Did they? They shouldn't since they're spies and assassins and disguised themselves instead of taking part in all out warfare.
Yeah, they wore it between layers of cloth for the more civilian infiltration missions like you describe.
In more militant operations, like infiltrating a fort to kill a warlord, they would wear a chestplate, shoulder, arm, and leg guards as well as even possibly metal-lined hoods.
So this is starting to go off topic, I want to ground it in this:
Making model variations is time consuming. Assuming we can only choose one, how do we reconcile two contrary perspectives that appear to be mutually exclusive?
Well that's a tough one especially since I think there are more than two contradictory perspectives on the matter... everyone you ask will have a different idea of what they want to see or at least variations from each other. Human nature and all 
My 2 cents for what it's worth (probably not even 2 cents) and strictly my own opinion:
I actually think you're helped by having four races though because each race already lends itself to differences in how they look, qunari tall and hopefully broad, dwarf short and stocky, elf lithe and slim and human athletic and... something. Hopefully that's at least giving you four different models to start with and what the discussion seems to be about now is the clothes and armour being worn from there.
In terms of armour and clothing options I'd say it starts with the setting for me and equality between the genders so if men have full plate women have full plate and if women have the chainmail bikini men have the chainmail bikini as well. In an era of swords and bows before gunpowder is really a thing then practical armour makes sense setting wise and I'd like that for mages too but that could be because I don't like dresses and want to wear pants Damn It! 
But now we're back to personal taste so the more options the merrier as long as what's good for one gender is good for the other. And yes that means I'm fine with dresses for both men and women and suits for both men and women as well. 
Or have I missed the point and what you meant by model variations? If so please ignore.
So this is starting to go off topic, I want to ground it in this:
Making model variations is time consuming. Assuming we can only choose one, how do we reconcile two contrary perspectives that appear to be mutually exclusive?
As long as the body type isn't extreme in one way or another (no bodybuilder or playboy bunny with implants) and there are clothing options for varied tastes I think people will be satisfied. Also like others have said make the options the same for both genders. If a male warrior gets to choose a covering, practical set of armor, don't give the female warrior a midriff showing boob cup plate. If a female mage robe has exposed thigh and chest, make the male version of the robe the same. (like SWtOR does now)
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Seems relevant here: http://www.cnet.com/...le-protagonist/
This part of the author's comment reminded me of earlier discussions:
Seems relevant here: http://www.cnet.com/...le-protagonist/
I really appreciated David Gaider's statement here:
"It falls on the player base to speak up and tell developers (and publishers too) what they would like to see," Gaider said. "I'm not only talking about female players and minorities making themselves visible and making their opinions heard (although that is important), but also to male players speaking up in support of them. Unless they really want the discontented few to speak up on their behalf, it's absolutely vital in reassuring the industry that any negative reaction to inclusivity efforts is far outweighed by the positive."
This is why I really appreciate all the male supporters we have here. 
But I wish more of the male fanbase would speak out in support of Bioware's inclusivity. I just saw a discussion about this exact thing on Tumblr--it's probably true that most straight male gamers don't care either way that the female version of the protagonist is becoming more visible, but wouldn't it be great if they actually were positive and happy about it rather than merely indifferent?
My 2 cents for what it's worth (probably not even 2 cents) and strictly my own opinion:
I actually think you're helped by having four races though because each race already lends itself to differences in how they look, qunari tall and hopefully broad, dwarf short and stocky, elf lithe and slim and human athletic and... something. Hopefully that's at least giving you four different models to start with and what the discussion seems to be about now is the clothes and armour being worn from there.
In terms of armour and clothing options I'd say it starts with the setting for me and equality between the genders so if men have full plate women have full plate and if women have the chainmail bikini men have the chainmail bikini as well. In an era of swords and bows before gunpowder is really a thing then practical armour makes sense setting wise and I'd like that for mages too but that could be because I don't like dresses and want to wear pants Damn It!
But now we're back to personal taste so the more options the merrier as long as what's good for one gender is good for the other. And yes that means I'm fine with dresses for both men and women and suits for both men and women as well.
