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[Tayah]

I honestly couldn't say.  I started in June 2009 so I was there at the very tail end of development and much of that stuff simply wasn't on my radar!

I was curious because although I've lurked on and off around forums and sites since probably the middle of the DAO development cycle it wasn't until recently I started noticing mentions of cosplayers and hearing more about them. Of course since that's never been something that interested me particularly I could have massive blinkers on and simply missed it.   

[xnode]

Worry #1: When responses for developers are so politically correct, you think your game was running for president.

 

Can't get a straight answer from these guys these days can we, but then I think DA has turned into some fantasy about self improvement then a fantasy game about killing sh....

[Lady Nuggins]

I'm not sure if I agree with this.  It's long past now, but I do know that I can easily identify Hawke related art/cosplay and whatnot, which is an association with DA2.  I'm not sure if I feel I can do that with the Warden.  I have to rely on other characters, which may or may not be as ideal.

 

Very true.  But I think that worked well with Shepard--anybody, with any face and hair, can wear N7 armour, and most people recognize them as Shepard.  The armour is easily identifiable enough that the face does not matter.  Origins lacked strong iconography in other respects--the only memorable symbols and outfits are the Blood Dragon armour and, I guess, the chantry symbol.  There's no common "look" between any of the Wardens.  I think the Inquisitor is much stronger from a marketing perspective.

[Allan Schumacher]

Very true. But I think that worked well with Shepard--anybody, with any face and hair, can wear N7 armour, and most people recognize them as Shepard. The armour is easily identifiable enough that the face does not matter. Origins lacked strong iconography in other respects--the only memorable symbols and outfits are the Blood Dragon armour and, I guess, the chantry symbol. There's no common "look" between any of the Wardens. I think the Inquisitor is much stronger from a marketing perspective.

That is fair and I think that the N7 is amazing. Recognizable yet low key.

Dragon Age doesn't have anything similar.

Do you think it would still work if Shepard wasn't human?

[Nefla]

That is fair and I think that the N7 is amazing. Recognizable yet low key.

Dragon Age doesn't have anything similar.

Do you think it would still work if Shepard wasn't human?

Yes, because no one else in the game wears that armor.

[Stelae]

That is fair and I think that the N7 is amazing. Recognizable yet low key.

Dragon Age doesn't have anything similar.

Do you think it would still work if Shepard wasn't human?

Now there's an interesting question, in the light of a new ME game in development ...

 

*hopeful* can it be that I will finally realise my fondest wish of playing an Elcor?

*excited* I can't tell you how much that would rock.

[General TSAR]

Yes, because no one else in the game wears that armor.

Pretty much, you never see another N7 Marine outside of Multiplayer in the games.

[Nefla]

Pretty much, you never see another N7 Marine outside of Multiplayer in the games.

Indeed, we only see Conrad Verner in ME2 wearing that armor and he IS cosplaying Shepard

[Allan Schumacher]

Yes, because no one else in the game wears that armor.

 

But if Shepard was actually a Krogan, wouldn't the costume just be incomplete?

 

 

This is part of the challenge because it's easy to say "yes" (or "no") but the reality of it is "we'll never know."

[oceanicsurvivor]

But if Shepard was actually a Krogan, wouldn't the costume just be incomplete?

 

 

This is part of the challenge because it's easy to say "yes" (or "no") but the reality of it is "we'll never know."

 

Sorry, but incomplete how? Do you mean that the actual silhouette of the armor would have to change since its Krogan

[Allan Schumacher]

Sorry, but incomplete how? Do you mean that the actual silhouette of the armor would have to change since its Krogan

 

I'm saying that if the person didn't literally look like a Krogan, would it still be the same.  If you had two Commander Shepards beside each other, and one went with the full Krogan look and the other was just wearing the armor, would they still be appreciated the same?

 

If you're still struggling with what I am saying, try Garrus.  I find his Archangel outfit an identifying piece of equipment.  If someone cosplayed in that outfit, but didn't look like a Turian, would it still be the same? 

[Mes]

I'm saying that if the person didn't literally look like a Krogan, would it still be the same.  If you had two Commander Shepards beside each other, and one went with the full Krogan look and the other was just wearing the armor, would they still be appreciated the same?

 

 

I think so, yeah. Particularly if that ME game allowed you to play as different races.

[Nefla]

I'm saying that if the person didn't literally look like a Krogan, would it still be the same.  If you had two Commander Shepards beside each other, and one went with the full Krogan look and the other was just wearing the armor, would they still be appreciated the same?

 

If you're still struggling with what I am saying, try Garrus.  I find his Archangel outfit an identifying piece of equipment.  If someone cosplayed in that outfit, but didn't look like a Turian, would it still be the same? 

No, because Garrus is a set character and Shepard isn't. Also through the wonders of cosplay, a great looking Krogan can be made https://www.youtube....h?v=PfdJHMQY6ts If someone didn't have the skill to construct something like that they could go as a Human or Asari Shepard (assuming that had been a choice all along) and as long as you have that iconic armor we would know who it is.

[Tayah]

I'm saying that if the person didn't literally look like a Krogan, would it still be the same.  If you had two Commander Shepards beside each other, and one went with the full Krogan look and the other was just wearing the armor, would they still be appreciated the same?

