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[themikefest]

I'd rather see a full trailer showing the femquisitor and not a 10 second clip. I will say it was nice hearing AWR's voice when that trailer was released

[Sully13]

same.

[phantomrachie]

 

 

I don't think it's just me.  The entire detraction argument is utterly weird.  We're not asking for only the female Inquisitor to be shown.  We do not want the male Inquisitor completely disregarded or ignored.  That would not only be sexist, but stupid.   Excluding men entirely, or even treating them like a minority, is sexist.  I'll be the first to say it.  

 

That is not the point of this thread and I keep wondering where in blazes that impression is stemming from.

 

 

This quote should on the OP, people at least read that so we might get less people trying to derail the subject.

 

I know why people get the impression that we want to exclude men or treat them like a minority, it's because that is what many men & women think when equality is asked for.

 

Many people are under the impression that feminists & others that want equality (SJWs) want to make the world more equal for women and people of colour by oppressing white men.

 

Instead all that is being requested is that everyone is treated equally.

 

Most men are unable to see the privilege they have in our society and when it is brought up they get aggressive or argumentative 'I don't have privilege' 'I had to fight my way to my position'

 

No man will ever have to fight for control over their reproductive organs, no man will ever be defined solely in their role as a parent and no man will ever look at a game a say to themselves 'oh look, I can play as a man, how novel' 

 

Anyway back to Lady Inquisitor 

I think defiantly going to name my female Qunari; Torunn

[WildOrchid]

so, trailers should have female inquisitor so that females know they can play a female character. Fair enough.

Now, how will new male fans know they can play a male character?

 

Usually trailers want to keep the main character's look constant to get a sense of continuity and recognition. If people spend half the trailer wondering if the person onscreen is the main character or just some npc, it doesn't go well.

 

Perhaps there isn't a "fair" solution. But don't act like your solution is better than the status quo when it has the same problems.

 

 

And how is there a barrier to participation? Its a single player game. You buy, download, install it, and play.

 

Trailers and gameplays should have had BOTH genders. None of them deserve all the attention they get and in trailer the male gets the most attention, and if the gameplays showed the female, there were some with the male too. Especially the latest gameplays feature male inquisitors.

 

 

I just do not understand why, oh why, the male gets his own trailer and probably a CGI, even??

[Arcling]

I just do not understand why, oh why, the male gets his own trailer and probably a CGI, even??

The same reason why there is no specific trailer for qunari, dwarf or elven inquisitor - too much work to make version for everyone. They are simply going with the most default choice, which happens to be a human male.

[MissOuJ]

The same reason why there is no specific trailer for qunari, dwarf or elven inquisitor - too much work to make version for everyone. They are simply going with the most default choice, which happens to be a human male.

 

Why does it always "just happen to be" the human male? Why not have both? Or make a trailer an androgynous PC - since the ability to choose your gender is part of the customisation?

 

The human male was the default in ME 1, 2 and 3, in DA:O, in DA2... and not just in the trailers, but in the other marketing material as well (in the ads on gaming websites, for example).

 

Because let's be clear - this is not an accident: the choice to use a (white, I might add) male PC in the marketing material is just that, a concious choice that has been made. And we female fans feel a bit left out since this happends again and again and again. The fact that there have been lots of gameplay vids etc. with a fem!Quisitor is a big plus and a step forward, but we'd also like to see her in the official marketing material as well.

[WildOrchid]

The same reason why there is no specific trailer for qunari, dwarf or elven inquisitor - too much work to make version for everyone. They are simply going with the most default choice, which happens to be a human male.

Or you know, they could just not show the Inquisitor at all or rarely in some scenes with both genders so they'll focus on the story and companions more.

They're doing much work with the dude already, i very much doubt existing scenes would be "too much work". Why not add some scenes we saw in cutscenes with the female inquisitor?


Edit: i mean, when there were some gameplays there were cutscenes of female inquisitor, why not copy paste these scenes to the trailer?

[Lady Luminous]

Or you know, they could just not show the Inquisitor at all or rarely in some scenes with both genders so they'll focus on the story and companions more.

They're doing much work with the dude already, i very much doubt existing scenes would be "too much work". Why not add some scenes we saw in cutscenes with the female inquisitor?

 

I almost want to do something like an Intro to the Inquisitor. "Choose your inquisitor!" And then flash through the 8 options (like they have on the dragon age site) maybe show a bit of the CC "Customize Your Character!", and then go on to do the planned trailer. 

