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[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

It's not as if there aren't models of athletic, fit women who would fit that standard (e.g. a taller Gina Carano). 

It's not that. Look I'm not the kind that harps on about models needing to be all shapes sizes since they are supposed to represent an ideal. (what's next models with bad hair and short male models?)

 

But look at this bullshit:

It's like someone decided that the female of any hypothetical species has to be "fuckable" (which I believe are the exact words james cameron used about Avatar)

That's why I loved the argonians in Morrowind. Both male and female were just... lizards.

[Bugsie]

The question is are you guys being serious.

 

How do you know the warden seen in the trailers ISN'T gay? There's absolutely nothing to support that? Does he kiss anyone? Most gay people I know would be more offended by a stereotypical camp depiction of them than a lack of overt confirmation.

You're orignal statement in the context you presented it as was a little... shall we say, poorly worded for the meaning you wanted to get across?  My original response was to be flabbergasted - or in this instance fdgvdddvdfdfbdfbgasted.

 

I can only speak for myself, but I can't really tell the sexuality of someone just by looking at them (in most instances), some may be offended by stereotypes, others not so much.  My point being, sexuality is a harder thing to depict in a 2 minute trailer that is not specifically showcasing the romance aspects of the game (of which we know nothing about re sexuality)

[Karach_Blade]

Lady Inquisitor needs a trailer. 

[Mes]

Lady Inquisitor needs a trailer. 

 

LOL! Concise and to the point... I like!

[Nefla]

Lady Inquisitor needs a trailer. 

This human understands!

[tmp7704]

Transplanting a small bit from the other thread since it got locked, but the argument applies to both imo
 

Remember when video games were about marketing gameplay, mechanics and story? Good times.

Showing characters from your game (that shock, horror, may be something other than white male default) falls firmly under "marketing the story" in my eyes -- it shows potential customers that the story includes characters they will have easy time associating with, and thus hopefully will care about.

For that matter I don't think anyone bats an eyelid at marketing showing the white dudes in their promotion materials, do they? So ask yourself why you feel showing something different side by side with that... suddenly ceases to be marketing of the "gameplay, mechanics and story" in the standard "good old times" sense.

[In Exile]

It's not that. Look I'm not the kind that harps on about models needing to be all shapes sizes since they are supposed to represent an ideal. (what's next models with bad hair and short male models?)

 

But look at this bullshit:

 

It's like someone decided that the female of any hypothetical species has to be "fuckable" (which I believe are the exact words james cameron used about Avatar)

That's why I loved the argonians in Morrowind. Both male and female were just... lizards.

 

What's wrong with guys being short? Speaking as a shorter guy, it would be nice to have a PC avatar my height. 

 

I do understand what you're saying, however. The template is the same: supermodel woman and jacked mcsteroids as the male model. 

 

Transplanting a small bit from the other thread since it got locked, but the argument applies to both imo
 

Showing characters from your game (that shock, horror, may be something other than white male default) falls firmly under "marketing the story" in my eyes -- it shows potential customers that the story includes characters they will have easy time associating with, and thus hopefully will care about.

For that matter I don't think anyone bats an eyelid at marketing showing the white dudes in their promotion materials, do they? So ask yourself why you feel showing something different side by side with that... suddenly ceases to be marketing of the "gameplay, mechanics and story" in the standard "good old times" sense.

 

I've always been a fan of what KoTOR I did in its media blitz, basically running with a "who do you want to be" type of campaign. I don't see why they can't do the same for any RPG, showing off the diversity inherent in the genre in one go. 

 

That is, after all, part of the magic of the genre. Not advertising diversity in an RPG, IMO, is like not advertising shooting in an FPS. 

[Gamemako]

Lady Inquisitor needs a trailer. 

I would more agree with In Exile above. We just need a customization trailer showing Femquisition, Manquisition, Qunquisition, Blackquisition, Carrotquisition, and whatever other silly portmanteau monikers you can create.

Too bad we can't choose body types. I really wanted to use Thinquisition in that list.

[In Exile]

I would more agree with In Exile above. We just need a customization trailer showing Femquisition, Manquisition, Qunquisition, Blackquisition, Carrotquisition, and whatever other silly portmanteau monikers you can create.

