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[Brass_Buckles]

I still think this thread (and forum, kinda) is the straight male gaze, under the guise of female emancipation and clarity, there have been 200 pages about whether her curves or walk is too sexual or not and little about what makes her as a female person. Whenever Bioware comes up outside BSN, people automatically associate it with sex and just gender stuff, rather than oh man, Solas sounds like a really cool character or whatever. Some people think of Bioware as having cool characters, but mostly not so much. If they want to be taken more seriously, I would suggest changing their emphasis. 

 

I guess I just find their lack of confidence (What about this? What about that woman? Oh no, we can't do both) pretty grating though, and I feel like that's because they're not '100%' sure what it is they're trying to say. 

 

Honestly though, if you just want to keep comparing DA:I to past Bioware games or to the many lame generic games out there and call that a victory fine. Plus, it wasn't my thread and if the sole goal of people here was just to see her then fine also, I see a possibility but I don't need to really go on about it here. 

 

Right, all of the women in this thread (most of us who have posted claim to be women) are straight males... this makes perfect sense.  Well, I guess I'd better go replace my wardrobe, since, as the original poster, I am no longer a woman since I am looking at things through the eyes of a straight male.

 

Here's the thing:  We say what we don't want and didn't like because this is the FEEDBACK FORUM.  If we don't say something about it, then how is it going to change?  If no one said anything about how we feel objectified, or how annoying it is that all players, regardless which character they play (i.e. gay male characters or straight females) are often treated as if they were male (i.e. Miranda's behind, cleavage shots in various games, etc.--which gay men and straight women are most likely not interested in), then how would BioWare know about it to change that?

 

Here's some food for thought:  Why is it so important to you that we be wrong?  Does it not occur to you that games are less fun for a lot of women when we're treated as things that are only as valuable as they are pretty for straight men to look at?  Or that there are quite a few of us who enjoy the heroic type games a lot more when we can play as our own gender rather than being Default Male McScruffy?   You claim you're fine with/want representation, but like others before you, you want to tell us how we ought to go about asking for it, and then refute the idea that it's needed because Bioware's always had an option to be female!  Yeah, but... if no one knows that (via marketing) what does it matter?

 

I think what I am trying to say is, why are some people so dead set against women actually enjoying playing games the way they want to?

 

And having said all of that, your arguments are the same as several others', and so is your refusal to actually listen to the counterarguments.  We get it--you don't really care.  You aren't invested in this.  You're not a woman and you don't even try to think what it might be like to have limited high quality games that cater to what you want to play.  You just seemingly came into this thread to tell us how wrong we are and refuse to listen to us when we try to explain our points of view.

 

Yes, this thread has been all over the place, topic-wise.  It's because it's such a very long thread, and there is a lot to discuss in terms of how women are represented, and, yes, how they SHOULD NOT be represented (I don't even really think there can be a standard for how women SHOULD be represented since women are diverse and really, why can't we represent women with as much diversity as we do men?).  And as long as the topic has been relevant to women in DA:I (and more specifically, marketing) I am okay with that.  It's been interesting discussing things with others.  For instance, not being a girly-girl person myself, I hadn't previously really considered why more feminine gear wasn't included.  But it should be (and for both sexes).

 

I'm a bit fed up with some handful of people coming in this thread every thirty pages or so just to badmouth us, moan about how evil it is to want equality (those horrible feminists, how dare they want equal representation and equal pay and being treated like human beings!)  and argue and refuse to listen.  I hate putting people on ignore, but in this case it's a must or I'm going to start losing my cool.

[Lady Nuggins]

I still think this thread (and forum, kinda) is the straight male gaze, under the guise of female emancipation and clarity, there have been 200 pages about whether her curves or walk is too sexual or not and little about what makes her as a female person. Whenever Bioware comes up outside BSN, people automatically associate it with sex and just gender stuff, rather than oh man, Solas sounds like a really cool character or whatever. Some people think of Bioware as having cool characters, but mostly not so much. If they want to be taken more seriously, I would suggest changing their emphasis. 

