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[AlexiaRevan]

 

 I think that it really doesn't matter, there's nothing stopping a person who has only played Dance Central and Hexic from branching out, and playing those games doesn't make the player any less likely (or smart or capable enough) to play games like DA:I.

True . If peoples dont want to play DAI..it maybe cose they dont like this kind of games..not that they can't . I play rpg/strtagy game only . Doesn't mean I can't play sport games.......I just don't like them . I played sport games like baskeball games of the NBA on Sega and was good at it 

[Grieving Natashina]

True . If peoples dont want to play DAI..it maybe cose they dont like this kind of games..not that they can't . I play rpg/strtagy game only . Doesn't mean I can't play sport games.......I just don't like them . I played sport games like baskeball games of the NBA on Sega and was good at it 

I hear ya there.  I don't play sport games or FPS shooters, mainly because I usually don't enjoy those kinds of games.  I prefer games with a really good story, so I usually play RPGs.  However, I do like good actions games like God of War, the Devil May Cry series, and the Batman Arkham games because they have a really interesting plot.  

[AlexiaRevan]

 

I do like good actions games like God of War, the Devil May Cry series, and the Batman Arkham games 

Only heard of those..no idea what they are like   I find some games genre even if I don't play them...could have a good story . Horror Survival games for exemple have an amazing story (resident Evil , Silent Hill)..so I usualy find someone who can play them.....and just watch them . They can handle the scary game...I just want the story and charachter ! 

And contrary to belief......the whole story thing is popular . Even in old games ! take the 1st Street Fighter . It was a player vs computer which was all about fighting and making Upperfcut and stuff . But every charachter you choose had a starting personal story and an ending proper to them . Even Mortal Kombat did . 

[karushna5]

I have always enjoyed more "feminine" expressions of games, and more "masculine". Adventure search and clicks were ones I always liked, games where the problem is solved outside combat. Where realization is more importent than blood. I mean the heros journey is fun, but the heroines journey is insightful. One conquers death and rules their former lives, the other comes back from death and rejects the rules of their former life. One is ruled by combat by solving conflict, and the other investigation and cleverness.

I think we need more women in masculine stories, but I think it would be nice if there were more feminine stories to play, as well. I feel that is something beyond bioware, but I would love if there were more different kinds of play available.

[Lady Nuggins]

I have always enjoyed more "feminine" expressions of games, and more "masculine". Adventure search and clicks were ones I always liked, games where the problem is solved outside combat. Where realization is more importent than blood. I mean the heros journey is fun, but the heroines journey is insightful. One conquers death and rules their former lives, the other comes back from death and rejects the rules of their former life. One is ruled by combat by solving conflict, and the other investigation and cleverness.

I think we need more women in masculine stories, but I think it would be nice if there were more feminine stories to play, as well. I feel that is something beyond bioware, but I would love if there were more different kinds of play available.

 

You know, I've read that one of the key differences between the hero's journey and the heroine's journey is that, whereas the traditional hero's journey ends with him returning home, the heroine's journey ends with her creating a new family/tribe with her allies and moving forward with them.  Doesn't that sound like Dragon Age or Mass Effect?

[AlexiaRevan]

Hummm.......Both in Mass effect can end up marrying Talis/Liara (well though Miranda/Garrus but neither can make babies) . I mean both male and female Shep can . 

[Lady Nuggins]

Hummm.......Both in Mass effect can end up marrying Talis/Liara (well though Miranda/Garrus but neither can make babies) . I mean both male and female Shep can . 

 

Yes, I know it's the same basic story regardless of which gender you play.  I mean the format of the story has some elements of the heroine's journey.

 

"Family" doesn't just mean marriage and children, in this context.  Family can mean a group of friends who you are very close to.  I tried to clarify that by calling it a family or tribe.

[AlexiaRevan]

Hum..well I admit I didnt get what you mean . Are you saying that some hero and heroine are stuck with cliche ending^ like dude go home and dudette end up having to get a family ^ 

(ignore this ^ my keyboard is going wonky again) . 