Too bad we can't choose body types. I really wanted to use Thinquisition in that list.

 

While I do think diversity is a better marketing campaign, I do think if Bioware sticks with human-only protagonists in marketing they should use both genders. There's multiple threads here. 

[Lady Nuggins]

 

I feel I should make a new post to just let people know that what I said wasn't written to sound nasty. After discussing this with people in messages I realise that what I said didn't come out the way I had originally intended it to be. I am sorry if it hurt anyone and I didn't meant to be dismissive of women and what they face. I only meant that I wanted to broaden the appeal of marketing and representation of minorities to include more than just women, but also LBGT and people of various races and ethnicities.

 

 

Now that we've all calmed down and you've clarified your meaning, I'm right there with you.  I've never wanted to just switch out straight white male protag 100% of the time for straight white female protag 100% of the time.  I want to see more diversity on all fronts in these games.

 

The question is are you guys being serious.

 

How do you know the warden seen in the trailers ISN'T gay? There's absolutely nothing to support that? Does he kiss anyone? Most gay people I know would be more offended by a stereotypical camp depiction of them than a lack of overt confirmation.

 

Yeah, there is absolutely no reason why the Inquisidude we have seen so far can't be gay, or bi, or asexual.  He is a completely blank slate as far as sexuality goes.  Of course, the majority of people will assume he's heterosexual unless proven otherwise, but that's just how that goes.

 

However, I don't think that applies to how DA marketing has previously shown protags.  The Origins cover shows the silhouette of an ambiguous male Warden with Morrigan's face hovering behind him.  With no context at all, I would assume that you play as a male and that the seductive-looking woman behind him is either the villain or the love interest.  And in DA2, that trailer where mage dude Hawke fights the arishok shows him in a romance with Isabella. 

 

Sexuality is a harder thing to work into the marketing than race or gender, for sure.  Because, like you say, you can't see somebody's orientation on their face.  It has to be acted out in some way.  But if there are ways to portray heterosexuality in the marketing, then there are definitely ways to portray other kinds of romance too. 

 

It's like someone decided that the female of any hypothetical species has to be "fuckable" (which I believe are the exact words james cameron used about Avatar)

 

This is why I was so looking forward to female qunari.  Just once, I want to know what it feels like to play a truly big, powerful-looking woman.  I guess I won't get that, after all.  I should just go back to taking Shale everywhere in Origins and play her every chance I get.

[oceanicsurvivor]

This is why I was so looking forward to female qunari.  Just once, I want to know what it feels like to play a truly big, powerful-looking woman.  I guess I won't get that, after all.  I should just go back to taking Shale everywhere in Origins and play her every chance I get.

Sorry, but where was femQunari Inquisitor revealed?

[Nefla]

Sorry, but where was femQunari Inquisitor revealed?

I don't think we've seen any in game models, but every female Qunari concept art has just been sexy oddly colored human woman with little horns. Disappointing in my opinion. I want female Qunari to be big and beefy like the males.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't think we've seen any in game models, but every female Qunari concept art has just been sexy oddly colored human woman with little horns. Disappointing in my opinion. I want female Qunari to be big and beefy like the males.

 

While sexy, you can't say she isn't muscular like the men.

[Bugsie]

I don't think we've seen any in game models, but every female Qunari concept art has just been sexy oddly colored human woman with little horns. Disappointing in my opinion. I want female Qunari to be big and beefy like the males.

I didn't mind some of the concept art. I guess you can say a lot of us including developers are affected by our perception as what may be aesthetically pleasing to us. Years of social conditioning has certainly made my perception of what makes for an attractive model in a game (for both genders) seem very conventional.

[Banxey]

 

While sexy, you can't say she isn't muscular like the men.

 

She looks too human. I would rather play a male if they are going to make female qunari look like her. At the very least I hope they give her a chunkier face with some deformations.

[tara]

She's... Not really muscular like the men, though? What we've seen of the male qunari is that they look like they could crush your skull without breaking a sweat. What we've seen of the female qunari is that she's muscled in a way that looks "sexy". Nothing wrong with sexy, but it starts to get old when that's almost always the only option.

