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[Verly]

five hours a week? a week??? a hardcore gamer plays 5 hours a week. wow. 

 

 Plus, that do not dispute anything. gamers play games. Only dudebros  (and apparently this marketing research company) seem to think that there is a difference in the type of game one plays.  did they ask how many hours these so called "causal" gamers play their games, because I'm betting it's over 5 hours a week. 

 

take me for example.  I play *all* games. I play casual games. I play AAA games, I play indie games. heck, I play cookie clicker.  so, would this survey only include me as a casual gamer because in addition to all the games I play it includes casual games?

[prosthetic soul]

I am so tempted to post a topic that states "Could we Please see More of the Gentleman Inquisitor?"

[Verly]

@Chronoid   is there anything stopping you (or anyone else) from doing that?

[prosthetic soul]

@Chronoid   is there anything stopping you (or anyone else) from doing that?

The moderators.  They might see it as a superfluous thread and close it.  Also, it may be considered as a "bait" topic by some of the more hypersensitive folk 'round here.  Much you still have to learn, about the forum ways, young padawan. 

[Lady Nuggins]

So I bumped into this article. www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137348-NPD-Survey-Shows-Core-Gamers-Are-Male-Casual-Gamers-Are-Female
It puts to rest the myth that 49% of gamers are female. The study in the article has found that only 1/5 gamers are female. So no, there's no conspiracy to put down female gamers; They are merely a small fraction of AAA publishers' potential audience, that's why there are fewer female protagonists and fewer ads targeted towards female gamers.

 

First, I'd hardly call 1/5 a small fraction.  Even if that accurately represents the Bioware fanbase, that's thousands of people.  Far more people than the amount who played a dwarf in Dragon Age Origins.

 

Second, there's plenty of debate about what qualifies as a hardcore game vs. a casual game.  For this survey, "core games" includes "Action/Adventure, Fighting, Flight, Massively Multi-Player (MMO), Racing, Real Time Strategy, Role-Playing, Shooter, or Sport games."  I wouldn't have considered a sports or racing game hardcore, personally, and both of those happen to be heavily male-dominated.

 

Third, this survey does not include console gamers.  I only play casual games on my laptop, because I play the bigger games on my console.  

 

Fourth, are you saying the women in this thread just magically don't exist now?

[Wulfram]

Looking for more specific figures is good.

 

I believe David Gaider said that Bioware's telemetry said that 30% of the Dragon Age audience were female?

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

This is a good thread talking about the female inquisitor & women who like the gaming industry in general, it gets kinda irritating that some people feel the need to regularly come in with the "lol women ain't real gamers" & "you don't deserve any recognition, games are for dudes" arguments. If you wanna say the male inquisitor should be seen abit more then make a thread about it instead of coming in here saying BW should stop showcasing the female Inq or that people who are sick of seeing the same type of male character on nearly every game cover somehow hate "the straight white male"

[Lennard Testarossa]

Looking for more specific figures is good.

 

I believe David Gaider said that Bioware's telemetry said that 30% of the Dragon Age audience were female?

 

Wasn't that the percentage of people who created female characters?

[Bugsie]

Casual gamers aren't gamers? Wut? I get fed up with these 'what constitutes a real gamer' bs comments.

The moderators.  They might see it as a superfluous thread and close it.  Also, it may be considered as a "bait" topic by some of the more hypersensitive folk 'round here.  Much you still have to learn, about the forum ways, young padawan.

You could petition the guy who created the 'can we see more of the male inquisitor thread' to change the title.

They had a mShep thread I really didn't see that as a 'bait topic'. It's fairly obvious a number of people will play the male Inquistor, myself included.

>>>>has 122 posts

>>>>calls someone with 1000 posts 'padawan'

>>>> you are no Obi Wan Kenobi Sir!!

[Wulfram]

Wasn't that the percentage of people who created female characters?

 

Maybe.  Still a pretty relevant number.

[Lennard Testarossa]

Casual gamers aren't gamers? Wut? I get fed up with these 'what constitutes a real gamer' bs comments.

 

Whether or not they are 'gamers' is irrelevant. However, what is relevant when discussing AAA titles are the people who actually play AAA titles, not the people who play games in general.

[Verly]

They include "Action/Adventure, Fighting, Flight, Massively Multi-Player (MMO), Racing, Real Time Strategy, Role-Playing, Shooter, or Sport games" as not casual.  

