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[Puppy Love]

Another thing, graphics were more limited in what they could show and still look real compared to now.

 

Seriously can we not limit things to looking like origins.  Let graphics improve and the world improve with it.  Let the game be diverse in culture and style.

 

 

I remember Leliana complaining about how awful her boots were because they were clunky and furlined instead of beautiful and satin like those blue shoes she loved.

 

Exactly.

 

Let dragon age expand beyond Fereldan and be a multicultural masterpiece!!!

 

Damn overly limiting people...

[AresKeith]

Another thing, graphics were more limited in what they could show and still look real compared to now.

 

Seriously can we not limit things to looking like origins.  Let graphics improve and the world improve with it.  Let the game be diverse in culture and style.

 

Who said anything about looking like Origins? 

[Puppy Love]

The armor Kallen Posted was fine.  It looked like armor, it covered everything it needed to, in many respects it was more realistic than many of the overly bulky massive armors, it fit every single requirement ever set forth by the "practical" crowd.  It is far from overly fantastic, it is merely more colorful than Fereldan armor, and has some feminine ornamentation rather than masculine ornamentation.

 

There is no good or logical reason why a non fereldan culture who cares more about their things being beautiful and fashionable could not have something like that.  It does not fall outside anything, it fits every necessary requirement.

 

Stop trying to turn everything into a bland colored, drab fest when it's not necessary.

[AresKeith]

     

[Puppy Love]

Who said anything about looking like Origins? 

Saying it didn't fit dragon age style when we've seen very little of the actual world, and most of what we know comes out of Fereldan in Origins.  We know no where near enough to say every armor in every culture looks like the mostly Fereldan stuff we've seen.

 

Heck look at the Qunari in origins and in da:2, a complete and total style change with better graphics.  Saying DA has a set armor look at this point is silly and nonsensical, is constantly changing, growing and evolving, especially with new cultural introductions.

 

I have a problem with, non masculine inspired armor that fits every armor requirement and is not "sexy" armor, is not revealing, and is doing it's job proper being dismissed out of hand because of it's origins.

 

There are a lot of people sick of the masculine realistic armor monopoly, and would like to see some for feminine inspired realistic armors.

 

Remember armor of the old days was made and designed by men, for men, with the few women who fought having to deal with what existed since armor was not designed by or for them.

 

In dragon age we're to believe that women are warriors as much as men are, we see that things like dresses and stuff still exists.  We see that feminine tastes are there in the dragon age world.  There is no reason we should be glued to the real world armor design mantra where everything is designed with masculine ideals, because many men of war war the only people armor was designed and fashioned for.

 

I'd like to see a realistic looking world where every single armor design does follow the masculine ideal.  I'd like to see an alternate armor evolution.  I'm not asking for impractical armors, I'm asking for armors with some more feminine rather than masculine touches, in a world where such could and should exist, since unlike our world, it does not have the same design/cultural limitations our male centric model we developed armors in does.

[AresKeith]

You're assuming I'm talking about Origins when I'm not (and Origins armor design wasn't that good overall and was limited). I know there are other cultures in Dragon Age, but they all are still part of a Western RPG setting which is Thedas as a whole
 
All I said was that JRPG armor would look out of place in that setting, that being said I'd love to see armor similar to this
 
 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You're assuming I'm talking about Origins when I'm not (and Origins armor design wasn't that good overall and was limited). I know there are other cultures in Dragon Age, but they all are still part of a Western RPG setting which is Thedas as a whole
 
All I said was that JRPG armor would look out of place in that setting, that being said I'd love to see armor similar to this
 
 

But it has exposed breasts. 

 

So let me get this straight: 

 

'Impractical Western style' > 'Practical JRPG(even when armor is styled after Western armor) style'

 

Is this correct? 

[Ryzaki]

Considering he said something like this and not that outfit exactly I wouldn't assume he wants the "please target here" to remain.

[Puppy Love]

But it has exposed breasts. 

 

So let me get this straight: 

 

'Impractical Western style' > 'Practical JRPG(even when armor is styled after Western armor) style'. 

Like I said, I have a problem with perfectly acceptable and good armors being brushed off simply because of their origins.

 

He then comes along with armor that'd never pass the "practical armor" critics as a good example, when the biggest difference between what he calls "more medieval" is that yours has more color to it.

[AresKeith]

Considering he said something like this and not that outfit exactly I wouldn't assume he wants the "please target here" to remain.

 

Pretty much yea

 

Change the exposed breast area and the armor is vastly better

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Considering he said something like this and not that outfit exactly I wouldn't assume he wants the "please target here" to remain.

Pretty much yea

Then here's an idea. Use an armor style that is what you want, not like or similar to what you want. 

 

 

Change the exposed breast area and the armor is vastly better

Again with using your opinion as fact. 

[Tayah]

What I think he means is that the world of Thedas is based off medieval European cultures and countries and that medieval Asian armours would thus look out of place in regards to current lore.

 

I think 'feminine' as a description of armour often gets confused with revealing or exposed armour as that is what we've had for female characters in games in general for a while. By feminine you actually mean still fully covered by armour but with (possibly) flowing skirts and better tailoring right? Also more colours/ornamentation maybe? Possibly more rounded edges than harsh jagged ones that kind of thing? Just so I'm clear what you're actually arguing for. I certainly think there's a place for that kind of armour for people who want that based in the armours from the appropriate region if that's the case. It could be pretty cool actually. 

