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[aTigerslunch]

FPS is a minority?  um.... Im lost on that one.  Sorry. Out of 50 people I do know that play games, rough estimate, rounding down since I know too many, play FPS over RPG. Yep, that is a minority in my area, yep yep.....

 

Straight white guy, I actually could only leave wiki to be lead about this, as there was massive lists that even one page couldn't handle over the one page of female protags I listed in past. I can relist these if necessary. The white guy really does exceed numbers than anyone else. 

 

But, as you said, not every game, no....just the majority does till recently that is changing a little.

[Samahl]

BTW, I wish you people would stop speaking on behalf of "the people of color". I'm a black male and I couldn't care less about the gender/ethnicity of a protagonist. As long as the character is interesting, I'll play as anyone/anything

 

You shouldn't speak on behalf of people of color either. I care a lot about representation, and many other people do as well.

[Mes]

FPS is a minoritry?  um.... Im lost on that one.  Sorry. Out of 50 people I do know that play games, rough estimate, rounding down since I know too many, play FPS over RPG. Yep, that is a minority in my area, yep yep.....

 

Straight white guy, I actually could only leave wiki to be lead about this, as there was massive lists that even one page couldn't handle over the one page of female protags I listed in past. I can relist these if necessary. The white guy really does exceed numbers than anyone else. 

 

But, as you said, not every game, no....just the majority does till recently that is changing a little.

 

I wonder if that's one of the reasons that some people are really drawn to games where you can create your own character.   I know for me it adds to immersion the way that other games (even ones I really like) don't.

[aTigerslunch]

By the way, has it been 30 pages roughly since the last debacle?

 

 

I know that they prefer FPS, and if that FPS does allow simulation of a change in appearance they use it as well.

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

FPS is a minority?  um.... Im lost on that one.  Sorry. Out of 50 people I do know that play games, rough estimate, rounding down since I know too many, play FPS over RPG. Yep, that is a minority in my area, yep yep.....

 

Straight white guy, I actually could only leave wiki to be lead about this, as there was massive lists that even one page couldn't handle over the one page of female protags I listed in past. I can relist these if necessary. The white guy really does exceed numbers than anyone else. 

 

But, as you said, not every game, no....just the majority does till recently that is changing a little.

 

Like I actually said, the majority of AAA FPS/TPS action games, which is not the majority of gaming as a whole, not even close. It's just those games get the most attention. A lot of them feature generic/nonsensical narratives with one-dimensional/boring characters. Having the MCs as females are not going to make the games more interesting.

 

But I'm not against more female representation in those games, FWIW. I just hate having the idea of gaming being reduced to just these blockbuster yearly annual games that are very shallow, when gaming can be (and is) so much more.

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

Case and point I just finished wrapping up the Walking Dead season 2. Not sure if the game classifies as "AAA" (probably not) but it was one of the best experiences I've had playing video games in quite a while. 

 

Full of interesting characters, lncuding the little black (mixed?) girl you play as; Clemetine.

[Puppy Love]

I need more games with a female protagonist.  It's gotten to the point where if a game does not allow me to play a female character I lose interest quickly.  One thing I really hate is when I need to jump through hoops to find out if a game has a female option available.  I'm past the point of compromise, if no female option, not getting my money, period. 

[Ziggy]

Every game doesn't feature a "straight white guy with dark hair" despite the feminist propaganda that leaves people like you to believe. And the ones that do are mostly action FPS/TPS AAA games, which makes up such a minority of gaming as a whole.

 

Case and point I just finished wrapping up the Walking Dead season 2. Not sure if the game classifies as "AAA" (probably not) but it was one of the best experiences I've had playing video games in quite a while. 

 

Full of interesting characters, lncuding the little black (mixed?) girl you play as; Clemetine.

 

Ummm... from your last few posts it seems like you are trying to argue that there is currently equal representation of women and people of colour in video games. Is that right? I may have misunderstood, but if not I'd be interested to know what planet you live on and if I can come and live there too.

[aTigerslunch]

Walking Dead maybe considered an AA or A title possibly, small teams though usually are referenced as B titles. In essence, Bound by Flame could be a top B game in respect of what I saw Devs and CEO's were saying on one site. Me, I wouldn't know, I just know that AAA is the big games, CoD, BF, Halo, Mass Effect, and any others that are created by more than just one small team. Where as B references Indie style, small teams or even a single person.

 

Honestly, having a female soldier (random) is a big difference to women that I see. Gears of War 3 is loved by three of my female cousins cause they can play a version of Anya or (other girls forgot her name). CoD, they don't see themselves and don't really care, as they feel they are the ones holding the gun, not the guy in the game, he cant be seen so they don't care. If it is a female, they jump all over it regardless. CoD could have a female, and sure enough they would be that. I know to many ladies that would jump at being a female, my best friends wives would jump to a game that allows female protags over male ones too. I tend to see this happen more than not. Yes, they may play the male but they actually do care. I see their excitement when I say it can be a female. I know at the store, couple of my friends there taken notice of that as well. It's not as uncommon as would think, women do want representation, even those that wont say so, just watch their picks of characters if females are widespread. I am sure you will see the lady picked, of course, there are male gamers that would antagonize such a pick too online.