 

 Looking at those categories as a lifelong gamer (38 years.. ok..ok, I did not start playing as a baby, but what year did my Dad get that Vick 20...?) fighting, flight, racing, and sports games, are all "casual" and would be in the same dang category as the so called "causal" games, (oh, are simulation games listed here too?)    the second category would be FPS, MMOs, RTS, RPG and action adventure games.   I did not see a mention of indie games in the report.  How does one do a marketing study of PC gaming and not ask any questions about indie games? 

 

Oh, and @Bugsie  haha, thanks, I noticed the thread count too, but decided it wasn't worth replying.

[Wulfram]

Whether or not they are 'gamers' is irrelevant. However, what is relevant when discussing AAA titles are the people who actually play AAA titles, not the people who play games in general.

 

Well, the wider players of computer games may be of some relevance as a potential audience.  After all, the industry wants to grow

[Lady Nuggins]

Whether or not they are 'gamers' is irrelevant. However, what is relevant when discussing AAA titles are the people who actually play AAA titles, not the people who play games in general.

 

Right, but "AAA titles" is a really really broad range of genres.  You can't say that the consumer base for Madden 15 is going to be exactly the same as the consumer base for Dragon Age.  That is such a broad spectrum of interests.  And again, I question the kinds of games they chose to include as "core" games, if sports games count.  If they include Minecraft, for instance, do they also include The Sims?  How about Harvest Moon or Animal Crossing?  I wish there were more details about the data they used.  Like, these are important numbers to have, but it's also important to look at the methodology and not jump to conclusions.

 

Anyway, even if we take that number at face value and agree that all AAA games can expect to have a player base that is exactly 1/5 female... would it not follow that about 1/5 of AAA games should have a female protagonist, and 1/5 of each game's marketing should be geared towards women?  Goodness, if 50 AAA games came out next year, that would mean 10 of them would have to be female-led games! 

[aTigerslunch]

First, I wanted to make a mention.  I noticed that Saints Row 4's expansion is called Gat out of Hell, the producers felt it necessary and warranted to allow Kinzie to be playable along with Gat as well, both very highly rated known characters.  I found this news awesome.    

 

There is another new one being brought to light from Square with a female character, Life is Strange.  Its good to know.

 

One that failed me in marketing however was Infamous Son First Light.  I wasnt aware it was a female story till I read a review after it been out?  I had no idea... and another failure on marketing women, if it had been given the same marketing as Second Son, I would of heard about it alot more than just a review after it released.  That is very sad and shouldnt of happened.

 

 

So I bumped into this article. www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137348-NPD-Survey-Shows-Core-Gamers-Are-Male-Casual-Gamers-Are-Female
It puts to rest the myth that 49% of gamers are female. The study in the article has found that only 1/5 gamers are female. So no, there's no conspiracy to put down female gamers; They are merely a small fraction of AAA publishers' potential audience, that's why there are fewer female protagonists and fewer ads targeted towards female gamers.

A survey about hard core and casual where alot of these said people are now 20 to 40 years old and have kids.  Casual is the same as Hard core and visa versa in my opinion. A gamer is a gamer, regardless how much time they can spend in a game. I cant call myself a hard core gamer, but I play more than what it entails that is considered casual.  This study is bogus.  I am casual but play "hardcore" games.  I mostly play RPG, and only a few FPS, the rest I am not interested in, at the same time I dont play what is called "casual" games by some people.  Casual that plays Core..... yeah.. that makes that study right?  nope.  I am one among many that doesnt fit that study. Which I never knew about so it isnt a proper study.  A proper study would signal to everyone hey!!  answer this question please as part of a study, not just whomever happened to seen it.

 

I am so tempted to post a topic that states "Could we Please see More of the Gentleman Inquisitor?"

 

That can be done if wished sir.  There is one about seen more male qunari... of course cause it was shown it was posted in responses and the thread went moot. Meaning, they already did, but could go to that thread, I posted in my previous post about it.  Enjoy.

They include "Action/Adventure, Fighting, Flight, Massively Multi-Player (MMO), Racing, Real Time Strategy, Role-Playing, Shooter, or Sport games" as not casual.  

