Not really. While strength isn't directly proportional to mass (nervous system optimization can give you a little edge), mass still influences it greatly.
Having endurance and the actual ability to fight, that's another thing. But raw strength depends on muscle mass and bone size/density the most.
You're assuming human muscle type. Other great apes have muscles that are much stronger than ours, pound for pound. I pointed this out earlier.
You're assuming human muscle type. Other great apes have muscles that are much stronger than ours, pound for pound. I pointed this out earlier.
You mean somebody other than me is not comparing Qunari to human ratios? Happy day! 
So you want basically this, but with horns?
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Without the fake tan and creepy face, pretty much yes. We already have elves, dwarves, and humans that look slim and beautiful, I want female Beefy McBeeferton to go with male McBeeferton.
Without the fake tan and creepy face, pretty much yes. We already have elves, dwarves, and humans that look slim and beautiful, I want female Beefy McBeeferton to go with male McBeeferton.
In that case, excuse me. I need to vomit a little. 
And again, centuries of males being bred solely for combat roles will make them disproportional. Things like thicker skin and thicker muscles so if hurt won't be as effected, bigger blood vessels to oxygenate the muscles, etc. For all we know, centuries ago the men looked a lot closer to the women in terms of size and musculature.
I'm not sure that you can breed for things in one sex but not the other (absent things that are exclusive to one sex, e.g. milk production in cows). Take spanish fighting bovines. The females are extremely aggressive, even though they are not the ones killed in the ring. The whole breed is bred for aggression, and you can't breed for something like just male aggression. I don't think artificial (or natural or sexual) selection works that way.
Edit: Nefla beat me to the punch.
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In that case, excuse me. I need to vomit a little.
Do you vomit at the male version too? Maybe that lady needs some more fat over her muscle like iron bull so we can't see her veins 
Do you vomit at the male version too? Maybe that lady needs some more fat over her muscle like iron bull so we can't see her veins
Actually, I do. I think they made the Qunari too big. I liked the Sten version much more. But then, I let it slide in DA2 since the whole thing is Varric telling a story and he tends to exaggerate.
Actually, I do. I think they made the Qunari too big. I liked the Sten version much more. But then, I let it slide in DA2 since the whole thing is Varric telling a story and he tends to exaggerate.
But Sten just has the same exact body model as humans and elves scaled up O_o at least you're consistent though. If they're going to just make them tall humans like Sten then sure, make the females more slim and pretty but make the males more slim and pretty too. I don't like that the males are unique but the females are generic.
I'm not sure that you can breed for things in one sex but not the other (absent things that are exclusive to one sex, e.g. milk production in cows). Take spanish fighting bovines. The females are extremely aggressive, even though they are not the ones killed in the ring. The whole breed is bred for aggression, and you can't breed for something like just male aggression. I don't think artificial (or natural or sexual) selection works that way.
Edit: Nefla beat me to the punch.
Again, I added that Qunari genetics are an unknown to us. We don't know what selective breeding will translate too among genders for them. For all we know, they are like the Twi'leks who through a breeding program the men were made bigger and stronger while the women were made slimmer and more flexible to serve in different tasks.
But Sten just has the same exact body model as humans and elves scaled up O_o at least you're consistent though. If they're going to just make them tall humans like Sten then sure, make the females more slim and pretty but make the males more slim and pretty too. I don't like that the males are unique but the females are generic.
Yeah, I've never been a "Keep the Qunari as the beings who are as broad as they are tall". But then who knows, maybe they slimmed the male Qunari down, with the exception of Iron Bull but his girth is part of his character.
I think that maybe the female qunari should not be quite as huge as that lady bodybuilder, but still they should be big to match the male qunari. Actually I'd say that the bodybuilder woman doesn't really match the males because her muscles bulge out more than the male qunari muscles do (that we've seen), so she'd have to be toned down a bit.
That said, I do agree that sexy slim qunari lady doesn't really feel qunari to me. She might as well be a human.