[Lady Nuggins]

Hum..well I admit I didnt get what you mean . Are you saying that some hero and heroine are stuck with cliche ending^ like dude go home and dudette end up having to get a family ^ 

(ignore this ^ my keyboard is going wonky again) . 

 

It's a narrative archetype.  Not every story that uses the Hero's Journey will be exactly the same, but they have many of the same symbolic elements.  The person who came up with the idea looked at mythology around the world and (although this is questionable) determined many of them followed this format.  Since then, many writers use the Hero's Journey as a template for their stories.  The best example is the original Star Wars trilogy.  

 

http://tvtropes.org/...TheherosJourney

 

• Departure: the Hero leaves the familiar world behind.
• Initiation: the Hero learns to navigate the unfamiliar world of adventure.
• Return: the Hero returns to the familiar world.

 

Some people have argued that not only is it a very male-centric way of writing stories, but that it just does not fit when applied to women's stories.  And one of the suggested ways that the Heroine's Journey is different is that more emphasis is placed on gathering allies and maintaining relationships with them.  So "family" is symbolic in this situation--it means any group of people who the heroine has chosen to stay with.  Friends, allies.  Party members.  

[AlexiaRevan]

And It<s....just look at the whole game with females options . Its made for males..then just switch gender and change the He for a She and drop a few stuff for females.....

Make me wonder if they really worked at it..would the story be different at all ^ 

[SamanthaJ]

It's a narrative archetype.  Not every story that uses the Hero's Journey will be exactly the same, but they have many of the same symbolic elements.  The person who came up with the idea looked at mythology around the world and (although this is questionable) determined many of them followed this format.  Since then, many writers use the Hero's Journey as a template for their stories.  The best example is the original Star Wars trilogy.  

 

http://tvtropes.org/...TheherosJourney

 

 

 

Some people have argued that not only is it a very male-centric way of writing stories, but that it just does not fit when applied to women's stories.  And one of the suggested ways that the Heroine's Journey is different is that more emphasis is placed on gathering allies and maintaining relationships with them.  So "family" is symbolic in this situation--it means any group of people who the heroine has chosen to stay with.  Friends, allies.  Party members.  

This has absolutely nothing to do with DA, but this made me think of Disney's Mulan who kind of had a Hero's Journey story. She also spent a lot of the movie dressed as a man. Most Disney Princesses tend to start a new life with their beau and "families". Ariel decided to live on land with Eric, Rapunzel lives in a castle with her biological parents and Eugene, Tiana kind of returned home, but she opened a restaurant and became successful and had a big new "family" alligator included etc. 

[Lady Nuggins]

And It<s....just look at the whole game with females options . Its made for males..then just switch gender and change the He for a She and drop a few stuff for females.....

Make me wonder if they really worked at it..would the story be different at all ^ 

 

Oh, I know that they wrote with the male character in mind first (at least for Mass Effect) and tacked the female one on after, but I just thought it was an interesting idea to look at.  I don't think the writers actually intended it that way.

 

This has absolutely nothing to do with DA, but this made me think of Disney's Mulan who kind of had a Hero's Journey story. She also spent a lot of the movie dressed as a man. Most Disney Princesses tend to start a new life with their beau and "families". Ariel decided to live on land with Eric, Rapunzel lives in a castle with her biological parents and Eugene, Tiana kind of returned home, but she opened a restaurant and became successful and had a big new "family" alligator included etc. 

 

Wow, you're right.  Disney is also a huge subscriber to the Hero's Journey concept (hey Lion King), but I never noticed how clearly divided those are.

 

I was researching this more, and it looks like I'm not the first to think about this.  Here's an analysis of Dragon Age II as the Heroine's Journey: http://flutiebear.tu...ften-overlooked

[Steelcan]

And It<s....just look at the whole game with females options . Its made for males..then just switch gender and change the He for a She and drop a few stuff for females.....

Make me wonder if they really worked at it..would the story be different at all ^ 

I don't see this changing anytime soon.