 

 Looking at those categories as a lifelong gamer (38 years.. ok..ok, I did not start playing as a baby, but what year did my Dad get that Vick 20...?) fighting, flight, racing, and sports games, are all "casual" and would be in the same dang category as the so called "causal" games, (oh, are simulation games listed here too?)    the second category would be FPS, MMOs, RTS, RPG and action adventure games.   I did not see a mention of indie games in the report.  How does one do a marketing study of PC gaming and not ask any questions about indie games? 

 

Oh, and @Bugsie  haha, thanks, I noticed the thread count too, but decided it wasn't worth replying.

 

Oh, I forgot to add a couple RTS's to my list of games, RPG, few FPS and couple RTS's (StarCraft), as well as Saints Row series. But I am a casual player.     Not interested in the others.  I agree, that study isnt useful. 

 

I replied to send him to the thread appropiate though. 

[Stelae]

So I bumped into this article. www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137348-NPD-Survey-Shows-Core-Gamers-Are-Male-Casual-Gamers-Are-Female
It puts to rest the myth that 49% of gamers are female. The study in the article has found that only 1/5 gamers are female. So no, there's no conspiracy to put down female gamers; They are merely a small fraction of AAA publishers' potential audience, that's why there are fewer female protagonists and fewer ads targeted towards female gamers.

 

1.  No, actually, it confirms the data (calling it a myth just shows you haven't read the thing properly, BTW) that gamer gender is split 51/49.  From the press release:

 

PC gamers are just as likely to be men as they are women, with 51 percent and 49 percent, respectively. They tend to be older, with an average age of 38 years, and affluent, with an average household income of $69k.

 

2.  What's that you say?  AAA companies spend and advertise less to try and attract women, and have few female protagonists, and so women are more likely to play other games?  Jeepers, I wonder why?

 

3.  It ignores consoles entirely, even though a lot of AAA games these days are developed for consoles (including DAI) and some are console exclusive (Red Dead Redemption, The Last of Us, Uncharted). 

 

(Also: 5 hours a week?  Holy hells, I'm about 5 hardcore gamers, all by myself!)

[WildOrchid]

5 hours a week? This is like the most hilarious shite i've ever read.

[RevilFox]

I'd also really like to see what the exact same survey would have produced last year, or will produce next year. If 20% of "Hard Core" gamers are female, and females only comprised 10% of "Hard Core" gamers last year, then that is a pretty significant increase that publishers should probably be paying attention to.

 

I also agree with Lady Nug, above, that Sports games really shouldn't count as "Hard Core" games. I love sports games, mostly because they're really easy to play while I'm doing something else, i.e. casually. 

[Ryzaki]

5 hours a week? This is like the most hilarious shite i've ever read.

 

You'd think that's the requirement for a casual if anything.

[Afro_Explosion]

This is kinda offtopic but I want to thank the women of the BSN from making me realize I was an *******. Before I found the forum I was just another entitled high school jock who thought bros before hoes was a way of life. I stumbled onto a diversity thread then found a post about all the things women go through. Reading about her and other experiences made actually use the internet to find about feminism, and see that women aren't disregarded by just individuals it's society too. Its hard to rewrite years of ingrained behavior but at least I'm not a guy on his way to being a douchebag frat bro.

[AlexiaRevan]

I hate statistic , in everything . 'Here X number of gamers females , here Y number of lesbians...here Z number of pokemon' . I hate statistic . Humans , peoples..males and females...are not numbers .

There are peoples who play and don't care for the internet polls, so they never see these polls (I never do) .  There are peoples who play games in different country and have a limited access to the internet . Yet they still purchase the game...they just don't go around voting for statistic . 

 

I don't like statistic , because usually 1) we never know where they got their numbers . and 2) peoples denie often the numbers they don't like...and shove in your face the one they want . 

 

As for the casual gamer crap , seriously ? for me a hardcore gamer is someone who enter in competition . My elder brother was  a hardcore chess player for he kept entering chess competition . Another friend traveled all around Québec for these competition . 

Someone who play farm games on facebook is a Gamer , just like I only play on PC and some only play on their chosen console . Seriously...drop the statistic crap and the label with it . 

