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[aTigerslunch]

However, female hero's do get remembered.     Even if they given birth to kids. 

 

I would think both would be asked about the family thing. Just some dude's will try to force the dudette to marry someone in certain societies.

[AlexiaRevan]

Hum..I don't know about that . I rarely saw it , and there must be some trough in it , otherwise we wouldn't have so many cliché and stéreotype running about . And peoples wouldn't cling to these said stereotype so much if there was an alternative (aka be watever you want to be no matter what sex you are ) . 

 

 

I would think both would be asked about the family thing. Just some dude's will try to force the dudette to marry someone in certain societies

That is just it , everytime I see that question . It always the job of the dudette . Seriously , I even saw it recently....in a thread and again , that make me go 'Is it something in our forehead that say it's OUR Responsability ' ? 

 

I'm not bashing have babies at all . Peoples can do and have as many as they want and be as traditional as they want . But often games (which are my Hobbie) , do restrict you because of your gender . 

[Ianamus]

I don't know nearly enough about the subject, but I think the Hero's Journey is considered masculine because it typically has a male protagonist. The Heroine's journey typically has female protagonists. Both can (and do) have protagonist's of either gender, they're just named after trends. I may be misunderstanding though.

 

I've read that Dragon Age 2 follows a Heroine's Journey.

 

Surely Dragon Age 2 is a "heroine's journey" is Hawke is female, and not if Hawke is male. Same as Origins and Mass Effect.

 

I just call them all Hero's regarless of gender, I don't think female hero's need their own word.

 

However, female hero's do get remembered.     Even if they given birth to kids. 

 

Male Hero's tend to settle down and have children as well. The only real difference is that feale Hero's tend to stop hero work when they have children. While a bit sexist it does make sense to an extent, as a Hero can't really continue adventuring and fighting while heavily pregnant.

[SardaukarElite]

Surely Dragon Age 2 is a "heroine's journey" is Hawke is female, and not if Hawke is male. Same as Origins and Mass Effect.

 

I just call them all Hero's regarless of gender, I don't think female hero's need their own word.

 

No, because the Heroine's Journey has a different kind of structure to the Hero's Journey. They are names for different story archetypes, not for different genders of protagonist. You could call them Green's Journey and Blue's Journey if you wanted.

[Ianamus]

No, because the Heroine's Journey has a different kind of structure to the Hero's Journey. They are names for different story archetypes, not for different genders of protagonist. You could call them Green's Journey and Blue's Journey if you wanted.

 

Well, that's really confusing and really stupid. Why didn't they name it something more gender neutral?

[Steelcan]

Well, that's really confusing and really stupid. Why didn't they name it something more gender neutral?

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[Lady Nuggins]

I don't really see how the "hero's journey" is male-centric. At least, not according to the three bullet points you quoted.

• Departure: the Hero leaves the familiar world behind.
• Initiation: the Hero learns to navigate the unfamiliar world of adventure.
• Return: the Hero returns to the familiar world.

None of these are particuarly male-orientated. Unless you are saying that the heroine would tend to form connections to the new world and decide to stay there. I admit the latest female equaivalent I saw (child of light) resulted in the heroine chosing to stay in the new world and protect her new allies rather than return to the comfort of her old life.

 

But then that is getting into stereotypes. Theres nothing to say that a male chaarcter couldn't come to care more for the new world or form close friendships, or that relationships and bonds would be all that mattered to the female hero, so I don't see how the formula is male-centric in and of itself. 

 

Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan are good examples of a story with a female protagonist which follow those criteria, and I don't think that they feel like it doesn't fit because of the female lead at all. They are classics.

 

Absolutely, hero's/heroine's journey stories can have a character of any gender.  But consider that one of the main reasons why the hero "returns home" in the end is because he has a wife to return to.  See "The Odyssey," for instance.  A tradition of western literature is the idea that a man goes out and faces trials in the world, but his home, a sanctuary, is waiting for him, usually watched over by his wife or family.  That's not a good or bad thing, that's just part of the archetype.  

 

The Heroine's Journey probably lacks this because traditionally, if a woman left home, it was to marry and make her own family. 

 

No, because the Heroine's Journey has a different kind of structure to the Hero's Journey. They are names for different story archetypes, not for different genders of protagonist. You could call them Green's Journey and Blue's Journey if you wanted.