 

I guess I just find their lack of confidence (What about this? What about that woman? Oh no, we can't do both) pretty grating though, and I feel like that's because they're not '100%' sure what it is they're trying to say. 

 

Honestly though, if you just want to keep comparing DA:I to past Bioware games or to the many lame generic games out there and call that a victory fine. Plus, it wasn't my thread and if the sole goal of people here was just to see her then fine also, I see a possibility but I don't need to really go on about it here. 

 

You still haven't answered my question.  What was so great about the ME3 Femshep trailer that you want to see repeated for the Femquisitor?  That wasn't a sarcastic question, I was asking earnestly.  If you don't think what they've done is enough, then what do you want to see?  What would be enough?  

 

The entire point of this thread was to show Bioware this issue was important to us and explain what they could do better in this area.  So if you think they are only achieving the bare minimum right now (which, yes, they are--it's just that the fact that the rest of the industry is doing so poorly in its representation of women means that even minimal representation stands out), then what more should they be doing?

 

Instead of tearing us down for enjoying what small victories we have, maybe offer some actual constructive ideas as to what Bioware should be doing instead.

[Seraphim24]

I think I'm pretty much done here, apparently it was so upsetting I said that I characterized the previous 200 pages of this thread to be about " curves or walk being sexual," as the thread was in fact about whether or there was simply a female inquisitor. I don't need to continue to be harassed every time I try and make a larger point when people fixate on every detail that is remiss when the statements are designed simply to make broader points for the most part. The message was simply that this thread, as far as I can tell, is focused on appearances, the 'presence' and not the 'character.' Fine, the previous 200 pages seem to largely be focused on 'appearances' and not necessarily on her 'character.' It is 'not' (always, or mostly) expressly about her curves or figure or whatever.

 

However, you all have stated numerous times the point was simply to get her in the material, just her image, and that's the information I've been going off as much as anything. I threw in the walk part because there was a thread about that now and expressly that.

 

Incidentally, it seems ironic no one has taken any concern with that whole other thread, which is wholly about her sexy walk or lack of sexy walk (which frankly belongs on a porn website). Additionally I've advocated numerous times for female characters with "depth," not as you suggest, just some object. In doing so, I've also been called an irredeemable sociopath , and a dozen other things (in addition to rampant mischaracterization of my own POV, as recently as 3 posts ago), and yet somehow that all escapes censure? I see no reason to continue to offer feedback in such an environment, I've been repeatedly misread labeled as belonging in a category that I don't belong and counter-condemned for failing to be able to read by pretty much everyone here at least once. 

 

At any rate, before likely ceasing interest in this thread I'll be nice this time and tell you what I liked about femshep, it appeared to be demonstrating the essence of the character (in addition to her apperance). Honestly, I'd consider the female commander shepard to be a very solid character, even though she was simply presented as a protagonist. Her overall impression with Jennifer Hale voice acting and everything was cool, and it made me feel like "oh this is a cool character." My issue has not been that you go "oh look, we have a female character," it's that you don't go "Look at this character we built that happens to be a really awesome female with a striking personality etc. etc."

 

Here's a constructive idea, have a character that isn't like (many) people on this forum, someone who doesn't stress over all the details, someone who doesn't get so crazy upset because something wasn't completely and exactly the way it was, someone who isn't so tethered to reality, someone that instinctively likes things, not instinctively criticizes things. Someone who isn't hypersensitive to their image to the utmost, someone who can take criticism even if they view themselves as above and beyond. When the title said "femquisitor" I was thinking of some kind of burning fierce redhead with a passion for justice, halberd in hand and taking the fight to whoever in a kind of epic cinematic fight, not, "oh look, a female." I was thinking of an outfit that looked good and wasn't either over or under sexualized. I was thinking maybe she could have some gentle moments also. I was thinking maybe she could be excited about the adventure of going through all these forests and such in the Dragon Age universe. Of course, this is just a forum, I'm just some random person, it's not my job, I can't do the whole thing here exactly. 

 

I don't want you people to feel bad or anything because you have grasped onto something that stands a midst a lot of things you don't like, which is another reason why I should probably just go. 

