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[AlexiaRevan]

Dark Elves, my favourite race in Tamriel.

And not realistic... In a land of orcs, other elves, goblins and dragons. LOL.

Err........Tamriel? lol no no , we mean Dark Elf in the world of Fearun! 

[Fialka]

Guys!!! Is this Nyreen voice ? 

No, that's Alix Wilton Regan (I hope I spelled that right). Sumalee (who voiced Nyreen) will not have a British accent 

[AlexiaRevan]

So um..that is Traynor voice ?  Argh now I can't tell which is which anymore lol Well we haven't heard a female Inquisitor with Nyreen voice yet right ? I wanna hear her voice as Inquisitor.....

[Bugsie]

Ahhh okay, wrong setting!

Still I find calling something unrealistic in a fantasy setting a little silly at times. They still have fantastical critters and races that aren't human don't they?

If you're talking about 'not making sense within the lore' of that particular setting, that's a different matter.

[Not a Cat Doll]

Dark Elves, my favourite race in Tamriel.

And not realistic... In a land of orcs, other elves, goblins and dragons. LOL.

Yeahhhh! Elder Scrolls Dunmer/Dark Elves are fab!

 

Faerun Dark Elves.. I get the dislike, but then again, I hate the Forgotten Realms setting in general.

 

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[AlexiaRevan]

Nah , I think she mean unrealistic as how they were all crazy and seem their society was build on mostly backstab and live another day . One would think a society who encourage backstabbing and murder like that....would have very few peoples at best . I remember the elf in Fearun and the lore surrounding them and their queen Elysim and it was all wow they sound awesome . You meet their counterpart the dark elf and....you just wanna get out of there fast . Would been nice if they made them less crazy . I'm still waiting for a female dominant society where they aren't acting like Banshee 

[Grieving Natashina]

Ahhh okay, wrong setting!

Still I find calling something unrealistic in a fantasy setting a little silly at times. They still have fantastical critters and races that aren't human don't they?

If you're talking about 'not making sense within the lore' of that particular setting, that's a different matter.

Yeah, agreed.  I'm not a fan of them either, but I wouldn't call them unrealistic.  Not in any fantasy setting, at least not more so than any other fantasy race.  

 

It's always fascinating to see where some draw the "realistic" line.  The only thing that breaks my immersion is when the fantasy setting doesn't stick to their own rules.  For instance, it would throw me right out of the game if dwarves could be mages, even with the Fade Breaches.  It's an established rule in the lore that Dwarves don't have a connection to the Fade.  I know that this could be subject to change later (gods only know what sorts of long-term affects all of this Fade energy is going to have, even after the game,) but that's where the "unrealistic" part happens for me.  

 

Or, going by the Drow example, if the entire race had some sort of magical change that would make all of them Lawful Good.  That would be unrealistic to me, because it would completely disregard the previous established lore for the race.

[AlexiaRevan]

 

(gods only know what sorts of long-term affects all of this Fade energy is going to have, even after the game,) 

IT IS A TRAP! THAT GREEN ENERGY IS SYNTHESIS ! RUN! LOL 

[Puppy Love]

Nah , I think she mean unrealistic as how they were all crazy and seem their society was build on mostly backstab and live another day . One would think a society who encourage backstabbing and murder like that....would have very few peoples at best . I remember the elf in Fearun and the lore surrounding them and their queen Elysim and it was all wow they sound awesome . You meet their counterpart the dark elf and....you just wanna get out of there fast . Would been nice if they made them less crazy . I'm still waiting for a female dominant society where they aren't acting like Banshee 

Exactly they were too crazy.  If they made them more lawful evil it'd have worked.  The society was dysfunctional and would have collapsed quickly.  Orcs work as a chaotic evil society because they are disorganized raiders.  They don't settle, if they did, they'd collapse.  Dark Elves try to be a civilized society while being the one alignment that makes that completely ludicrous. 

[Brass_Buckles]

We don't even know if we are able to sit down . 