 

Having to re-work the entire story to make a more "Heroine's Journey" as opposed to a "Hero's Journey" seems a very tall order. 

[Nefla]

I don't see this changing anytime soon.

 

Having to re-work the entire story to make a more "Heroine's Journey" as opposed to a "Hero's Journey" seems a very tall order. 

There's no re-working if they planned this kind of story from the beginning (in a future title).

[Lady Nuggins]

I don't see this changing anytime soon.

 

Having to re-work the entire story to make a more "Heroine's Journey" as opposed to a "Hero's Journey" seems a very tall order. 

 

I have recently been informed that with the new Mass Effect, they started working on the female protagonist first this time instead of the male one. 

[Steelcan]

I have recently been informed that with the new Mass Effect, they started working on the female protagonist first this time instead of the male one. 

Do you have a source on that?

 

Because I find that very unlikely since even with FemShep's popularity she didn't even crack 20% of playthroughs

[kukumburr]

Do you have a source on that?

 

Because I find that very unlikely since even with FemShep's popularity she didn't even crack 20% of playthroughs

 

I don't know if this is the same thing Lady Nuggins is talking about, but this tweet from Ann Lemay says they chose to rig and animate the female PC first. Although the Mass Effect SDCC panel says they worked on the female PC at the same time as the male.

[aTigerslunch]

I find it funny.   Personally, anyone that plays any game is a gamer. I ignore hardcore and casual less I really need to signify something.

 

Perspectives....   Every gamer I know plays any type of game.  Meaning, I know too many men that played Sims, played Tetris, played picture puzzles as well as playing Witcher, CoD, BF series and such.  Their time is mixed on how much and where they are located as well. I know several females that play the same puzzle games and such, and they kick butt with CoD like there isnt a tomorrow. At the same time, they lack alot of time due to family obligations, each male and female is included and not excluded from that. Everyone is a casual player due to time, as well as a hardcore due to the games. And I mean, everyone is wrapped into one: Gamer. Doesnt matter what they play primarily.

 

I may find younger men that do this "hardcore" silly argumentative stuff, and they really do need to close their mouths, open their ears and eyes and look around alot closer.

 

The MMO crowds tend to be alot more immature than anything else to be honest. I played MMO's, its drama filled nonsense, and bunch of kids in that mess. I have a cousin that loves MMO's herself, and knows RPG quite well. A guy might look at her and think she is just a punk kid, due to her tattoo's and face piercings, they wouldnt consider her a gamer at first, till she starts blabbing about it.  I know, I saw this firsthand, she is my favorite hangout buddy, and I seen this happen.  Which, I just laugh at the senseless boys, and turn it back on them for trying to hurt my cuz. One of her boyfriends left her cause she was too much of a gamer even for him if that makes sense......guess he got tired of being beat by a girl?  No idea.   The whole last paragraph here is actual personal experience and watching first hand.

[AlexiaRevan]

 

I may find younger men that do this "hardcore" silly argumentative stuff, and they really do need to close their mouths, open their ears and eyes and look around alot closer.

I like that   close , open then aim . May just use it next time I see a d-bag lol 

 

Let's not forget , that 'gaming' expand to more then just to be hooked to a console or a PC . Cards are a game , heck alot of stuff can be called Gaming . And require skills and give as much fun . 

 

Too many peoples like their labels . I guess they must be compensating for something . Maybe it's an ego thing or a complex , if everyone is merely a 'gamer'...you are just tiny thing lost in the mass . If you are an 'Elite' or 'Hardcore' gamers , then you are part of a small group that distinct it self from the Mass . 

I wonder if being a sore loser has any connection...to it .

[aTigerslunch]

My dad makes fun of me on game entertainment.  I said, well, its about as wasteful time consumption as watching Cable or DirecTV, well, technically I consider gaming cheaper in my case, by a hundredfold.    His entertainment costs a whole dump load more than my entertainment.  He hasnt argued with me again since. 