[Bugsie]

This is kinda offtopic but I want to thank the women of the BSN from making me realize I was an *******. Before I found the forum I was just another entitled high school jock who thought bros before hoes was a way of life. I stumbled onto a diversity thread then found a post about all the things women go through. Reading about her and other experiences made actually use the internet to find about feminism, and see that women aren't disregarded by just individuals it's society too. Its hard to rewrite years of ingrained behavior but at least I'm not a guy on his way to being a douchebag frat bro.

I think you'll find that's part of growing up. I'm sure you would have got there with or without BSN.

 

In regard to playing games - 5 hours a week I can relate to on some level. I played a hell of lot more before having a child. I rarely play games on my phone or tablet though (once in a blue moon) I prefer to PC or console games if I get a chance to play (usually at night after buglet is in bed) but then you also have competing interests, like reading and watching TV shows or movies.

[Stelae]

You'd think that's the requirement for a casual if anything.

 

I do think that's a terminological problem no one has ever addressed. 

 

People who want to excise a certain type of player from the definition of "gamer" use the word "casual" to either mean that the people in question don't play the right games, or that they don't devote enough of their leisure to games.  Sometimes they conflate the two, or use them interchangeably; whatever suits their argument. 

 

This isn't generally the way other human pursuits are evaluated.  If I'm a casual drinker, it has less (or nothing) to do with the quality of what I drink, and more to do with my attitude to it, and possibly the amount of time I devote to it.  Whether it's alcopops or fine, cold-climate Victorian Shiraz, if I pop down to the bottle shop before a party, it's very different to keeping a cellar or running a blog, or petitioning the booze-makers of my choice for options and flavours.  Your love of a thing, the reason you devote time and energy to it defines how casual or non-casual you are. 

 

My dear old nana, who would get up in the middle of the night and play MS-Solitaire for hours at a time was "casual" (or Not A  Reeeeeeal Gamer) because she wasn't playing the Right Sort Of Game, even though she devoted many more hours to sitting and playing a game that I did at the time, and had a high degree of expertise.  Seriously; the woman never lost. And yet, I get to be called (Light) Core because I sit down and fiddle with the CC for Mass Effect for an hour on a weeknight before deciding I'm too tired, and going to bed? 

 

There's nothing meaningful or helpful in parsing the data that way.  It's just stupid gatekeeping.

[Lady Nuggins]

I think you'll find that's part of growing up. I'm sure you would have got there with or without BSN.

 

In regard to playing games - 5 hours a week I can relate to on some level. I played a hell of lot more before having a child. I rarely play games on my phone or tablet though (once in a blue moon) I prefer to PC or console games if I get a chance to play (usually at night after buglet is in bed) but then you also have competing interests, like reading and watching TV shows or movies.

 

I don't know, I think some people never really get there.  But knowing some people with mutual interests and having the chance to hear about their experiences can go a long way towards understanding what they go through.  I'm still learning about people with different struggles from my own, honestly, and places like the BSN, where we talk about this stuff quite often, really help facilitate that.  I'm glad BSN could be so valuable for you in that way, Afro_Explosion!

 

On this topic, then, do you guys feel that DAI would be an easy game to introduce a "casual" gamer to?  In this context, I mean somebody who is not familiar with RPG systems (classes, stats, levelling, inventory management, etc.).  How would you pitch it to a female gamer who has only ever played Mario and Candy Crush?

[AlexiaRevan]

Every game has a learning curve . Some will be harder to tame , while others will be easier . Some peoples can never get into  a game for personal reasons...or because it is too hard for them . 

 

 

How would you pitch it to a female gamer who has only ever played Mario and Candy Crush?

My roomate only play horrors survival games (Silent Hill , Resident Evil , The Suffering..etc) , and I play mostly rpg/strategy games . So when she wanted to give Neverwinter Night 2 a try . It was a nightmare . she coulddnt get out of the horror survival mindset . The whole time she found it more complicated . Too many things to memorize at once . She kept getting confused as how to get X bar up (spell) and her inventory was crammed with many weapons (again with the Horror survival games , she believed she had to drag many weapons to switch beetween them ) which in the end..just made her crawl because she was carrying too much .  

So in short.....she gave it up . Saying it was way too complicated (I dont believe age can be a factor..but my roomate is 63) . 

 

The only advice I can come up is : take your time , go at your own pace . In my case , I learn better by falling in love with something . I fall in Love with Baldurs Gate (which was in english)...and that made me practise my english so I could get trough the game