, and Quinari who happen to have gunpowder actually all in canon.  Armor is already not that great in several instances.  The rogue is supposed to represent the agility over armored fighter.  Forcing armor negates the archetype.

 

That's not the issue. Most weapons faced on the battlefield can still be deflected by conventional armour, because mages and dragons are rare. Armour became obsolete when the common soldier was wielding a weapon capable of ignoring it, and it still took a while for everyone to see that.

[Puppy Love]

The game already has had npcs representing the no to barely any armor suave and sexy rogue archetypes IN GAME already.  All I'm asking is that I be allowed to fill that role myself with my character if I wish.  I'm not asking to take the other option away. 

 

I just want my character to be able to pull off sexy and confident.  I want the option for my character to be the sexy or suave character, instead of having it reserved only for NPCs.  If a member of my party can pull of a certain archetypal look within a class, I should be able to pull off a look in the same archetype.

 

I'm not asking for something that does not exist in canon, or breaks the dragon age universe in any way.  I want what's already been in canon as options for myself.  I want to be able to visually represent more than one single rogue archetype.

[Ryzaki]

I had to lol at how Merrill decided to put on more armor if she was romancing Hawke. I mean jeez Merrill did I miss some crazy noble women threatening you or something?

[SardaukarElite]

I had to lol at how Merrill decided to put on more armor if she was romancing Hawke. I mean jeez Merrill did I miss some crazy noble women threatening you or something?

 

Hawke makes love like a Qunari.

[Ryzaki]

Hawke makes love like a Qunari.

 

lmfao

 

I guess Merrill had to brush up on her fire spells.

[Allan Schumacher]

So this is starting to go off topic, I want to ground it in this:

 

Making model variations is time consuming.  Assuming we can only choose one, how do we reconcile two contrary perspectives that appear to be mutually exclusive?

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

You realize that most of those types of people you listed came after the invention of gunpowder, the invention that made armor useless yes? The only one that didn't is a ninja, and they wore armor. 

Did they? They shouldn't since they're spies and assassins and disguised themselves instead of taking part in all out warfare.

 

And no, no one in a Bioware game has ever been an "assassin", what with the killing waves of paratroopers and "lets have a cutscene for lengthy exposition before we fight".

[Allan Schumacher]

Seems relevant here: http://www.cnet.com/...le-protagonist/

 

This part of the author's comment reminded me of earlier discussions:

 

And for those who would like to see more diversity in how the protagonist is represented on screen, it's vitally important to continue speaking up -- not only when they see something they don't like, but when they see something they do.