 

EDIT:

 

I might consider the sore looser part as part of the reason possibly. We have a guy in our tabletop group that fancies himself as a "hardcore" tabletop gamer, gets treated as such. He makes characters in other groups that are specific powered, gaining benefits. He makes fun of my choice as playing a female in that group he is in with me. I couldnt face him off on it cause he didnt show.   I was going to say, if you fancy yourself as a hardcore or very experienced "role"player, then what is wrong with "role"playing any choice at all?  Besides, his gaming experiences is only half of mine. I played tabletop games before he was born, for that matter, any type of game. Even poker, which is Gaming, and is a Gamer too. Vegas calls all those poker players gamers.

[AlexiaRevan]

I personally get more of the 'No way Girls don't play games' or 'Yeah your bf must've taught you cose you still be a Noob' then anyone really telling me anything about being a hardcore gamers . I just tell them I have been playing since the Atari (and many weren't even born then) and that shut them up .  It feel good...to be old 

[Ianamus]

Some people have argued that not only is it a very male-centric way of writing stories, but that it just does not fit when applied to women's stories.  And one of the suggested ways that the Heroine's Journey is different is that more emphasis is placed on gathering allies and maintaining relationships with them.  So "family" is symbolic in this situation--it means any group of people who the heroine has chosen to stay with.  Friends, allies.  Party members.  

 

I don't really see how the "hero's journey" is male-centric. At least, not according to the three bullet points you quoted.

• Departure: the Hero leaves the familiar world behind.
• Initiation: the Hero learns to navigate the unfamiliar world of adventure.
• Return: the Hero returns to the familiar world.

None of these are particuarly male-orientated. Unless you are saying that the heroine would tend to form connections to the new world and decide to stay there. I admit the latest female equaivalent I saw (child of light) resulted in the heroine chosing to stay in the new world and protect her new allies rather than return to the comfort of her old life.

 

But then that is getting into stereotypes. Theres nothing to say that a male chaarcter couldn't come to care more for the new world or form close friendships, or that relationships and bonds would be all that mattered to the female hero, so I don't see how the formula is male-centric in and of itself. 

 

Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan are good examples of a story with a female protagonist which follow those criteria, and I don't think that they feel like it doesn't fit because of the female lead at all. They are classics.

[aTigerslunch]

hmmm....   I didnt think, and still dont think at this moment, hero's equals males and females grouped together, any gender of any kind including trans would still be Hero's.  When I speak specific genders then will seperate and say the hero and heroine.

 

I dont think its wrong to termed a group of Hero's as needing to say Hero's and Heroines when trying to keep it simple over being specific. The heroine of the story will be used of course when just a female alone.

[AlexiaRevan]

I personally when I see a hero and a heroine (seriously this word bug me lol) ......the difference often that I see , is that a Hero is expected to be a flirt and will marry someone . But it's optional . If he goes in his merry way and continue to fight the good fight , then it's a Great and Honorable endevour . 

If a female hero do the same , I just betcha alot of script stick her with her great LOVE and force them to be together . Oh sure , they may continue their advanture , but they will someday have to settle down and make babies . While a male hero may just get the 'Epic! he fall fighting the great cause , he shall be remembered forever and ever' . While a lady Hero become a 'Her name forgotten forever and ever , cose she is somewhere popping kids and still live on' . 

 

I maybe wrong , and it's just how I see it . I just look at that sentance that often is thrown if a male and a female both are the last of their specie . Who do you think will get asked 'But you must start a family' first ? the dude or the dudette ? 

[SardaukarElite]

I don't really see how the "heroes journey" is male-centric. At least, not according to the three bullet points you quoted.

 

I don't know nearly enough about the subject, but I think the Hero's Journey is considered masculine because it typically has a male protagonist. The Heroine's journey typically has female protagonists. Both can (and do) have protagonist's of either gender, they're just named after trends. I may be misunderstanding though.

 

I've read that Dragon Age 2 follows a Heroine's Journey. (edit) I see that Nuggins already pointed that out. Good job me.