 

If you're still struggling with what I am saying, try Garrus.  I find his Archangel outfit an identifying piece of equipment.  If someone cosplayed in that outfit, but didn't look like a Turian, would it still be the same? 

As Mes said if the game had included playable races I would think so assuming they've both put the same amount of effort into their costumes then I think they probably would be appreciated the same. The difficulty in this discussion of course is because ME only had human protagonists so we're guessing a little here. But if you have something iconic people can grab hold of and say "that N7 armour makes Shepard or "this helmet makes the inquisitor" then really that's what is being used to tell others who they're playing.

 

It will be interesting to see what happens in cosplaying as DAI gets closer to and actually launches since I suspect that's when we'll start to get answers to that question. Of course people looking to cosplay fem inquisitor might like to see more of her to base their costumes off... although given the excitement about her in "that hat" in the art thread they might use that for her look instead. 

[oceanicsurvivor]

 

It will be interesting to see what happens in cosplaying as DAI gets closer to and actually launches since I suspect that's when we'll start to get answers to that question. Of course people looking to cosplay fem inquisitor might like to see more of her to base their costumes off... although given the excitement about her in "that hat" in the art thread they might use that for her look instead. 

 

It will be especially interesting since they have released character kits for other characters/will for all the companions I thought, but are they for the Inquisitor themselves? Using the orangeish outfit from the trailers and cover art? I'm sure some would cosplay it regardless, but I'm sure many will turn towards cosplaying a character they have such a great costuming resource for?

[tmp7704]

Very true.  But I think that worked well with Shepard--anybody, with any face and hair, can wear N7 armour, and most people recognize them as Shepard.  The armour is easily identifiable enough that the face does not matter.  Origins lacked strong iconography in other respects--the only memorable symbols and outfits are the Blood Dragon armour and, I guess, the chantry symbol.

I disagree -- Duncan's armour and Morrigan's robes are quite memorable and easy to recognize, to give an example.

[Lady Nuggins]

I disagree -- Duncan's armour and Morrigan's robes are quite memorable and easy to recognize, to give an example.

 

But those are set characters.  We are talking about whether the Warden is recognizable on their own.  Allan pointed out that Origins is only really identifiable by the party members, and lacks a unifying look for the Warden.  Sure, you could get the mod to put your Warden in Duncan's armour, but if you cosplayed that, people would think you're just trying to cosplay Duncan.

[rapscallioness]

Oh! I like those DAO posters! That would be awesome if they did something like that for DAI. But maybe w/in game screenies instead of concept? *squee*

 

To me it's more important to see what my choices are--and I loved the lil blurbs on the DAO posters--than the PC being iconic or cosplayer friendly.

 

Actually, even now I can see the helmet and the Dat Hat---I mean Dashing Hat--becoming iconic, yet they are completely different styles. I wouldn't mind seeing cosplayers putting together and representing their own version of the Inquisitor.  Tbh, I would love to see the diff takes on the PC.

 

And I wouldn't mind seeing the actual feature of having a myriad of choices as what is "Iconic" abt BW games instead of necessarily an iconic individual. Have the feature of Choice be the symbol for DAI as opposed to one individual.

[tmp7704]

But those are set characters.  We are talking about whether the Warden is recognizable on their own.

I was questioning your statement that "the only memorable symbols and outfits are the Blood Dragon armour and the chantry symbol". I got impression the discussion moved on from the Warden specifically at that point as neither of these is really related to the PC Warden.

[slimgrin]

I'm assuming if they haven't shown a black guy in the promo material, all I can play is a white guy...cause I'm incapable of using Google.

[Lady Nuggins]

I'm assuming if they haven't shown a black guy in the promo material, all I can play is a white guy...cause I'm incapable of using Google.

 

That is a reasonable assumption to make, if you have never played a Bioware game and are not going out of your way to Google a game that is not advertising that the PC is customizable.  That is the entire point of marketing, no?  To advertise to people who do not already know everything there is to know about your game.

 

 

I was questioning your statement that "the only memorable symbols and outfits are the Blood Dragon armour and the chantry symbol". I got impression the discussion moved on from the Warden specifically at that point as neither of these is really related to the PC Warden.

 

The chantry symbol was a poor example, you're right.  But how is the Blood Dragon armour not related to the Warden?

[Mes]

I'm assuming if they haven't shown a black guy in the promo material, all I can play is a white guy...cause I'm incapable of using Google.

 

By your reasoning we wouldn't need any kind of promotional materials at all, then, if all we ever needed to do was "use google."   

[Gwydden]

By your reasoning we wouldn't need any kind of promotional materials at all, then, if all we ever needed to do was "use google."   

Man's best friend, ma'am.

[Mes]

Man's best friend, ma'am.

 

Is that sarcasm or...? Sorry I'm very tired today.

 

Please don't call me ma'am.

[Gwydden]

Is that sarcasm or...? Sorry I'm very tired today.

 

Please don't call me ma'am.

Yeah, sarcasm.

 

And point taken 

 

I would very much prefer it if the next trailer and/or screenshots featured a female Inquisitor. Seems like the smartest move, anyway, so I'd like to think they haven't done it yet because they don't want to show female or non-human models just yet.