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[Twilight_Princess]

Just like the reaction to the adam's apple slider (yes women have them too ) there are ladies in RL with pcos or just have extra facial hair due to age or extra testosterone. They do exist so a bit of stubble on a female dwarf isn't strange at all. I like that it's a small nod to Tolkien too.

[DeusGoddess5010]

Just like the reaction to the adam's apple slider (yes women have them too ) there are ladies in RL with pcos or just have extra facial hair due to age or extra testosterone. They do exist so a bit of stubble on a female dwarf isn't strange at all. I like that it's a small nod to Tolkien too.

Not Adams apple, unless they are a male just prominence of it that is different.,. But both sexs are hairy, males on adverge more then females normally too bad female dwarfs cannot get  more facial hair, would like side burns at least

[DeusGoddess5010]

and large beards

[Lady Nuggins]

At this point I'd like to see more of the other races of both genders, we've seen human female/male and qunari female fiarly extensively, anybody else want to see female elf or dwarven male?

 

They showed a dwarven male in the livestream yesterday, I'm sure somebody in Scuttlebutt got screenshots.

 

Hmm, if the muscular and hairy races are used for masculine characters, and the petite, smooth skinned one is used for feminine characters, are gender conventions being blurred or followed?

 

I'm just pointing out some of the ways you can blur those conventions.  There is also nothing stopping you from making a big hairy qunari who wears makeup and pink mage robes.

[Puppy Love]

I'm very unpsyched about dwarven women and facial hair.  If both human and dwarven women could get it, it would bother me less.

 

One of the things I enjoyed in dragon age is, we actually see dwarven women and they don't have beards, until now.  Even in D&D most dwarven women do not have beards, only a very few rare subraces women grow any hair on their faces at all.  Other than the stupid movies where they turned Gimli into comic relief, I'm hard pressed to find any references about dwarven women at all in Tolkien's books, let alone if they exist or have beards, I'm not sure it's a nod to Tolkien at all to be honest.

 

The only time I've ever seen dwarven women referenced as having beards, ever, is in crass jokes and as comic relief.  I love dwarves, but have had too many random D&D games result in jokes about my character having a beard, when I both say she does not, and provide references proving that the stereotype is complete BS, only for the joking to continue.  I've left multiple games because of such juvenile crap.

 

Now there's more fodder for the dwarven bearded women jokes.  I recognize that some women can grow beards and facial hair, I know it happens.  However, by making it only dwarven women that can grow facial hair it's furthering a stereotype that has only every existed in the form of crass jokes in reference to women who only exist in the background for the sole purpose of being the butt of bearded women jokes.

 

For me, it just, in a way, ruins dwarves a little bit for me.  Was a place I could play a dwarven women, and escape the BS.  Now facial hair is apparently a normal thing for dwarven women in dragon age...  So if I ever make a dwarven women in an RPG again, and this crap comes up, I have even less ammunition, while the jerks insisting a proper dwarven women has a beard, and I have one or am not a dwarf, have more...  ugh...

 

I'm glad people are happy, as I said, I'd be more accepting if human women could too, as is, I'm disappointed yet again, sigh...  Thought I was done...

[Steelcan]

They showed a dwarven male in the livestream yesterday, I'm sure somebody in Scuttlebutt got screenshots..

I mean in gameplay, we've seen plenty of videos with human inquisitors, one with qunari female, but to my knowledge we haven't gotten a gameplay video with a qunari male, or an elf or a dwarf

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I mean in gameplay, we've seen plenty of videos with human inquisitors, one with qunari female, but to my knowledge we haven't gotten a gameplay video with a qunari male, or an elf or a dwarf

There have been snippets of Qunari Male. 

[Steelcan]

There have been snippets of Qunari Male. 

must have thought it was Iron Bull then

 

damn my increasingly crappy eyes

[Abraham_uk]

Women can grow beards in real life.

It happens. (I'm not talking about a bit of fluff).

It's rare but it's not "unnatural".

 

I know a few women with beards. It's not that strange to me.

[Puppy Love]

Women can grow beards in real life.

It happens. (I'm not talking about a bit of fluff).

It's rare but it's not "unnatural".

 

I know a few women with beards. It's not that strange to me.

I acknowledged that, read the whole post please, not the general gist.

 

As I said, if BOTH human and dwarven women had the option I'd be less upset, if upset at all.

[Lady Nuggins]

I'm very unpsyched about dwarven women and facial hair.  If both human and dwarven women could get it, it would bother me less.

 

One of the things I enjoyed in dragon age is, we actually see dwarven women and they don't have beards, until now.  Even in D&D most dwarven women do not have beards, only a very few rare subraces women grow any hair on their faces at all.  Other than the stupid movies where they turned Gimli into comic relief, I'm hard pressed to find any references about dwarven women at all in Tolkien's books, let alone if they exist or have beards, I'm not sure it's a nod to Tolkien at all to be honest.

 

The only time I've ever seen dwarven women referenced as having beards, ever, is in crass jokes and as comic relief.  I love dwarves, but have had too many random D&D games result in jokes about my character having a beard, when I both say she does not, and provide references proving that the stereotype is complete BS, only for the joking to continue.  I've left multiple games because of such juvenile crap.