 

Your instinctive placing of me in the camp of someone who is against all this representation because it's not regressive like my supposed other games is fatal to your collective causes, it simply doesn't occur to most of you that I'm criticizing as a way of being 'more progressive' (if that's the term you want to use), perhaps because you are not used to it. I don't play like, any of the other games out for the most part, very, very, few. 

 

Another thing you fail to understand is I've actually hesitated many times in the past to criticize the likes of Bioware and such based on the fact that I felt kind of harsh criticizing the ones who seem to be moving out of much of the boring mainstream stuff, but I say it because I really believe you can revisit these things at a later date and see what I'm talking about. I'm not making this stuff up, you can't believe (it seems to me) that there is someone out there that views Bioware as somewhat backwards, and the general Call of Duty etc. as essentially nothing. No, Bioware is the pinnacle, and the other games are crap, and everyone who says otherwise must be on of those dumb CoD fanboys that found there way in here and can't stand women. 

 

Nonetheless, a part of me was thinking maybe they could be a part of something truly spectacular, and not just kind of beat around the edges as they've been doing. Tomb Raider (2013 version) was pretty cool actually, I can just play that again. 

 

Perhaps not, though. If it comes down to it it's not really necessary that I play any of the Bioware games either, even if they're more compelling than most games out there, I was thinking it would be odd if I just didn't have any interest in .. like... "any" western games. It seems attempting to find some middle ground hasn't worked out though. 

 

Well that was long, but as I said I am not really finding this very interesting or productive at this point being the only one taking these positions. I'd say again that I would like to see DA:I succeed or Bioware games generally because there are so many shooters and disappointing games out there these days. However, they don't have this kind of juggernaut marketing/production blitz, they have to succeed on their strengths of concepts. As it is, their concepts are stronger than most probably, but to really make an impact I personally think they should be airtight and fiercely confident in order to overcome other potential issues. 

 

However, it is truly not essential (I'm not sure where you got the idea) that I be right and everyone acknowledges my position, or that Bioware does anything at all, or anything of that sort... so that's why this can just take it's course and I'll leave DA:I alone. 

[Lady Nuggins]

I think I'm pretty much done here

 

I think you are.  Let's get back to the topic of the thread, shall we?

[oceanicsurvivor]

Showing some female friends that latest femQuisitor gameplay trailer just made them decide to try out Origins so they will be ready for Inquisition this fall! Whooo! Marketing at work!

 

 

It also made them decide to preorder...which they had been on the fence about.

[SardaukarElite]

I don't need to continue to be harassed every time I try and make a larger point when people fixate on every detail that seems remiss, the message was simply that this thread, as far as I can tell, is focused on appearances, the 'presence' and not the 'character.' 

 

What you seem to be failing to understand is that appearance is a primary issue here. This thread is about the female Inquisitor, a player assembled main protagonist in a game with gender choice. We know very little of her character at this point, but we do know that we will influence it and that it will be mostly shared with the male Inquisitor's character. We  know that we won't have to worry about her being rescued by Daniel Craig, or only talking about male characters, or being weak, or being emotional.

 

Her character is not in question, her appearance undermining her character is.

[aTigerslunch]

Spoiler

I think I'm pretty much done here, the moderator was so upset I said that I characterized the previous 200 pages about her curves or walk being sexual, as the thread was in fact about whether or there was simply a female inquisitor. I don't need to continue to be harassed every time I try and make a larger point when people fixate on every detail that is remiss when the statements are designed simply to make broader points for the most part. The message was simply that this thread, as far as I can tell, is focused on appearances, the 'presence' and not the 'character.' 

 

Meanwhile, the ironic fact that there isn't any concern taken with that whole other thread is wholly about her sexy walk or lack of sexy walk (which frankly belongs on a porn website) is beyond me. Additionally I've advocated numerous times for female characters with "depth," not as you suggest, just some object. In doing so, I've also been called an irredeemable sociopath , and a dozen other things (in addition to rampant mischaracterization of my own POV, as recently as 3 posts ago), and yet somehow that all escapes censure? That level of hypocrisy is truly overwhelming and I see no reason to continue to offer feedback in such an environment.