Or have I missed the point and what you meant by model variations? If so please ignore.
I agree, and this is why I was so adamant about the female qunari's build being different from the other races. Having 4 races is an opportunity to have 4 different body types, which is so many more options than we normally get for female bodies.
I know that limitations in budget and animation (I'm guessing a body slider will not be an option simply because of clipping issues with the cinematics) means that we're never going to get the range of options we all want. And I know the body that is created will always be idealized in some way. But having it suit the setting (athletic build due to the demands of combat) and at least somewhat balanced between the genders (not making hulked out men and skinny noodly women) is probably the best we can ask for.
As long as the body type isn't extreme in one way or another (no bodybuilder or playboy bunny with implants) and there are clothing options for varied tastes I think people will be satisfied. Also like others have said make the options the same for both genders. If a male warrior gets to choose a covering, practical set of armor, don't give the female warrior a midriff showing boob cup plate. If a female mage robe has exposed thigh and chest, make the male version of the robe the same. (like SWtOR does now)
Yeess to the bolded.
I don't mind sexy armor.
Seriously I have my Skyrim dude running around with the fur plate that pretty much is an abs advertisement. But I want it consistent on genders. (It's why I had no issues with JE female outfits being tight or the clevage. All the PCs were dressed in similar fashions and it fit the setting.)
I despise the whole bikini armor on female then I give it to my male and all of a sudden it's full covering armor.
I actually think you're helped by having four races though because each race already lends itself to differences in how they look, qunari tall and hopefully broad, dwarf short and stocky, elf lithe and slim and human athletic and... something. Hopefully that's at least giving you four different models to start with and what the discussion seems to be about now is the clothes and armour being worn from there.
I agree, and this is why I was so adamant about the female qunari's build being different from the other races. Having 4 races is an opportunity to have 4 different body types, which is so many more options than we normally get for female bodies.
I have to say though, it's a mixed blessing for me.
I have to say though, it's a mixed blessing for me.
I know it's not what you wanted, but at least the body type you did want is represented through the female human and elf, whereas the qunari was the only opportunity we've had for a bigger, more muscular woman.
I know it's not what you wanted, but at least the body type you did want is represented through the female human and elf, whereas the qunari was the only opportunity we've had for a bigger, more muscular woman.
Yeah, but I don't like the backgrounds for the human or elf. So I really only have 2 choices:
1) Play a character with a body type I like but a backstory I don't.
2) Play a character with a backstory I like but a body type I don't.
By some amazingly bad luck on my part, I find myself in a lose-lose situation.
Does anyone know what the dwarf female body type is like?
Yeess to the bolded.
This one of the more interesting questions to me. Is the feminist vision of equality one where men are sexualized as well as women or one where neither is overly sexualized? (whatever that means).
Does anyone know what the dwarf female body type is like?
Well, there's scout leader Harding.
Hard to really tell with that pic 
This one of the more fascinating questions to me. Is the feminist vision of equality one where men are sexualized as well as women or one where neither is overly sexualized? (whatever that means).
It depends on whether you think harm comes from sexualization itself, or simply the imbalance.
Yeah, but I don't like the backgrounds for the human or elf. So I really only have 2 choices:
1) Play a character with a body type I like but a backstory I don't.
2) Play a character with a backstory I like but a body type I don't.
I don't think the Human Noble and Dalish background will be identical to their counterparts in Origins. I understand that other origins were your preference, but you might end up liking them or at least one come fall 
Also, as awesome as it is that Alix continues to be a fairly well spoken advocate on twitter, its really sad that she is recieving backlash for...what...femQuisitor actually being represented? Thats so bizarre to me, I mean. Jennifer Hale gets praised as being sorta like, the hidden gem, of Mass Effect, ya know? But the second Bioware actually shows off their female voice talent (And from that vid where Alix talks about the unifying theme for her Inquisitor voice I really really do think Alix is gonna be amazing) they get backlash and suddenly haveta defend the very existence of OPTIONAL female protagonists.
Samahl-Thanks for brining that video over, I hadn't seen that posted yet!
This one of the more interesting questions to me. Is the feminist vision of equality one where men are sexualized as well as women or one where neither is overly sexualized? (whatever that means).