[X Equestris]

Like I actually said, the majority of AAA FPS/TPS action games, which is not the majority of gaming as a whole, not even close. It's just those games get the most attention. A lot of them feature generic/nonsensical narratives with one-dimensional/boring characters. Having the MCs as females are not going to make the games more interesting.

Those FPS and TPS games are, however, where the industry makes big money. And if they think that they can continue to make tons of cash without changing their formula, that is what they'll do.

Speaking as a straight white male, I would be happy to see more diversity in protagonists. It would certainly liven up the shooter genres, which have almost never strayed from the template for the standard video game protagonist.

[Nefla]

You approach games with a list of requirements? Wow, you will be missing out. A lot. I can understand wanting to play as as woman - not many games feature that. But I don't understand being so rigid about it. Sometimes you have to go into something blind before you discover you like it.

Everyone does, just not all of us are conscious of it. You don't go into a game store, hold out your hand, and buy the first game you lay your hands on. You look for things that appeal to you. If we didn't have any game buying requirements we'd all end up with a fair amount of Barbie's Dream House Adventures, learn to speak Portuguese through playing online checkers, Bass Fishing 23, etc...There's nothing wrong with only buying things that appeal to you.

[aTigerslunch]

I had a choice of not buying Barbie's Dream house Adventures?  I....am...at a loss for words. 

[Nefla]

Case and point I just finished wrapping up the Walking Dead season 2. Not sure if the game classifies as "AAA" (probably not) but it was one of the best experiences I've had playing video games in quite a while. 

 

Full of interesting characters, lncuding the little black (mixed?) girl you play as; Clemetine.

TWD was great, both seasons. I think it shows that people will still buy and love a game if it has someone other than generic focus test guy as the protagonist. I just wish there were more games like this and that more companies were willing to take that "risk" and give us a variety of characters rather than the same exact clone over and over.

[Puppy Love]

I never really play shooters, mostly because of the male protagonist only option.  Women can be soldiers too.

[HuldraDancer]

While I do not mind playing as a male PC (One of my first and favorite RPGs you could only be male) I do really prefer to play as a woman if I get the choice and if its a game where I tend to make more men than women for whatever reason I still enjoy having that choice. There is another game I really love but its very clear that playing as female was an after thought on that part since One you can only play as the female character until after the main story but thats alright with me because in the context of the story it makes a lot of sense why the female character is unavailable to play as completely and Two while there are 7-10 romances for men there are only 4 for women since there are more female characters than male. If they game didn't have a ton of other things I really like I probably wouldn't have picked it up to be honest but I was happy that I at least could play as a woman but I find it sad that she really truly was an afterthought. While I would play as males the option of playing female greatly increases the chances of my looking into a game and seeing if its something I want to get doing a more research on it then glancing at the cover and maybe reading the back so the option to choose gender should be out there in the open for all to see. I also happen to notice with the games I picked up at least if I have the option to play as female a lot of other things I tend to enjoy will be in the game as well this is just from my own experience from the games that I've bought and played.

[Nefla]

While I do not mind playing as a male PC (One of my first and favorite RPGs you could only be male) I do really prefer to play as a woman if I get the choice and if its a game where I tend to make more men than women for whatever reason I still enjoy having that choice. There is another game I really love but its very clear that playing as female was an after thought on that part since One you can only play as the female character until after the main story but thats alright with me because in the context of the story it makes a lot of sense why the female character is unavailable to play as completely and Two while there are 7-10 romances for men there are only 4 for women since there are more female characters than male. If they game didn't have a ton of other things I really like I probably wouldn't have picked it up to be honest but I was happy that I at least could play as a woman but I find it sad that she really truly was an afterthought. While I would play as males the option of playing female greatly increases the chances of my looking into a game and seeing if its something I want to get doing a more research on it then glancing at the cover and maybe reading the back so the option to choose gender should be out there in the open for all to see. I also happen to notice with the games I picked up at least if I have the option to play as female a lot of other things I tend to enjoy will be in the game as well this is just from my own experience from the games that I've bought and played.

What game are you talking about?

[HuldraDancer]

What game are you talking about?

 

It's called Rune Factory Tides of Destiny.

[Bugsie]

I cut my teeth on mainly FPS and RTS games and was mainly a FPS enthusiast until I happened upon RPG's. I never really thought too much about the gender of protagonists for FPS, because I was there just to shoot and get to the next level without dying too many times. However, it appears that stories in FPS are evolving, they'll never be as in depth as rpg's but the fact they are changing make me feel more invested in the idea of playing as my own gender in a FPS. I think developers are recognising this too.