 

At any rate, before likely ceasing interest in this thread I'll be nice this time and tell you what I liked about femshep, it appeared to be demonstrating the essence of the character (in addition to her apperance). Honestly, I'd consider the female commander shepard to be a very solid character, even though she was simply presented as a protagonist. Her overall impression with Jennifer Hale voice acting and everything was cool, and it made me feel like "oh this is a cool character."

 

Here's a constructive idea, have a character that isn't like (many) people on this forum, someone who doesn't stress over all the details, someone who doesn't get so crazy upset because something wasn't completely and exactly the way it was, someone who isn't so tethered to reality, someone that instinctively likes things, not instinctively criticizes things. Someone who isn't hypersensitive to their image to the utmost, someone who can take criticism even if they view themselves as above and beyond. When the title said "femquisitor" I was thinking of some kind of burning fierce redhead with a passion for justice, halberd in hand and taking the fight to whoever in a kind of epic cinematic fight, not, "oh look, a female." I was thinking of an outfit that looked good and wasn't either over or under sexualized. I was thinking maybe she could have some gentle moments also. I was thinking maybe she could be excited about the adventure of going through all these forests and such in the Dragon Age universe. Of course, this is just a forum, I'm just some random person, it's not my job, I can't do the whole thing here exactly. 

 

I don't want you people to feel bad or anything because you have grasped onto something that stands a midst a lot of things you don't like, which is another reason why I should probably just go. 

 

Your instinctive placing of me in the camp of someone who is against all this representation because it's not regressive like my supposed other games is fatal to your collective causes, it simply doesn't occur to most of you that I'm criticizing as a way of being 'more progressive' (if that's the term you want to use), perhaps because you are not used to it. I don't play like, any of the other games out for the most part, very, very, few. 

 

Another thing you fail to understand is I've actually hesitated many times in the past to criticize the likes of Bioware and such based on the fact that I felt kind of harsh criticizing the ones who seem to be moving out of much of the boring mainstream stuff, but I say it because I really believe you can revisit these things at a later date and see what I'm talking about. I'm not making this stuff up, you can't believe (it seems to me) that there is someone out there that views Bioware as somewhat backwards, and the general Call of Duty etc. as essentially nothing. No, Bioware is the pinnacle, and the other games are crap, and everyone who says otherwise must be on of those dumb CoD fanboys that found there way in here and can't stand women. 

 

Nonetheless, a part of me was thinking maybe they could be a part of something truly spectacular, and not just kind of beat around the edges as they've been doing. Tomb Raider (2013 version) was pretty cool actually, I can just play that again. 

 

Perhaps not, though. If it comes down to it it's not really necessary that I play any of the Bioware games either, even if they're more compelling than most games out there, I was thinking it would be odd if I just didn't have any interest in most games.  

 

Well that was long, but as I said I am not really finding this very interesting or productive at this point being the only one taking these positions.

 

Exactly what I wrote in a previous post, "characterization" of femquisitor needs to be bland cause it is our creation. I do not want any built in, FemShep that was shown was a canon choice, which could be used, just like the male canon. DA:I is trying to pull away from having a canon it seems. You want her to have an interesting characterization, at least that is what I read on what you wrote. I know I dont, and think there are quite a few others that prefer no canon either.  I dont need to put examples of canon stuff in this thread cause too many bash those out in other threads.

[Bugsie]

I think I'm pretty much done here

For someone who says they have no intention to play the game on release, you sure spend a lot of time in the DA:I section demonstrating your lack of reading comprehension and refusing to respond to those refuting your arguments.

In addition, you have woefully misrepresented what this thread is about, what it means to many of us and how much we are looking forward to rolling our female PC's with different races, alignments and with a great deal of heart and soul behind it.

I think you are.  Let's get back to the topic of the thread, shall we?

Yay!