Overly sexualized probably means objectifying. As in, viewing someone as an object or tool to be used instead of a person. You can find someone sexy without dehumanizing them. However there is no one unified feminist vision for how this issue should be resolved...but I would say that the goal as I see it would to stop dehumanizing people/ending objectification. All of this though isn't the end all be all of the feminist vision for equality, just one of many battles
It depends on whether you think harm comes from sexualization itself, or simply the imbalance.
So what is Samahl's opinion on the matter? I"m just trying to get a substantive answer, not more questions, although if no one really wants to share, fine.
Are feminists contending that the problem is that there aren't men kind of half dressed and looking really attractive, or that idea itself?
So what is Samahl's opinion on the matter? I"m just trying to get a substantive answer, not more questions, although if no one really wants to share, fine.
Is the problem fundamentally that there aren't more sexy men as well as women or the process of making them really hot in the first place?
I have mixed feelings on the issue, but I generally feel better about women being sexualized as long as men are sexualized in equal measure. Everything still has a time and place, though.
Is this thread seriously just here for a catch all of every female related issue posters have about DA:I?
I don't understand it's purpose.
wish more of the male fanbase would speak out in support of Bioware's inclusivity. I just saw a discussion about this exact thing on Tumblr--it's probably true that most straight male gamers don't care either way that the female version of the protagonist is becoming more visible, but wouldn't it be great if they actually were positive and happy about it rather than merely indifferent?
No offense but female protagonists have been playable in many games for some time, such as WoW or Demon Souls or places like that. Going to a demo and going "Look, look, we have a human female!" Is not particularly novel at this point in time.
So this is starting to go off topic, I want to ground it in this:
Making model variations is time consuming. Assuming we can only choose one, how do we reconcile two contrary perspectives that appear to be mutually exclusive?
Some people have now answered that and (also) no offense also but honestly the fact that you guys appear to fixate on the superficial elements of a female person in the Bioware crusade against superficiality is rather distressing. Well, and ironic.
It doesn't matter what size or shape female or clothes you put out if they don't have any genuine characterization separating them from the other image of females in the universe or western games at generally. I cringed at the demo when he was announcing "Human female."? It starts to feel like a marketing presentation where the big fat bullet point with - Female protag, checked, therefore we're good or something.
No offense but female protagonists have been playable in many games for some time, such as WoW or places like that. Going to a demo and going "Look, look, we have a human female!" Is not particularly novel at this point in time.
You realize you're in a 200+ page thread...that is all about discussing how much seeing FemInquisitor was needed and underrepresented right... 
No offense but female protagonists have been playable in many games for some time, such as WoW or Demon Souls or places like that. Going to a demo and going "Look, look, we have a human female!" Is not particularly novel at this point in time.
Some people have now answered that and (also) no offense also but honestly the fact that you guys appear to fixate on the superficial elements of a female person in the Bioware crusade against superficiality is rather distressing. Well, and ironic.
It doesn't matter what size or shape female or clothes you put out if they don't have any genuine characterization separating them from the other image of females in the universe or western games at generally. I cringed at the demo when he was announcing "Human female."? It starts to feel like a marketing presentation where the big fat bullet point with - Female protag, checked, therefore we're good or something.
Hit the mark exactly. It's the same deal as the "First Fully gay companion", people outside BSN seem to agree that Bioware are just using these things as marketing bulletpoints.
Hit the mark exactly. It's the same deal as the "First Fully gay companion", people outside BSN seem to agree that Bioware are just using these things as marketing bulletpoints.
Without marketing, nobody would know anything about Dragon Age. Just because you don't care about female and LGBTQ+ representation doesn't mean everyone else feels the same.
This one of the more interesting questions to me. Is the feminist vision of equality one where men are sexualized as well as women or one where neither is overly sexualized? (whatever that means).
Don't know I know for myself if both genders are treated equally I'm fine with it. I have nothing against sexuality as long as it's not one sided. (Even if it's implausible if the males and females are equally implausible I'm more liable to roll with it). That's just my preferences tho. Others are different *shrug*
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