[Gregolian]

I kinda wish they had done what they did with Origins.  I only really remember two trailers except in this case just make like...  4 or so.  Yeah, they would most likely use the Human versions again but just don't do so many trailers.

[veeia]

I'm a huge dwarf advocate and I would love for the dwarven Quizzie to be in the trailers to help boost the exposure of that racial choice, but I definitely don't put that on the same level as having the female character in there. One is "I love this part of the game and I wish more people did!" and the other is much more complex.

I do think there's an argument that they should try showing someone who isn't white as well, but that doesn't have to exclude women. Putting a badass lady of color in a trailer...now that'd be super cool.

[Sully13]

As much as in for inclusiveness in gaming and more of the female Inquisitor.  

Doesn't this lead into Grey blob territory?

Or a very crowded front cover.

[Grieving Natashina]

I understand what you're getting at, and why that can be a cause for concern among gamers.  That cover suffers from having every single type of race with at least two combinations of class on it. Not to mention Bombs, chocobos and dragons.  That is a little insane.  

 

Please, don't think I'm coming down on you at all.  I'm not, because it's a more than fair question.  Also, us metalheads need to stick together, no matter where we're from.  

 

No, what has been requested before is perhaps a dual cover, with male on the back (sorry, biased, sick of seeing guys on the front cover) and the female on the front.  However,  I've also seen some folks think that the Inquisitor symbol would work.  The box art doesn't seem to be as much of a concern at this point.  I'm not trying to speak for everyone, it's just the general attitude that I've been getting from the thread as of late.

 

It's the advertising itself that I've been concerned about.  Are they going to showcase the female Inquisitor to the general public as much as the male?  Or even half as much?  Is that "blink-and-you-miss-her" trailer all we're gonna get?  Will the lady Inquisitor get the same amount of posters for game stores as the male Inquisitor? These are more rhetorical questions than questions meant for the company in all.  It's just what's been going through my mind.

 

Even more importantly, can we see a lady Inquisitor that isn't white or human? While the Qunari female has been heavily featured in demos and at conventions, there hasn't been a sign of her in any official trailer. From what I've observed, in my opinion, no one here is saying they are ungrateful for the use of the female Inquisitor in stage demos, twitch streams and at conventions.  Far from it, it shows to me that they are listening.  Some of this might be out of their control; as was pointed out earlier, some of that could have been done to circumvent the main marketing arm.

 

At the end of the day, I'd like to be able to hit up a website and see a lady in the inevitable Dragon Age banner ads instead of a white dude.   I'd like to be able to hit up the one site that's not adblocked and see her shown as often as the male Inquisitor.  I'd like to be able to flip on my TV and see her showcased instead, at least once in a awhile.

 

I'm not saying "Represent everyone at once!" and neither has anyone else in this thread.  That's absurd and I would speak out against that.  However, variety is the spice of life, as they say.  It makes sense to me if BioWare, at least every now and then, showed a woman.  Maybe even a non-white woman, for a change.

 

Part of the reason why I care so much about this is that there is a horrid stagnation in the marketing side of the gaming industry in particular.  The games themselves are starting to get better, and I wouldn't trade that for the world.  However, the marketing and overall depiction of women by the industry (such as booth babes) has a long way to go.

 

For me though, this goes beyond just women not being advertised to. I'm so sick of the White Guy with Stubble look it's no longer amusing.  There is several games I have passed up due to that look.  They may have been great games, but as a consumer, I'm done seeing that over..and over...and sodding over again.  

 

A few I games I took another look at, like Mass Effect, that I would have missed out otherwise.   The advertising had jack to do with that though.  It was word of mouth, in all cases.  When it comes to ME, it was after joining the DA forums and talking about the game that I even knew I could play a female Shepard.  No joke; I thought that BioWare had finally gone the CoD/BF route and just did a fixed male protagonist.  It was a disservice to the game in other respects as well.  The ad team didn't do the greatest job of making it clear it was a RPG.  

 

I didn't automatically assume BioWare = RPG.  They have been known for it yes, but I was thinking that they had caved into pressure because, let's face it, CoD and BF have made boatloads of money.  I've seen companies I've loved do this before.   Again, much of it was the way Sheploo looked, the over-emphasis on the shooter element and how heavily Sheploo was advertised with no sign at all of a female option that made me dismiss the game initially.  