Anyhow, given an option and the game is compelling enough for you to replay many times over, do you see yourselves replaying the same female inquisitor (albeit with differing alignments and outcomes in the story) or trying different races and possibly gender?

I like a variety of PC types in Dragon age and feel more compelled to try as different races and gender, compared with ME where the majority of pt I had were vanguard femShep. Having such a huge diversity in not only class but specialisation also makes the original choice for DA:I harder!

[Nefla]

Showing some female friends that latest femQuisitor gameplay trailer just made them decide to try out Origins so they will be ready for Inquisition this fall! Whooo! Marketing at work!

 

 

It also made them decide to preorder...which they had been on the fence about.

Awesome I never would have played DA:O (the advertising made it look like a generic orc slaying story-light dudebro game) if my cousin hadn't brought it over and said "here, play this."

 

I can't wait to roll my first lady inquisitor, I'm totally going to make a doll/action figure of her (I make dolls >.<) and it will be glorious! I wish we could get our hands on the CC T_T

[Bugsie]

I came to DA:O after playing ME2 and learning that Bioware had other games where you could role a female PC. The unvoiced protag threw me off a little, but personally, I loved it.

[Lady Nuggins]

Yay!

Anyhow, given an option and the game is compelling enough for you to replay many times over, do you see yourselves replaying the same female inquisitor (albeit with differing alignments and outcomes in the story) or trying different races and possibly gender?

I like a variety of PC types in Dragon age and feel more compelled to try as different races and gender, compared with ME where the majority of pt I had were vanguard femShep. Having such a huge diversity in not only class but specialisation also makes the original choice for DA:I harder!

 

I definitely plan on playing multiple races and classes, and I'll do at least one male playthrough.  Though, I almost always wind up making the same choices in these games because I have a hard time playing an evil or overly aggressive character.  It will be interesting to see if DAI follows the Dragon Age tradition of making some of the major choices morally questionable either way, rather than the more straightforward paragon/renegade approach.

[CuriousArtemis]

Anyhow, given an option and the game is compelling enough for you to replay many times over, do you see yourselves replaying the same female inquisitor (albeit with differing alignments and outcomes in the story) or trying different races and possibly gender?

 

Yep, yep, I plan to play a male Dalish archer, male Dalish mage, female human warrior, and female rogue dwarf. The only 'type' of character I tend to play multiple versions of are male elves; I just have always loved them since I was young and I just love playing as that type of character. But for females it's fun playing different kinds. (I don't mind playing male humans and had far more male Hawke's than female, but when given the race option... yeah).

[oceanicsurvivor]

Awesome I never would have played DA:O (the advertising made it look like a generic orc slaying story-light dudebro game) if my cousin hadn't brought it over and said "here, play this."

 

I can't wait to roll my first lady inquisitor, I'm totally going to make a doll/action figure of her (I make dolls >.<) and it will be glorious! I wish we could get our hands on the CC T_T

 

They're playing through the first Mass Effect right now (literally right now, and texting me all about Virmire ). And Inquisition really grabbed their attention. Huge Lotr fans, super excited by a fantasy world with female protags being awesome and epic.

 

I'm making my Inquisition wishlist right now. All the combos I want to try out. All races/genders/classes, but its a little light on dwarves, very heavy on various mages . Many will prolly nvr happen, but I like to dream about all this fake free time I'll have to play the game over and over   I usually make a lot of the same choices, since I have trouble making 'evil' playthroughs. But thats one reason I really like the Keep. I can import Hawkes I could nvr spend the time playing to create radically different world states for my Inquisitors. My Canon and Anti-Canon Universes, as they will be labeled in the keep

[Bugsie]

I struggle with pure evil characters too. I have one full renegade femShep, who's reckless but not necessarily selfish. She is kinda awesome, but some decisions were very difficult to make, because they just came across as just being mean for no good cause other than being selfish. (And that's not how I picture the definition of a renegade)

[CuriousArtemis]

And Inquisition really grabbed their attention. Huge Lotr fans, super excited by a fantasy world with female protags being awesome and epic.

 

I wonder if some titles know how much $$$$ they are missing out when they don't give players the option to customize their character, including gender and sexuality.