 

Yeah, if you actually read that analysis that I linked, it switches between male and female pronouns for Hawke.  It's analyzing the story structure, not the gender of the character.

 

Well, that's really confusing and really stupid. Why didn't they name it something more gender neutral?

 

Because Hero's Journey came first, and that is not gender neutral.  Heroine's Journey came from analyzing stories that focus on female protagonists and how that differs from the Hero's Journey.  But that doesn't mean they can't both be applied to characters of any gender.

 

Edit: Wow, it looks like Cameron Harris, senior editor for Bioware Montreal, is into this narrative structure too.  Her awesome explanation of the Heroine's Journey:

 

“Woman loses everything she thinks she needs, discovers her own power, and builds a family who will fight with her to the bitter end.”

[Steelcan]

I wonder if The Aeneid would count as a Heroine's Journey then

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I hear ya there.  I don't play sport games or FPS shooters, mainly because I usually don't enjoy those kinds of games.  I prefer games with a really good story, so I usually play RPGs.  However, I do like good actions games like God of War, the Devil May Cry series, and the Batman Arkham games because they have a really interesting plot.  

I think I said this in this thread, but you should try the Halo franchise. Proof that Shooters can have RPG-level storytelling. 

[X Equestris]

I think I said this in this thread it, but you should try the Halo franchise. Proof that Shooters can have RPG-level storytelling.

Bioshock would be another good example.

[Stelae]

Well, that's really confusing and really stupid. Why didn't they name it something more gender neutral?

 

Part of the reason is that that is what Joseph Campbell, drawing on work by people like Jung and Propp, called the monomyth he identified in The Hero with A Thousand Faces "The Hero's Journey".  That was back in the 70s, and a lot more work (and a lot more evaluation of his work, and other theories of story and character archetypes) have been done since.  But the name has stuck. 

[Gregolian]

I think I said this in this thread, but you should try the Halo franchise. Proof that Shooters can have RPG-level storytelling. 

IDK...  Halo is still very linear (though a pretty damn good story through the first three games).  It doesn't have that element of choice that an RPG story has.

[SardaukarElite]

 

Edit: Wow, it looks like Cameron Harris, senior editor for Bioware Montreal, is into this narrative structure too.  Her awesome explanation of the Heroine's Journey:

 

In an interview, Bujold makes a great point about how non-universal Campbell’s “Hero’s Journey” actually is (Campbell apparently knew squat about women’s lives and made the typical male academic mistake of assuming that men’s experience is human experience full stop

 

Golden.

 

I think I said this in this thread, but you should try the Halo franchise. Proof that Shooters can have RPG-level storytelling. 

 

There was never any doubt of that.

 

I've always thought Halo had a pretty okay portrayal of women, once you ignore Cortana*, with solid, capable characters in the supporting cast like Foe Hammer. Though I haven't seen other opinions on the matter.

 

*Who is probably fine, just always naked. Also an AI.

[Steelcan]

Halsey, Miranda Keyes, Kat, Professor Anders less so

 

and Cortana is a computer program based on a woman's brain, she isn't really a woman though

[Gregolian]

Kat is a horrendous AI character.  All she does is drive Noble Six off of cliffs like she's a cab driver in NYC.

[syllogi]

Dragon Age ‏@dragonage

56 more days... Which Inquisitor will you choose? #DAI 

 

 

Seeing art like this makes me so excited.  I don't even play a warrior, usually, but I would want to play that lady warrior.

[Ryzaki]

heh I'd pick neither.

 

Qunari lady mage ftw.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm with Ryzaki, only I'd pick a dwarven lady rogue ftw.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

IDK...  Halo is still very linear (though a pretty damn good story through the first three games).  It doesn't have that element of choice that an RPG story has.

I know it doesn't have choice. I was just saying it has a story that is on par with most RPGs.

 

There was never any doubt of that.

 

I've always thought Halo had a pretty okay portrayal of women, once you ignore Cortana*, with solid, capable characters in the supporting cast like Foe Hammer. Though I haven't seen other opinions on the matter.

 

*Who is probably fine, just always naked. Also an AI.