 

Or I've misunderstood in which case sorry, nvm.

 

Also we do know that crafting materials will determine the colours of armours/armour parts/weapons and that you can have purple at least so maybe not all bland and boring brown. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What I think he means is that the world of Thedas is based off medieval European cultures and countries and that medieval Asian armours would thus look out of place in regards to current lore.

 

I think 'feminine' as a description of armour often gets confused with revealing or exposed armour as that is what we've had for female characters in games in general for a while. By feminine you actually mean still fully covered by armour but with (possibly) flowing skirts and better tailoring right? Also more colours maybe? Just so I'm clear what you're actually arguing for. I certainly think there's a place for that kind of armour for people who want that based in the armours from the appropriate region if that's the case.

 

Also we do know that crafting materials will determine the colours of armours/armour parts/weapons and that you can have purple at least so maybe not all bland and boring brown. 

Except the armor on Minerva(the woman who I linked as the basis for my Human Warrior) is based on European armor rather than Asian armor.

 

Yes, that is what I mean. I want armors that are similar in style to what I linked. I see nothing wrong or out of lore about it. 

[Puppy Love]

If feminine armour didn't almost,always, equate to boob, thigh, and ass exposure; than maybe I could take the argument for more feminine armour seriously. No matter the culture, they all want to win wars. and sending women out with exposed boobs is just making them fodder for archers.

When examples that don't have your ridiculous boob window, and do their job, and is still feminine, and you reject it because of completely different armor which is not being asked for, it makes you an ass and a hypocrite.

 

Is one of the thing that pisses me off most.  Because those who like feminine armor and are willing to work with you to meet your protective armor requirement standards, follow your rules and provide examples that fit within your boundaries, and you still reject us out of hand, it makes you a stubborn unrelenting ass, completely unwilling to work with others, compromise and try to reach a mutual understanding, where both parties can be happy.

 

This is my main problem, one side attempts to bend over backwards to come up with a compromise, follow all the rules given us, and provide examples that fit within the standards placed before us, and we're rejected out of hand, because the other side is unwilling to bend just a little, and lumps us all in with the boob window and lingerie armor unfairly.

 

You are all completely unreasonable, uncompromising, selfish jerks who care nothing about anyone but themselves and getting their own way, because if it were otherwise you'd at least attempt to see where we are coming from, and all the effort and attempts we do to find something that is a reasonable compromise and fits your standards.  I'm so sick of trying to work with you all.

 

The truth is: "we want the girl out of the battlefield, keep your femaleness outside our medieval male fantasy, everyone must adhere to the masculine standards set forth by our sexist medieval real world history."

 

I refuse to believe that to be female and a warrior I need to abide by masculine decor in my armor.  One does not need to be a tomboy desiring to be one of the boys to be a warrior, and in a world were women fight, some of us do not like the stereotypical masculine decor, and armor can and should be designed with femine ornamentation as well.  Armor comes in all black with ridiculous masculine body spikes, the cloth dresslike additions on red armor is no more unrealistic than that armor.

[Eonetic]

These Armours from Dark Souls are feminine.

[Puppy Love]

I want to apologize for some of my harsher criticisms above, but it's late, I'm tired, and am so completely frustrated, I don't really mean to lump everyone together, I know not everyone on the other side is completely unwilling to bend and is willing to try and understand.

[In Exile]

These Armours from Dark Souls are feminine.

 

You think the full plate is feminine? 

[Puppy Love]

 

 

Technically this is damn near full plate, minus the helm.  It is also very feminine.  I think a feminine helm could be designed to go with it.

[Tayah]

Except the armor on Minerva(the woman who I linked as the basis for my Human Warrior) is based on European armor rather than Asian armor.

 

Yes, that is what I mean. I want armors that are similar in style to what I linked. I see nothing wrong or out of lore about it. 

Okay... it doesn't look that way to me but as you said style interpretation is subjective. Also I actually like it now I've stared at it so long trying to figure out what style it is   I think because I still see elements that make me think of samurais in movies lol. But that can be cultural bias too... sigh.

 

Yeah as I said I have no problem with armours that match the game style and deliver that feminine feel you want as well. I'm always for more options because more people get to play at least a little how they want then. 

 

I want to apologize for some of my harsher criticisms above, but it's late, I'm tired, and am so completely frustrated, I don't really mean to lump everyone together, I know not everyone on the other side is completely unwilling to bend and is willing to try and understand.

Apology accepted, hope you get a good night's sleep and feel better. 

[AresKeith]

 

Technically this is damn near full plate, minus the helm.  It is also very feminine.  I think a feminine helm could be designed to go with it.

 

Tbh, I agree with the style 

 

If they get rid of massive shoulders, and shrink the side flaps and the twin caps It fits 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Tbh, I agree with the style 

 

If they get rid of massive shoulders, and shrink the side flaps and the twin caps It fits 

So you agree with most of the style, and yet don't think it should be in Dragon Age? You're confusing me. 

[AresKeith]

So you agree with most of the style, and yet don't think it should be in Dragon Age? You're confusing me. 

 

I looked it over   

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I looked it over   

Ah, okay.

[Ryzaki]

 

Then here's an idea. Use an armor style that is what you want, not like or similar to what you want.

 

 

...

 

Really?

 

I mean I'm all for whatever armor as long as I can not use it but really? Someone can't say I want something like this now? They have to find the exact kind of armor they'd like?

 

I want freaking trenchcoats on mage robes. I have to find a perfect example of what I want according to you?