 

I've yet to buy a game where I was forced to play a straight male.

[HuldraDancer]

Awesome I never would have played DA:O (the advertising made it look like a generic orc slaying story-light dudebro game) if my cousin hadn't brought it over and said "here, play this."

 

I can't wait to roll my first lady inquisitor, I'm totally going to make a doll/action figure of her (I make dolls >.<) and it will be glorious! I wish we could get our hands on the CC T_T

 

I found DAO the same way! My cousin lent me his copy after showing me some of his saved game and said 'play it. Take it home if you must but play it' If I had only seen the adds I probably wouldn't have played it so I'm thankful he showed me the game first. I wish I hadn't given him back his copy though I miss that game.

[SardaukarElite]

Awesome I never would have played DA:O (the advertising made it look like a generic orc slaying story-light dudebro game) if my cousin hadn't brought it over and said "here, play this."

 

DA:O's marketing was really something quite special. Though to be fair I believe they did have some narrated walkthroughs showing the different possible Wardens like Inquisition has done.

[Bugsie]

Yep, yep, I plan to play a male Dalish archer, male Dalish mage, female human warrior, and female rogue dwarf. The only 'type' of character I tend to play multiple versions of are male elves; I just have always loved them since I was young and I just love playing as that type of character. But for females it's fun playing different kinds. (I don't mind playing male humans and had far more male Hawke's than female, but when given the race option... yeah).

I've generally not been an elf fan, but this time I'll likely play an male elf, because I thoroughly enjoyed my Dalish elf warrior in DA:O. So qunari fem first then a male elf. Classes and specialisations will depend on what is offered to us!

[Lady Nuggins]

I wonder if some titles know how much $$$$ they are missing out when they don't give players the option to customize their character, including gender and sexuality.

 

I've yet to buy a game where I was forced to play a straight male.

 

See, I don't mind a set protagonist in a game where it's appropriate.  If the character's personality, appearance, and history add to the overall story and tone of the game, then a set protagonist really contributes something that a customizable one can't, simply because the game is able to support and explore those things.  The problem is that so many set protagonists are the same straight white guy, and so many of them don't bother exploring the character.

 

I'm playing Remember Me, and I can't imagine this game with any protagonist other than Nilin.  Her gender, her race, her childhood, all contribute to the game in vital ways.  If more games branched out with their set protagonists, it would make for much more interesting games overall.

[oceanicsurvivor]

See, I don't mind a set protagonist in a game where it's appropriate.  If the character's personality, appearance, and history add to the overall story and tone of the game, then a set protagonist really contributes something that a customizable one can't, simply because the game is able to support and explore those things.  The problem is that so many set protagonists are the same straight white guy, and so many of them don't bother exploring the character.

 

I'm playing Remember Me, and I can't imagine this game with any protagonist other than Nilin.  Her gender, her race, her childhood, all contribute to the game in vital ways.  If more games branched out with their set protagonists, it would make for much more interesting games overall.

 

Absolutely! Deus Ex: Human Revolution and the Uncharted series are some of my favorite games. I like both of the main characters a lot, and I have no problem playing as them. Drakes a fun and charming personality and Adam Jensen, while not quite as interesting, is still a fun character to me. Watch Dogs and Far Cry 3 however? Both are Ubisoft games that were too afraid to break from the mold even when it would have better served the project to have a protagonist who was not a straight white male. I'm fine with fixed characters, but I want to see some diversity. For all the criticism we have rightly leveled at Ubisoft for its lack of female protags in the main series of Assassins Creed, they have done other things to add diversity to that line up. The first game featured a Middle Eastern man as the lead and the third featured a Native American man. ...However now two games are coming out this year with white guys...so...they do deserve some heat this year haha

[Ryzaki]

I thoroughly enjoy playing "evil" females.

 

Particularly since they win and can't be put in their "place" XD

[Tayah]

Anyhow, given an option and the game is compelling enough for you to replay many times over, do you see yourselves replaying the same female inquisitor (albeit with differing alignments and outcomes in the story) or trying different races and possibly gender?