I have to admit I actually like the reason Cortana chose a naked woman as her appearance. It was to give her an advantage in discussion. If the person is distracted for even a fraction of a second, she has control of the conversation due to that being enough time to plot how the whole exchange will go. 

[syllogi]

I'm with Ryzaki, only I'd pick a dwarven lady rogue ftw.  

 

Haha, that's going to be my first playthrough, and then a Dalish mage.  Then maybe a human mage, for the Circle mage perspective, and then down the road, if I get to it, a qunari warrior.  

 

I may change my mind, but in the first two games I was all about the mages and rogues.

[AlexiaRevan]

I'm gonna make a Qunari Mage female , but I do like a female warrior since I do hate playing a rogue . Isn't for me , so my human female probably gonna swing it just like the pic and it gonna be kick ass , cose this time around they outdone themself when it come to armors ! 

[thehomeworld]

 

Dragon Age ‏@dragonage

56 more days... Which Inquisitor will you choose? #DAI 

 

 

Seeing art like this makes me so excited.  I don't even play a warrior, usually, but I would want to play that lady warrior.

 

That looks nice! I like her armor it looks like it'll take punishment and protect her yet she has a bit of a fashionable side showing with the little details on the pants and the longer shirt coat tail. I'd wear that armor to battle minus the helmet cuz like I said before I usually will forgo it to see my character's face unless the battle is that bad and I need the added layer.

 

They tried to even out the sides as far as background was concerned but his side draws my eye first due to his summoning and vortex light combo it makes his side have more action packed then her's  her background as a result is calmer by comparison, my eye is then drawn to her sword second just a thing but the only thing missing is asking the player which inquisitor would they choose like we discussed earlier in the thread. But this is a nice side by side of both heros.

[Verly]

I do have a lady warrior world state.  I have Estina Tabris who was  a two handed warrior (Yes, I wanted the tiny elf whacking people with a giant sword) and Margo Hawke who was also a two handed warrior.  so, I think I'll have to do it again. I'm just trying to choose between a human or an elf. whichever it will be it will be the one who romances Sara (or possible Josaphine). That is also because of the world state. Estina romanced Leliana and Margo romanced Isabela. 

 

I'm leaning towards human because my elf will probably be my archer world state (Gail Dalish archer (romanced Zevran)- Lynn hawke archer (romanced Merril) and I'm planing a Dalish elven archer to romance Solas)   

 

heck, I might as well list the rest. lol.  My canon: casteless ​dual wield dwarf Vey Brosca romanced Zevran, Vivian Hawke (same spec) romanced Fenris....so my canon inquisitor is going to be a dual wield dwarf who romances..Solas..( just kidding)  She'll either romance Iron Bull or Blackwall and if Blackwall is all serious and stoic..then I'll go with Iron Bull. 

 

Aedan Cousland dual wield rogue (it's my favorite spec) romanced Morrigan and Zevran he chose Zevran and married Anora. Brett Hawke (same spec again) romanced Fenris.  My male human rouge will romance Dorian that's a done deal.

 

Human Mage Violet Amell romanced Alistiar (both stayed Grey Wardens) Mage Hyacinth Hawke romanced Anders and I'm thinking of going Female Quinari Mage who will romance whoever My canon dwarf does not (probably Blackwall).

 

Onto the main point of this thread. I am so happy to see them marketing that we can choose to play as a female. 

[Gregolian]

 

Dragon Age ‏@dragonage

56 more days... Which Inquisitor will you choose? #DAI 

 

 

Seeing art like this makes me so excited.  I don't even play a warrior, usually, but I would want to play that lady warrior.

 

I almost always am a male in my first playthrough as I like to have my first playthrough be...  well, "me" in a sense.

[Lady Nuggins]

 

Dragon Age ‏@dragonage

56 more days... Which Inquisitor will you choose? #DAI 

 

 

Seeing art like this makes me so excited.  I don't even play a warrior, usually, but I would want to play that lady warrior.

 

 

My goodness, that is perfect!  I love how the lady Inquisitor has such a dynamic action pose.  I also really like how the armor is almost identical, but with small changes here or there.  They suit both of them really well.  

 

I wish this image had been there from the start (though I know we couldn't have because of constraints).  It's exactly what this game needed.