Just curios...but what if they do end up making a super fab dress for Female Inquisitor . In different colors no less...........

Can I whine though ?  Will I get cookie for compensation then ? 

 

Actually, sitting is confirmed.  We don't have that throne just for show, you know. 

[AlexiaRevan]

Hum but can you sit anywhere you want or is it Limited ? Would be nice if it wasn't limited . one thing I loved in skyrim (and after adding a mod that put gorgeous well stationed camp all over the map )..It was nice to just sit by a river and just wait for the sun to set . 

[Grieving Natashina]

Exactly they were too crazy.  If they made them more lawful evil it'd have worked.  The society was dysfunctional and would have collapsed quickly.  Orcs work as a chaotic evil society because they are disorganized raiders.  They don't settle, if they did, they'd collapse.  Dark Elves try to be a civilized society while being the one alignment that makes that completely ludicrous. 

If you take a look at a lot of the supplementary material for 3.0 and 3.5, most Drow are actually Neutral Evil, a perfectly fine alignment for keeping a government up and running.  

[Puppy Love]

If you take a look at a lot of the supplementary material for 3.0 and 3.5, most Drow are actually Neutral Evil, a perfectly fine alignment for keeping a government up and running.  

Why do I only remember seeing chaotic evil.  I mean changing it in suppliments is still changing it.  Neutral evil is fine, but the original with most of them being chaotic evil and thus the unstable irrational kind of psychopath it was totally fubar.

[Puppy Love]

Then again, D&D is notoriously bad for creating an alignment system then completely ignoring it when defining thing's alignments....  Dragon's especially...

[AlexiaRevan]

Yeah like putting Jaheira as True Neutral........when she wasnt . Gotta Love mods !

[Puppy Love]

Oh on a side off topic thing:

 

Apparently I'm not being kicked out after all.  All is good.  So I'm starting up another run of Origins....  Trying to decide on Noble or Castless for this run...

 

I'd really like to see the female dwarf Inquisitor in action come to think of it...

[Grieving Natashina]

Why do I only remember seeing chaotic evil.  I mean changing it in suppliments is still changing it.  Neutral evil is fine, but the original with most of them being chaotic evil and thus the unstable irrational kind of psychopath it was totally fubar.

I've been playing D&D for almost 30 years (no joke) and they've always been depicted as NE more than CE.  In the original edition from 1976, they were just known as evil, nothing chaotic or neutral about it.  In later books in 1980-1985, they were described as chaotic evil.   When the drow were fully introduced in 2.0, they were listed as being Neutral-Chaotic Evil.   Ed Greenwood himself wrote the Drow of the Underdark compedium, which has the race listed as primarily Neutral or Chaotic Evil.  The Drow haven't been purely CE since 1989.  

 

http://en.wikipedia....eons_&_Dragons)

 

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[Notshauna]

Yeah like putting Jaheira as True Neutral........when she wasnt . Gotta Love mods !

True Neutral is what really shows the weaknesses of the Alignment system, as it's really only usable on animals, people have biases and tendencies.

[jlb524]

Yeah like putting Jaheira as True Neutral........when she wasnt . Gotta Love mods !

 

Yeah, all Druids had to be True Neutral for 2nd ed rules. 

 

I did use the mod though XD

[Gwydden]

I've been playing D&D for almost 30 years (no joke) and they've always been depicted as NE more than CE.  In the original edition from 1976, they were just known as evil, nothing chaotic or neutral about it.  In later books in 1980-1985, they were described as chaotic evil.   When the drow were fully introduced in 2.0, they were listed as being Neutral-Chaotic Evil.   Ed Greenwood himself wrote the Drow of the Underdark compedium, which has the race listed as primarily Neutral or Chaotic Evil.  The Drow haven't been purely CE since 1989.  

 

http://en.wikipedia....eons_&_Dragons)

 

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An interesting dissertation by one of my favorite virtual people! 