 

Now there's more fodder for the dwarven bearded women jokes.  I recognize that some women can grow beards and facial hair, I know it happens.  However, by making it only dwarven women that can grow facial hair it's furthering a stereotype that has only every existed in the form of crass jokes in reference to women who only exist in the background for the sole purpose of being the butt of bearded women jokes.

 

For me, it just, in a way, ruins dwarves a little bit for me.  Was a place I could play a dwarven women, and escape the BS.  Now facial hair is apparently a normal thing for dwarven women in dragon age...  So if I ever make a dwarven women in an RPG again, and this crap comes up, I have even less ammunition, while the jerks insisting a proper dwarven women has a beard, and I have one or am not a dwarf, have more...  ugh...

 

I'm glad people are happy, as I said, I'd be more accepting if human women could too, as is, I'm disappointed yet again, sigh...  Thought I was done...

 

I've personally wanted to see beautiful bearded dwarven women ever since these images came out of The Hobbit:

 

 

And I always thought it was a wasted opportunity that we don't even get to see them in the films, because how freaking amazing do they look?  With all those braids and gems and ribbons?  This also spawned a huge amount of female cosplayers doing their own versions.  That is what I wanted to see, if not in DAI, then somewhere.  Not a joke.  Just pure fantasy flawlessness. 

[Steelcan]

Yes, the Hobbit movies haven't butchered the book enough yet >.>

[Lady Nuggins]

Yes, the Hobbit movies haven't butchered the book enough yet >.>

 

The Hobbit movies made all kinds of crappy decisions, but fabulous lady dwarves wouldn't have been one of them.

[Puppy Love]

I'm sorry but due to my experiences I will never be able to see it that way.  Dwarven female + beard is a bunch of tripe that has hounded me away from several good characters who were perfectly acceptable, proper, and a by the books definitions of most dwarven women everywhere. 

[Allan Schumacher]

So I'm understanding, you hate us allowing beards on women because it reminds you of the experiences you've had in the past where people teased your woman dwarf for having a beard?

[Grieving Natashina]

So I'm understanding, you hate us allowing beards on women because it reminds you of the experiences you've had in the past where people teased your woman dwarf for having a beard?

I think I know where Puppy might be coming from.  The stereotype that all dwarven women are ugly largely stems from the Tolkien trait of adding beards.  As someone that prefer dwarves in Thedas and back in WoW, I used to get a lot of grief for playing a dwarven woman.  Still do to some extent, since they are either "ugly" or "child-like."

 

If the beards were allowed for human characters as well, that would add equality while divorcing from the Tolkien stereotype.  As it is, I keep reading that "only players that like playing ugly characters like playing dwarves."  This is something I've run into on the forums recently.

[Puppy Love]

So I'm understanding, you hate us allowing beards on women because it reminds you of the experiences you've had in the past where people teased your woman dwarf for having a beard?

Again no, it's because you've singled out dwarven women to get them, who've unfairly been the butt of bearded women jokes, despite lore not agreeing with it.

 

Once again, had you allowed it for both human women and dwarven women I'd be much less bothered.

 

The point is not that you are allowing beards on women, but only dwarven women, and in doing so feeding into a negative stereotype that has been unfairly the source of ridicule for dwarven women, who once again only ever exist in television media as the butt of a bearded women joke.

 

Edit: And I never said anything about hate, that's a pretty strong word.  If I hated the developers or company or game I'd just leave.  What I dislike is the dwarven women have beards stereotype.  I've said why several times.  Is not because I have a problem with women being able to grow beards.  It's the singling dwarven women out. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Again no, it's because you've singled out dwarven women to get them, who've unfairly been the butt of bearded women jokes, despite lore not agreeing with it.

 

Once again, had you allowed it for both human women and dwarven women I'd be much less bothered.

To be fair, there is nothing in the lore that states one way or the other about dwarven women having facial hair in Thedas as far as I know.  There is, however, a fantasy prescient of having beared dwarven women in these kinds of settings, thanks to Tolkien.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

At least the beards are optional.

[Puppy Love]

To be fair, there is nothing in the lore that states one way or the other about dwarven women having facial hair in Thedas as far as I know.  There is, however, a fantasy prescient of having beared dwarven women in these kinds of settings, thanks to Tolkien.

Could you please find a source for that which is not the movies.  I'd love to see it.

[Steelcan]

 

The point is not that you are allowing beards on women, but only dwarven women, and in doing so feeding into a negative stereotype that has been unfairly the source of ridicule for dwarven women, who once again only ever exist in television media as the butt of a bearded women joke.

So you are saying that only allowing dwarven women to have beards is hurting irl dwarven women who get mocked because fictional dwarves have beards?

[Puppy Love]

Ok apparently they did

[Grieving Natashina]

Could you please find a source for that which is not the movies.  I'd love to see it.

http://en.wikipedia...._(Middle-earth)

 

That and I read the books.  

[Puppy Love]

So you are saying that only allowing dwarven women to have beards is hurting irl dwarven women who get mocked because fictional dwarves have beards?

Is adding to the stereotype that all dwarven women have beards which has turned them into a joke in most mediums everywhere, even when they do not.  Is frustrating as all heck when trying to play a dwarven female anywhere.

[Puppy Love]

http://en.wikipedia...._(Middle-earth)

 

That and I read the books.  

Yeah looked it up, as I said above, apparently they did.  Still, is annoying while trying to play a dwarf in any other medium.  Read the books too a long time ago, don't remember that however.  Must not have stood out to me at the time.