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[Lady Nuggins]

Bearded lady dwarves don't exist in DA anyways. So it doesn't matter.

 

This isn't Lord of the Rings. 

 

... I guess you missed the entire start to this discussion.

 

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[Grieving Natashina]

Pfffff you don't get to bail after saying that ! I want to see your dwarf lady with a beard ! the public demand it ! 

Erm, nope.  Not for me, but I welcome the choice for others.

[AlexiaRevan]

Well maybe I make one......for myself....Hum..she be redder then Orghen and have a bad temper !  Tis game gonna be fun! 

[Grieving Natashina]

It doesn't hurt my enjoyment either if that's the case.

 

I'm just annoyed that Tolkien gets brought up. As much as I LIKE Tolkien, screw Tolkien! lol. Time to move on. Fantasy has evolved in myriad ways. Every writer has a different vision of dwarves. I'm tired of hearing about him.

I don't argue, but one little Tolkien-ism in Thedas doesn't bother me.  For the most part, the DA team has turned most of those tropes well on it's head, so I can deal here.

 

However, since folks did ask where the beared dwarven women thing came from, I did bring up Tolkien.  You see, Tolkien borrowed a lot from Nordic mythology for his books, including the rune language of the dwarves.  If it had roots going back to Nordic mythos, I would have mentioned that instead.  That's just something he decided on.  

 

I'm just going to be happy for other people.  I'm glad that the dwarven ladies can have stubble.  I'm thrilled that all the male characters can have access to makeup.  I'm always glad to have more choices in my RPGs.  Even if some of those choices aren't for me.

[Puppy Love]

I think the reason I'm so sensitive to it, is as a transgender woman, the experience is very similar to people insisting I'm a man, no matter how feminine I am or what I do to be my real self.  So when people insisted my dwarf has a beard despite everything I did and showed to prove otherwise, and despite it being my character, well it strikes a very similar emotional parallel.  So is kind of one of those traumatizing experiences I'm really sensitive too because my real life experiences are wrapped into it.

 

Either way, I already said I'm happy for people who like the feature.  I however do not, I also said nothing about removing it or hating anyone who uses it.  Only that it would be better if humans had the feature as well, maybe qunari.  I also stated that I disliked how it was implemented for dwarves only, and why it bothered me.

 

At no point did I say to remove the feature, or anything untoward towards anybody liking the feature.  Merely defended my position of disliking it's current iteration and why.

[AlexiaRevan]

I think the reason I'm so sensitive to it, is as a transgender woman, the experience is very similar to people insisting I'm a man, no matter how feminine I am or what I do to be my real self.  So when people insisted my dwarf has a beard despite everything I did and showed to prove otherwise, and despite it being my character, well it strikes a very similar emotional parallel.  So is kind of one of those traumatizing experiences I'm really sensitive too because my real life experiences are wrapped into it.

 

Either way, I already said I'm happy for people who like the feature.  I however do not, I also said nothing about removing it or hating anyone who uses it.  Only that it would be better if humans had the feature as well, maybe qunari.  I also stated that I disliked how it was implemented for dwarves only, and why it bothered me.

 

At no point did I say to remove the feature, or anything untoward towards anybody liking the feature.  Merely defended my position of disliking it's current iteration and why.

Aww . Well , it is a game . So think of it , as more options to make better looking charachter and different one . Heck , I'm planning to make a Dark Elf and see if I can do it without her looking like a Dragon sat on her face   

[Bugsie]

I can say I really don't know of any other depictions of fantasy dwarves other than from Tolkien and in fairy stories when I was a child. So how else have they been depicted?

[themikefest]

If I can get my mage femquisitor to look similiar to this I will be a happy camper and have long red hair

 

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[AlexiaRevan]

Well..D&D had them..........I liked those better . Just saw LOR movie...never read tha books . 

[AlexiaRevan]

If I can get my mage femquisitor to look similiar to this I will be a happy camper and have long red hair

 

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Bloooood Magic...R.I.P   

[Steelcan]

I can say I really don't know of any other depictions of fantasy dwarves other than from Tolkien and in fairy stories when I was a child. So how else have they been depicted?

D&D, WoW, the Witcher, TES, and numerous fantasy book series I've read

 

the onyl one where they are truly a whole other beast than Tolkien's is TES

[Dark Helmet]

Just saw LOR movie...never read tha books . 

 

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Bad form.

[themikefest]

Bloooood Magic...R.I.P 

I'm not a fan of blood magic

[AlexiaRevan]

 

Bad form.

Qué? 

 

 

I'm not a fan of blood magic

Ew..well I'm . But that pic you posted looked like Blood Magic...was it ? 

[Puppy Love]

I can say I really don't know of any other depictions of fantasy dwarves other than from Tolkien and in fairy stories when I was a child. So how else have they been depicted?

A long complicated answer, D&D had them, though the crappy D&D movie made a bearded dwarven women joke, despite the dwarf not coming from anywhere near one of the like two subraces that have facial hair regularly on women.  One being a gully dwarf, and they just have like sparse whiskers of hair.  Mostly I like D&D dwarves and thedus dwarves because women exists as more than a reference to women and beards, you can play one, and no beards.

[Grieving Natashina]

Qué? 

 

He's saying you should read the books.  

 

 

Ew..well I'm . But that pic you posted looked like Blood Magic...was it ? 

 

Just looked like a badass mage to me.  <shrug>

[Steelcan]

Anyone who likes fantasy should at least read The Lord of the Rings

 

 

The Hobbit, Silmarrilion, and Unfinished Tales if you want more

[themikefest]

Ew..well I'm . But that pic you posted looked like Blood Magic...was it ? 

I have no idea. The character looks similiar to what I have in mind for what I want my femquisitor to look like. I even like the armor

[AlexiaRevan]

 

He's saying you should read the books.  

Muh...I get that alot .  I play Stwor..but never saw the movies save for 1 and when I was too little to remember anything beyond a golden protocol droid and Harrisson ford . I play Star Trek , but never watched the Tv show , and watched Harry Potter but never read the book . So , yeah...I,m keeping the tradition so far 

[Steelcan]

Muh...I get that alot .  I play Stwor..but never saw the movies save for 1 and when I was too little to remember anything beyond a golden protocol droid and Harrisson ford . I play Star Trek , but never watched the Tv show , and watched Harry Potter but never read the book . So , yeah...I,m keeping the tradition so far 

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[Bugsie]

D&D, WoW, the Witcher, TES, and numerous fantasy book series I've read
 
the onyl one where they are truly a whole other beast than Tolkien's is TES

i've not played any of those aside from TES, but yeah the dwemer, I forgot about them. I haven't read a lot of fantasy either, certainly not high fantasy, it would be interesting to know how the depictions differ because even in TES they sort of still have a Tolkien sort of vibe (armours, smithing, living underground) the only thing I see differing is the mechanical technology they produced and being an extremely advanced race compared to others in Tamriel.

[Steelcan]

i've not played any of those aside from TES, but yeah the dwemer, I forgot about them. I haven't read a lot of fantasy either, certainly not high fantasy, it would be interesting to know how the depictions differ because even in TES they sort of still have a Tolkien sort of vibe (armours, smithing, living underground) the only thing I see differing is the mechanical technology they produced and being an extremely advanced race compared to others in Tamriel.

Their extensive use of magic, lack of ...well being dwarfs, disdain of fighting, etc... set them apart