 

I have been wanting to try this "classic roleplaying" thing I keep hearing about. But I largely prefer the online form, and that one has a tendency for people abandoning ship way long the game is over. You make me sad 

 

On drows, they don't hold the slightest bit of resemblance to any real life matriarchal society I have ever heard about. If that makes them unrealistic, it might help to apply those same standards to every popular fantasy race ever and see what comes from that 

[Puppy Love]

True Neutral is what really shows the weaknesses of the Alignment system, as it's really only usable on animals, people have biases and tendencies.

Depends on which version of true neutral you use, it also depends on how strong a tendency needs to be before it brings you fully into another alignment.  Most people do not tend towards any of the alignment extremes once you balance them out and decide whether they truly tend towards one alignment or another.  I perssonally have more character I describe as neutral with X tendencies, than being X, because they deviate too much in my opinion to be truly X.

 

The neutral versions of alignments are more likely than the double focus, Like Lawful neutral is more likely than lawful good or lawful evil in my opinion.  I personally say few people really make it to the alignment extremes.  Is also why I typically dislike species being given alignments, because whenever attempted to be described as such there's always too much contradiction, as species being extreme in the majority is not really that functional.

[Brass_Buckles]

Okay, sorry to end the D&D party but, let's try to keep it at least a little related to the Lady Inquisitor?  I get that dark elves and drow, from Elder Scrolls and D&D respectively, are both matriarchal, but DAI is not Elder Scrolls or D&D.

 

I don't mind a few tangents--and I doubt the mods do either--but this one's gone on for a while and I don't want us to be moved to the off topic lounge.

[Grieving Natashina]

Okay, sorry to end the D&D party but, let's try to keep it at least a little related to the Lady Inquisitor?  I get that dark elves and drow, from Elder Scrolls and D&D respectively, are both matriarchal, but DAI is not Elder Scrolls or D&D.

 

I don't mind a few tangents--and I doubt the mods do either--but this one's gone on for a while and I don't want us to be moved to the off topic lounge.

My apologizes for that.  If anyone wishes to discuss more about D&D and such, I'm active again on the forums, so hit me up with a PM.  

[Gwydden]

Well, I genuinely wish the showcased models in the official website didn't wear that stupid helmet and weren't so damn pale. The qunari is the only one that looks good so far, in my opinion.

[Deviija]

I've been playing D&D for almost 30 years (no joke) and they've always been depicted as NE more than CE.  In the original edition from 1976, they were just known as evil, nothing chaotic or neutral about it.  In later books in 1980-1985, they were described as chaotic evil.   When the drow were fully introduced in 2.0, they were listed as being Neutral-Chaotic Evil.   Ed Greenwood himself wrote the Drow of the Underdark compedium, which has the race listed as primarily Neutral or Chaotic Evil.  The Drow haven't been purely CE since 1989.  

 

I'll back Nat up on this one.  Beginning with 3rd Edition, Drow were usually Neutral Evil.  It's not to say that there are not chaotic evil aspects or that Drow NPCs cannot be chaotic evil, it's just the general 'norm', as a society, to see Neutral Evil instead from 3rd Edition through 3.5ed.  

 

In general, as a roleplayer, I really disliked the alignment system in D&D.  It becomes a mechanic to play within the bounds of, as well as the basis of "lol I cast detect evil/know alignment before this npc speaks so then I know if I can surprise round kill them first!" shenanigans.  Because basically anything with 'evil' in their alignment is deemed a threat in these adventures.  It can pull me out of the roleplay mindset when it goes on.  Many of the DMs I played with over the years would simply have DE and know alignments fail on NPCs in order to generate story, so we can actually roleplay out uncovering some mysterious NPC's motives instead of 'oops, evil, bye.'  

 

Edited to Add:  To keep it on topic, I plan on my Dwarven Femquisitor to fall within the spectrum of 'neutral evil.'  She's going to be self-interests first, cutthroat, and if her goals and plans happen to help others as a byproduct, then hey, win-win.  I hope people/companions/the game calls us out on being terrible people, too, that's always enjoyable.