[Lady Nuggins]

 

While sexy, you can't say she isn't muscular like the men.

 

I don't mind the lack of clothing since the qunari men are barely clothed too.  I just expected to see more of a bodybuilder's body, like the men.  Look at the sheer size of the qunari males.  Although, I looked up female body builder Jelena Abbou for comparison, and when she's not flexing, her physique does actually look pretty close to that.

 

Spoiler

 

Compared to when she IS flexing, which is more what I was hoping to see:

Spoiler

 

So I don't know, I'll wait to see how they look in comparison to the other races in-game before getting too worked up over it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

She looks too human. I would rather play a male if they are going to make female qunari look like her. At the very least I hope they give her a chunkier face with some deformations.

I'm sure you can do that in CC.

 

 

I don't mind the lack of clothing since the qunari men are barely clothed too.  I just expected to see more of a bodybuilder's body, like the men.  Look at the sheer size of the qunari males.  Although, I looked up female body builder Jelena Abbou for comparison, and when she's not flexing, her physique does actually look pretty close to that.

 

Spoiler

 

Compared to when she IS flexing, which is more what I was hoping to see:

Spoiler

 

So I don't know, I'll wait to see how they look in comparison to the other races in-game before getting too worked up over it.

Well, at least someone agrees, albeit kinda.

[Bugsie]

Sexy is subjective though, for me it often has to have other things (like voice or the way they move) and of course personality and character traits. I've certainly known very (conventionally) attractive people who I thought were boring as batshit and the sex appeal of a wooden plank, and what someone would consider plain, be enormously sexy. I have at least 2 female friends who by conventional standards would not be considered 'beautiful' but damn, the way they talk,, walk and their general personality make them hella sexy.

[Banxey]

I don't mind the lack of clothing since the qunari men are barely clothed too.  I just expected to see more of a bodybuilder's body, like the men.  Look at the sheer size of the qunari males.  Although, I looked up female body builder Jelena Abbou for comparison, and when she's not flexing, her physique does actually look pretty close to that.

 

Spoiler

 

Compared to when she IS flexing, which is more what I was hoping to see:

Spoiler

 

So I don't know, I'll wait to see how they look in comparison to the other races in-game before getting too worked up over it.

 

But Jelena Abbou isn't a body builder, she's a "figure competitor" according to her wiki page which isn't the same thing. 

 

"Figure competition is a class of physique-exhibition events for women. While bearing a close resemblance to female bodybuilding, its emphasis is on muscle definition, not size."

[Hanako Ikezawa]

She's... Not really muscular like the men, though? What we've seen of the male qunari is that they look like they could crush your skull without breaking a sweat. What we've seen of the female qunari is that she's muscled in a way that looks "sexy". Nothing wrong with sexy, but it starts to get old when that's almost always the only option.

Why would she be? Qunari are are not bred for combat roles while Qunari males are. After centuries of doing this, the men will be disproportionately bigger in musculature than the women will be. 

[tmp7704]

I want female Qunari to be big and beefy like the males.

I'd like them to be taller than male kossith, if just because this rarely if ever happens with made-up species and it kinda fits with the organized hive thing they have going with the qunari...

[Banxey]

I'm sure you can do that in CC.

 

 

I have my doubts. All the male qunari have facial deformations which prevents their hair from flowing forward. Most of the female qunari have hair capable of covering their deformations which makes them look human.

[tmp7704]

Why would she be? Qunari are are not bred for combat roles while Qunari males are. After centuries of doing this, the men will be disproportionately bigger in musculature than the women will be.

If i recall right women in qunari society take care of physical labour jobs which can be just as taxing as swinging a sword -- check out the lumberjacks, e.g.

[In Exile]

Why would she be? Qunari are are not bred for combat roles while Qunari males are. After centuries of doing this, the men will be disproportionately bigger in musculature than the women will be. 

 

Although I appreciate how costly this is for Bioware so it's unrealistic, I always saw the qunari being like the Battletech clans - they'd have totally different and distinct bodytypes for their people based on their pre-assigned birth roles. So perhaps the Antam men would look like Jacked McSteoirds, whereas other roles would look quite different, since other traits would be selected for generally.