I like a variety of PC types in Dragon age and feel more compelled to try as different races and gender, compared with ME where the majority of pt I had were vanguard femShep. Having such a huge diversity in not only class but specialisation also makes the original choice for DA:I harder!

Yep I think I'll be replaying with different races and classes though I'm leaning toward female qunari mage first. Mages are usually my favourite class but in DA verse I usually try the others as well and I imagine I'll have a few qunari, elf and human inquisitors in time as well. Dwarves I start but for some reason often don't finish so not sure about my chances of completing a dwarven inquisitor but I like that they're there and I'm sure they'll tempt me to try again anyway. 

 

I'm another person who tends to find it difficult to play evil characters so I suspect I'll have a lot of similar results but with several missions being dependant on where you spend resources I expect to see different enough content with each to keep things interesting anyway.

 

Also most of my femsheps were vanguard as well with the occasional infiltrator and I think one sentinel... vanguards are fun 

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

I think I'm pretty much done here, apparently it was so upsetting I said that I characterized the previous 200 pages of this thread to be about " curves or walk being sexual," as the thread was in fact about whether or there was simply a female inquisitor. I don't need to continue to be harassed every time I try and make a larger point when people fixate on every detail that is remiss when the statements are designed simply to make broader points for the most part. The message was simply that this thread, as far as I can tell, is focused on appearances, the 'presence' and not the 'character.' Fine, the previous 200 pages seem to largely be focused on 'appearances' and not necessarily on her 'character.' You all have stated numerous times the point was simply to get her in the material, just her image, and that's the information I've been going off as much as anything. 

 

Meanwhile, the ironic fact that there isn't any concern taken with that whole other thread is wholly about her sexy walk or lack of sexy walk (which frankly belongs on a porn website) is beyond me. Additionally I've advocated numerous times for female characters with "depth," not as you suggest, just some object. In doing so, I've also been called an irredeemable sociopath , and a dozen other things (in addition to rampant mischaracterization of my own POV, as recently as 3 posts ago), and yet somehow that all escapes censure? That level of hypocrisy is truly overwhelming and I see no reason to continue to offer feedback in such an environment.

 

At any rate, before likely ceasing interest in this thread I'll be nice this time and tell you what I liked about femshep, it appeared to be demonstrating the essence of the character (in addition to her apperance). Honestly, I'd consider the female commander shepard to be a very solid character, even though she was simply presented as a protagonist. Her overall impression with Jennifer Hale voice acting and everything was cool, and it made me feel like "oh this is a cool character."

 

Here's a constructive idea, have a character that isn't like (many) people on this forum, someone who doesn't stress over all the details, someone who doesn't get so crazy upset because something wasn't completely and exactly the way it was, someone who isn't so tethered to reality, someone that instinctively likes things, not instinctively criticizes things. Someone who isn't hypersensitive to their image to the utmost, someone who can take criticism even if they view themselves as above and beyond. When the title said "femquisitor" I was thinking of some kind of burning fierce redhead with a passion for justice, halberd in hand and taking the fight to whoever in a kind of epic cinematic fight, not, "oh look, a female." I was thinking of an outfit that looked good and wasn't either over or under sexualized. I was thinking maybe she could have some gentle moments also. I was thinking maybe she could be excited about the adventure of going through all these forests and such in the Dragon Age universe. Of course, this is just a forum, I'm just some random person, it's not my job, I can't do the whole thing here exactly. 

 

I don't want you people to feel bad or anything because you have grasped onto something that stands a midst a lot of things you don't like, which is another reason why I should probably just go. 

 

Your instinctive placing of me in the camp of someone who is against all this representation because it's not regressive like my supposed other games is fatal to your collective causes, it simply doesn't occur to most of you that I'm criticizing as a way of being 'more progressive' (if that's the term you want to use), perhaps because you are not used to it. I don't play like, any of the other games out for the most part, very, very, few. 