 

When it comes to the male Inquisitor, I'd love to see a guy that wasn't white.  Just once, I'd like to see BioWare show off a non-white male PC that's also might be, say, an elf or a dwarf.  If for no other reason, it's because minorities have had a lot of bad representation.  While there is a few fixed male PCs and heroes that aren't white out there, you almost never see a RPG showing that in the advertising.    It's typically a game like GTA or Call of Duty.  Rarely ever an RPG and from a AAA company at that.

 

I'm hoping that, by adding my voice to the others here, that this boring and outdated mode of game advertising can finally start to change.  I don't expect it overnight, nor do I think it'll be easy.  Still, the best time to do it is now, so why not?

 

Sweet Christmas, that's a wall of text!  Sorry about that.   

[SamanthaJ]

I like P3P's cover which has both the male and female protagonists. Even if they had to use an iconic look (like Hawke with the smear on the nose or the Inquisitor with the helmet) they could at least showcase both genders and there would be no question that they were both the protagonist. If more RPGs that allowed a choice in gender did that then perhaps I'd own more RPG games.

[Grieving Natashina]

I like P3P's cover which has both the male and female protagonists. Even if they had to use an iconic look (like Hawke with the smear on the nose or the Inquisitor with the helmet) they could at least showcase both genders and there would be no question that they were both the protagonist. If more RPGs that allowed a choice in gender did that then perhaps I'd own more RPG games.

You know, myself and some of the others in this thread would be happy to share with you the RPGs we've enjoyed that have a gender choice in them, if you'd like. 

 

We should probably keep it to PM so we don't derail the thread too much by talking about other games.  

 

Also, nice shout out to an underrated series!

[Sully13]

I understand what you're getting at, and why that can be a cause for concern among gamers.  That cover suffers from having every single type of race with at least two combinations of class on it. Not to mention Bombs, chocobos and dragons.  That is a little insane.  

 

Please, don't think I'm coming down on you at all.  I'm not, because it's a more than fair question.  Also, us metalheads need to stick together, no matter where we're from.  

 

No, what has been requested before is perhaps a dual cover, with male on the back (sorry, biased, sick of seeing guys on the front cover) and the female on the front.  However,  I've also seen some folks think that the Inquisitor symbol would work.  The box art doesn't seem to be as much of a concern at this point.  I'm not trying to speak for everyone, it's just the general attitude that I've been getting from the thread as of late.

 

It's the advertising itself that I've been concerned about.  Are they going to showcase the female Inquisitor to the general public as much as the male?  Or even half as much?  Is that "blink-and-you-miss-her" trailer all we're gonna get?  Will the lady Inquisitor get the same amount of posters for game stores as the male Inquisitor? These are more rhetorical questions than questions meant for the company in all.  It's just what's been going through my mind.

 

Even more importantly, can we see a lady Inquisitor that isn't white or human? While the Qunari female has been heavily featured in demos and at conventions, there hasn't been a sign of her in any official trailer. From what I've observed, in my opinion, no one here is saying they are ungrateful for the use of the female Inquisitor in stage demos, twitch streams and at conventions.  Far from it, it shows to me that they are listening.  Some of this might be out of their control; as was pointed out earlier, some of that could have been done to circumvent the main marketing arm.

 

At the end of the day, I'd like to be able to hit up a website and see a lady in the inevitable Dragon Age banner ads instead of a white dude.   I'd like to be able to hit up the one site that's not adblocked and see her shown as often as the male Inquisitor.  I'd like to be able to flip on my TV and see her showcased instead, at least once in a awhile.

 

I'm not saying "Represent everyone at once!" and neither has anyone else in this thread.  That's absurd and I would speak out against that.  However, variety is the spice of life, as they say.  It makes sense to me if BioWare, at least every now and then, showed a woman.  Maybe even a non-white woman, for a change.

 

Part of the reason why I care so much about this is that there is a horrid stagnation in the marketing side of the gaming industry in particular.  The games themselves are starting to get better, and I wouldn't trade that for the world.  However, the marketing and overall depiction of women by the industry (such as booth babes) has a long way to go.

 

For me though, this goes beyond just women not being advertised to. I'm so sick of the White Guy with Stubble look it's no longer amusing.  There is several games I have passed up due to that look.  They may have been great games, but as a consumer, I'm done seeing that over..and over...and sodding over again.  

 

A few I games I took another look at, like Mass Effect, that I would have missed out otherwise.   The advertising had jack to do with that though.  It was word of mouth, in all cases.  When it comes to ME, it was after joining the DA forums and talking about the game that I even knew I could play a female Shepard.  No joke; I thought that BioWare had finally gone the CoD/BF route and just did a fixed male protagonist.  It was a disservice to the game in other respects as well.  The ad team didn't do the greatest job of making it clear it was a RPG.  