[AlexiaRevan]

What do you call an FPS game? GTA? 

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

Ummm... from your last few posts it seems like you are trying to argue that there is currently equal representation of women and people of colour in video games. Is that right? I may have misunderstood, but if not I'd be interested to know what planet you live on and if I can come and live there too.

 

 

My point was people are looking at solely AAA action FPS/TPS games, and are trying to extrapolate that small subset of games to gaming as a whole, when it comes to equality.

 

People just focus on those games because their the most popular and make the most money. They are not the majority of games. There're Indies, Nintendo titles, RPGs, MMOs, MOBAs, mobile/casual, etc.

 

Plenty of genres and platforms that people can choose from.

[X Equestris]

What do you call an FPS game? GTA?

An FPS is a first-person shooter. Games like Call of Duty, Battlefield, and Halo are in the FPS genre. GTA is a third person shooter(TPS), as well as a sandbox game. Mass Effect is an RPG, but it has TPS combat.

[thehomeworld]

FPS is a minority?  um.... Im lost on that one.  Sorry. Out of 50 people I do know that play games, rough estimate, rounding down since I know too many, play FPS over RPG. Yep, that is a minority in my area, yep yep.....

 

I remember reading a chart that said shooters both FP and 3rd were only like 20% of the gaming market but you'd think it was 70% the way its all fussed over and every one needs da shooter bits tossed in games that shouldn't even have them.

[phantomrachie]

Every game doesn't feature a "straight white guy with dark hair" despite the feminist propaganda that leaves people like you to believe. And the ones that do are mostly action FPS/TPS AAA games, which makes up such a minority of gaming as a whole.

 

Go play some RPGs, Nintendo, or even mobile games, instead of pigeonholing "gaming" based on mindless FPS such as COD and Battlefield. (the stories in those games are crappy anyway) They're in the minority, despite being popular. 

 

I think this is a case where you just never noticed how lacking female characters in games are in general probably because of your gender.

 

I've been playing games since the days of the Mega Drive and let me tell you that older games are no heaven for female protagonists.

 

Certain games, like Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Alien Storm had female characters but the vast majority were still male characters, sure they might have been a robot, a blue hedgehog or a tasmanian devil but you were more than likely playing as a man.

 

I've spent most of my gaming life as a man and it was never because I never went looking for them but because for the most part they simply weren't there.

 

I still remember how it felt to play as Blaze in Streets of Rage, she was the first women with a name that I was able to play as.

[thehomeworld]

Walking Dead maybe considered an AA or A title possibly, small teams though usually are referenced as B titles. In essence, Bound by Flame could be a top B game in respect of what I saw Devs and CEO's were saying on one site. Me, I wouldn't know, I just know that AAA is the big games, CoD, BF, Halo, Mass Effect, and any others that are created by more than just one small team. Where as B references Indie style, small teams or even a single person.

 

Honestly, having a female soldier (random) is a big difference to women that I see. Gears of War 3 is loved by three of my female cousins cause they can play a version of Anya or (other girls forgot her name). CoD, they don't see themselves and don't really care, as they feel they are the ones holding the gun, not the guy in the game, he cant be seen so they don't care. If it is a female, they jump all over it regardless. CoD could have a female, and sure enough they would be that. I know to many ladies that would jump at being a female, my best friends wives would jump to a game that allows female protags over male ones too. I tend to see this happen more than not. Yes, they may play the male but they actually do care. I see their excitement when I say it can be a female. I know at the store, couple of my friends there taken notice of that as well. It's not as uncommon as would think, women do want representation, even those that wont say so, just watch their picks of characters if females are widespread. I am sure you will see the lady picked, of course, there are male gamers that would antagonize such a pick too online.

See even thought its FP and I can't see her, I hear her and that counts. I'd give COD another chance if they had a fem hero option for SP campeign and people either A) didn't treat her any differently or if they did she would just do her job and they'd have to eat their own words/actions. I mean the latest one has jet packs and mech suits you're telling me a woman can't wear a mech suit that will dispense the load of gear way better or use a jet pack to get her to her destination even faster? Wow....I can have mechs, fall off 5 stories w/o breaking a nail, and survive multiple stab wounds but being a woman well that's just unrealistic!

[X Equestris]

I remember reading a chart that said shooters both FP and 3rd were only like 20% of the gaming market but you'd think it was 70% the way its all fussed over and every one needs da shooter bits tossed in games that shouldn't even have them.

Remember that shooters are one of the most popular genres. Even if they make up a smaller part of the market, they make up for it with their earnings. That is why there are pushes for more shooter type feature: to capitalize on the popularity of shooters.