 

Another thing you fail to understand is I've actually hesitated many times in the past to criticize the likes of Bioware and such based on the fact that I felt kind of harsh criticizing the ones who seem to be moving out of much of the boring mainstream stuff, but I say it because I really believe you can revisit these things at a later date and see what I'm talking about. I'm not making this stuff up, you can't believe (it seems to me) that there is someone out there that views Bioware as somewhat backwards, and the general Call of Duty etc. as essentially nothing. No, Bioware is the pinnacle, and the other games are crap, and everyone who says otherwise must be on of those dumb CoD fanboys that found there way in here and can't stand women. 

 

Nonetheless, a part of me was thinking maybe they could be a part of something truly spectacular, and not just kind of beat around the edges as they've been doing. Tomb Raider (2013 version) was pretty cool actually, I can just play that again. 

 

Perhaps not, though. If it comes down to it it's not really necessary that I play any of the Bioware games either, even if they're more compelling than most games out there, I was thinking it would be odd if I just didn't have any interest in .. like... "any" western games. It seems attempting to find some middle ground hasn't worked out though. 

 

Well that was long, but as I said I am not really finding this very interesting or productive at this point being the only one taking these positions. I'd say again that I would like to see DA:I succeed or Bioware games generally because there are so many shooters and disappointing games out there these days. However, they don't have this kind of juggernaut marketing/production blitz, they have to succeed on their strengths of concepts. As it is, their concepts are stronger than most probably, but to really make an impact I personally think they should be airtight and fiercely confident in order to overcome other potential issues. 

 

However, it is truly not essential (I'm not sure where you got the idea) that I be right and everyone acknowledges my position, or that Bioware does anything at all, or anything of that sort... so that's why this can just take it's course and I'll leave DA:I alone. 

Kinda the wrong topic to talk about depth since this is about the player character. How was female shepard any deeper than a male version, genitals aside? In fact apart form a different voice actor she's mostly recycled, often with a few too many things left behind.
Then again this thread has been off topic for like 200 pages and has main been a dragon-age-themed feminist hurah thread so id even k.

 

The sexy walk has nothing to do with sex. That's so weird.

Let's call it ridiculous walk then because frankly it looks ridiculous in combat and the more I see it the more distracting it is. We're discussing how stupid it is.

[Allan Schumacher]

I think I'm pretty much done here, apparently it was so upsetting I said that I characterized the previous 200 pages of this thread to be about " curves or walk being sexual," as the thread was in fact about whether or there was simply a female inquisitor. I don't need to continue to be harassed every time I try and make a larger point when people fixate on every detail that is remiss when the statements are designed simply to make broader points for the most part. The message was simply that this thread, as far as I can tell, is focused on appearances, the 'presence' and not the 'character.' Fine, the previous 200 pages seem to largely be focused on 'appearances' and not necessarily on her 'character.' You all have stated numerous times the point was simply to get her in the material, just her image, and that's the information I've been going off as much as anything.

 

Agreed that the thread has evolved beyond just the scope of more lady inquisitor.  It's kind of been a catch all for women in games, motivated in large part by the existence (and visibility) of a woman protagonist in the game.

 

The foundation on the thread, however, began from merely having the presence/existence.  A character that was clearly a woman, that could be easily and immediately recognizable from the stand point of letting people know quickly and precisely "You can play a woman in this game."  Now it might seem trivial because for you or me "well duh, of course you can!"  But as experiences of those in this thread have shown, there are those that have played (and loved) our games (and other games) that missed out on the games at first because the draw of being able to play as a woman was important for them and it wasn't clear.  There wasn't enough of a hook to get to the stage to even initially investigate the game for character creation options.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Anyhow, given an option and the game is compelling enough for you to replay many times over, do you see yourselves replaying the same female inquisitor (albeit with differing alignments and outcomes in the story) or trying different races and possibly gender?

 

I'm planning to play every race/gender combination once, which is what I did with Origins. (Yes, that means playing the game eight times. What is this 'life' you speak of?) That plan may change depending on stuff like romance options.

 

I always play a woman first, but across DAO and DA2 my gender ratio is 50/50. I have more male Wardens and more female Hawkes, though, for various reasons.