 

I didn't automatically assume BioWare = RPG.  They have been known for it yes, but I was thinking that they had caved into pressure because, let's face it, CoD and BF have made boatloads of money.  I've seen companies I've loved do this before.   Again, much of it was the way Sheploo looked, the over-emphasis on the shooter element and how heavily Sheploo was advertised with no sign at all of a female option that made me dismiss the game initially.  

 

When it comes to the male Inquisitor, I'd love to see a guy that wasn't white.  Just once, I'd like to see BioWare show off a non-white male PC that's also might be, say, an elf or a dwarf.  If for no other reason, it's because minorities have had a lot of bad representation.  While there is a few fixed male PCs and heroes that aren't white out there, you almost never see a RPG showing that in the advertising.    It's typically a game like GTA or Call of Duty.  Rarely ever an RPG and from a AAA company at that.

 

I'm hoping that, by adding my voice to the others here, that this boring and outdated mode of game advertising can finally start to change.  I don't expect it overnight, nor do I think it'll be easy.  Still, the best time to do it is now, so why not?

 

Sweet Christmas, that's a wall of text!  Sorry about that.   

No i agree 100% and never argued otherwise personaly i'd rather there was either a nuteral, flip cover.

or one depicting both genders.

heck even of it was simply a dragon id be fine.

[Ryzaki]

I like P3P's cover which has both the male and female protagonists. Even if they had to use an iconic look (like Hawke with the smear on the nose or the Inquisitor with the helmet) they could at least showcase both genders and there would be no question that they were both the protagonist. If more RPGs that allowed a choice in gender did that then perhaps I'd own more RPG games.

 

Well that and the opening movie

 

 

I could talk about my love of P3P all day tho.

[Malkavianqueen]

Yeah, Mass Effect was terrible in advertising you could even be a female character. I swear the back of the box said, "Play as John Shepard!". So I just assumed you had to be a set protagonist and any customization would be of this default man. I'm not much into sci fi settings as much, so it was years before I found out it was a typical bioware game and you could actually choose your gender.

 

I've been lurking in this thread for a while, but I'm in complete agreement with it. I really wish we could get a trailer featuring the female inquisitor. I'm thankful for all the gameplay trailers featuring her, and I feel like this is a step up, but...In my opinion those don't get watched by new players who aren't already at least remotely interested in the franchise.

[Sully13]

Iwas Syble Shepard the whole time. tell me none of you did at least 1 playthrough whith that name.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Yeah, Mass Effect was terrible in advertising you could even be a female character. I swear the back of the box said, "Play as John Shepard!". So I just assumed you had to be a set protagonist and any customization would be of this default man. I'm not much into sci fi settings as much, so it was years before I found out it was a typical bioware game and you could actually choose your gender.

 

I've been lurking in this thread for a while, but I'm in complete agreement with it. I really wish we could get a trailer featuring the female inquisitor. I'm thankful for all the gameplay trailers featuring her, and I feel like this is a step up, but...In my opinion those don't get watched by new players who aren't already at least remotely interested in the franchise.

It's actually pretty rare though, for a game to have a customisable character without being able to create a female character. Can you think of any? I can't think of any. I can think of games where you can't customise but can still pick your gender though.

[HuldraDancer]

It's actually pretty rare though, for a game to have a customisable character without being able to create a female character. Can you think of any? I can't think of any. I can think of games where you can't customise but can still pick your gender though.

 

Off the top of my head I can think of one though if I'm wrong please correct me on it. South Park Stick of Truth allows you to make your own character but you can only play as male from what I've seen and looked up at least. You can dress your character up as a girl but you can't play as one as far as I am aware. Again if I'm wrong please correct me I'd hate to be spreading wrong information around. Other than that game the only one I can think of is the first Fable game but thats kind of limited customization.

[Grieving Natashina]

It's hard to be able to tell that if you don't even know it's an RPG.  Part of the failure for me for ME's marketing wasn't just the lack of a visible female option.  I thought I was looking at more at a version of a sci-fi based Call of Duty game.  The main focus was on the shooting element, a lot of "Michael Bay" type action shots, and on the male protagonist.  I was on the outside looking in, so I was your more causal fan of BioWare games.  My husband thought the same thing too.  We talked about it, at the time and now.

 

I didn't even know that femShep had had a trailer at all until I joined the BSN.  My husband and I also didn't know that the ME series was even a RPG until I talked to other posters.  That's how bad it was.

 

While your point does have some merit, how does that serve to attract a new audience by not showing the female PC?  Advertising is more than just about appealing to the current fanbase, it's also about attracting a new potential market.  I honestly feel that having an RPG have a female would help with that.  I also think that not showcasing a female PC in advertising for a RPG is just silly. 

 

Simply put, why should I have to go scouring the internet for the lone trailer for ME3?  Why should I have to watch the female Inquisitor trailer twice and then double check with the forums just to know it was about her?  I shouldn't have to.

 

That's a failure of marketing, if that's all we're given as female players.  There is a large current female fanbase already, and I'm sure there is more potentially out there.  Going by that, why not appeal to the fanbase that's already there while trying to appeal to more players?

 

Editing here, because I screwed up and worded this wrong in my initial post: For Dragon Age Origins, David Gaider revealed at GDC last year that, according to their numbers, 30% of their players chose the female Warden.  That's 1 in 3 people that enjoying playing as women that had at the very least played Origins.

 

 I really think asking for another trailer that shows as much of the female Inquisitor on-screen as the male isn't asking too much.  

 

Also, assuming that everyone knows that the DA series has customization options, or that a lot of RPGs might have a gender choice would be a very lazy excuse for marketing executives to have.  

[Sully13]

It's actually pretty rare though, for a game to have a customisable character without being able to create a female character. Can you think of any? I can't think of any. I can think of games where you can't customise but can still pick your gender though.

Oh there have been a few. Transformers fall of Cybertron, (Even though thr 1st had Femmes.) TNA, the latest few Tony Hawkes.

there are a few Shooters. 

there are loads more that i cant remember right now.

[thehomeworld]

It's actually pretty rare though, for a game to have a customisable character without being able to create a female character. Can you think of any? I can't think of any. I can think of games where you can't customise but can still pick your gender though.

Back in the 90's you had many one I can think of off the top of my head Conflict series, Medal of Honor showed they could have them then didn't, COD2 played with the option of releasing 500,000 copies of a limited edition where the player could choose to be female in SP and MP but that proposal never made it past pitching it seems, Saints Row removed their fem hero, as for others well I try hard not to buy them, I've gotten many rpgs in my long gaming life wanted to play as a girl found out I couldn't and promptly returned it because that little feature killed me wanting to be in their game world.

[Sully13]

same here but just to point out jook at the recent Cod when it braught out female soldiers.

the sjws were "OH MY YOU CAN KILL WOMEN."

they did the same thing whith Saintsrow 2 3 and 4 apparently thay exploit women.

personaly i want a Chick in GTA just to p*ss them off.   

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Off the top of my head I can think of one though if I'm wrong please correct me on it. South Park Stick of Truth allows you to make your own character but you can only play as male from what I've seen and looked up at least. You can dress your character up as a girl but you can't play as one as far as I am aware. Again if I'm wrong please correct me I'd hate to be spreading wrong information around. Other than that game the only one I can think of is the first Fable game but thats kind of limited customization.

Oh that's right I did actually play that. It's one of the few. I was disappoint but the story is pretty male centric so it kinda had to be done.

 

Oh there have been a few. Transformers fall of Cybertron, (Even though thr 1st had Femmes.) TNA, the latest few Tony Hawkes.

there are a few Shooters. 

there are loads more that i cant remember right now.

I've always thought of transformers as genderless even though they probably aren't supposed to be. I mean why do freaking robots need ******. That's weird with Tony Hawk. I remember having a female skater in an old gamecube version.

 

For Dragon Age Origins, David Gaider revealed at GDC last year that, according to their numbers, 30% of their players/people that play lady Wardens were female.  That's 1 in 3 people that that are women and or/enjoying playing as women that had at the very least played Origins.  I really think asking for another trailer that shows as much of the female Inquisitor on-screen as the male isn't asking too much.  

 

Also, assuming that everyone knows that the DA series has customization options, or that a lot of RPGs might have a gender choice would be a very lazy excuse for marketing executives to have.  

I'm surprised 70% of female wardens were actually male players. It must be something like 95% for femshep huh

 

Here's the trailer for the first rpg I played that let you play a female, and my first real introduction to customisable characters really:

 

It's completely gender neutral but never really suggests a playable female character. I don't think I was surprised (although I think my brother showed me the game before I even saw a trailer), I think I've just grown up with playable female characters like Lizzie in Rampage, the Metal Slug games, and X-men on Sega.