As for the breeding program argument, it doesn't fly with me because I've raised calves before, all heifers. One of those heifers looked like a bull. Breed for beefy, meaty male animals (or people) and you're gonna get beefier, meatier female animals, too, for the most part. It is possible to breed in a greater sexual dimorphism if you actively try to, but in the case of the qunari that might be counterintuitive since the women are undoubtedly doing a tremendous amount of manual physical labor. Even if they aren't engaging in warfare, plenty of them will be using that muscle bulk for things like building, smithing, masonry, farming, etc.
In other words you will only get increasing size/trait differences if you actively breed for those. If you're just breeding for strength/muscle mass/bone density, then both sexes will end up that way because you will be actively picking the two parents who best meet your criteria to improve your chances of getting what you're actually breeding for. So in other words, it wouldn't make sense to be trying to breed huge warriors by having your hugest man have children with a comparatively slight and limber woman.
And in truth, there's no reason to assume that the warriors need to be as burly as the males are. I doubt real-world medieval/Renaissance folk, even when wearing full plate, were that bulky. That's something that results from real-world weightlifting/bodybuilding/steroid abuse. All that bulk really suggests more to me either "meat animal," or "used to pull heavy wagons/farm equipment." Both are disturbing thoughts.
Pretty much the only reason that qunari might intentionally breed in greater sexual dimorphism into their species would be because logistically it's harder to feed people who have gigantic muscles. They need lots more protein. Now, that is a possibility, but in that case I'd think they'd rather not bulk up their warriors so much because then sending them overseas or over land to fight would be a logistical nightmare--think of the massive amounts of supplies you would need to send along, namely meats and legumes but also other foods to maintain proper nutrition to keep the army going. It can be hard to keep a supply line going, and if all your warriors are hulking giants with massive muscles, well, you're going to be feeding them a lot more than you would if they were tall but limber.
Throw me in the camp of people who'd like to see lady qunari bulked up (with maybe some of the deformation that the men have--such as the scales/bumpy growths) and have the qunari women's build used on the human women, to make the human women look more capable as warriors/rogues. Then the elves could have a slight build as well (I'm guessing they already do, but still), so that they look, well... like elves.
Just my two cents.
I'll be honest, this is what I always kinda imagined the Quanari females looking like (just with horns [possibly] and the grayish skin and such)
Defined/toned what have you but not ripped like that bodybuilder a page or so ago.
I'll be honest, this is what I always kinda imagined the Quanari females looking like (just with horns [possibly] and the grayish skin and such)
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Defined/toned what have you but not ripped like that bodybuilder a page or so ago.
I don't see how that is so different than this:
I think the muscles on Rasaan don't show up as much due to the pale skin. I've noticed that between two equally fit people, the one who has a tan will have the muscles show up more than the one who does not have a tan.
You're assuming human muscle type. Other great apes have muscles that are much stronger than ours, pound for pound. I pointed this out earlier.
Missed that. Makes sense, I admit I don't know much about other apes muscles.
Anyway, I hope that both male and female qunari will be big. Not "shredded, water-depleted, loaded with hgh" big, the bulky beefy kind. Some fat is good. It makes you stronger and happier and everything
I'll be honest I did not like the Quanari builds from DA2. Too much of a "beach muscle" look to it.
I didn't mind the pic they released before DA2 of the four races. Their muscles should be more defined then they were in that pic though probably...but really all women character models seem to suffer from Biowares noodle arm and 'the way I run would break a real persons back' itis. 
So, I hope that gets fixed across the board and not just for the Qunari. But given just how large Iron Bull looked in the companion shot, well, my femInquisitor better be standing shoulder to shoulder with him. My biggest concern is definitely the Qunari faces. I want a wide variety of horns for my femQunari Inquisitor and the ability to make them more or less 'human' looking. Essentially, if I can make one that looks like the Arishoks sister, the deep brow and the horns that seem to just burst out of the forhead etc and then turn around and make one that is hornless and basically looks human like Sten did, then I'll be pretty happy. There is only going to be one body type per gender/race combo, and armor will probably bulk most of them up. Character Customization is where we shall see whether Bioware will let us make awesome hulking Oxwomen or not. (imo).
I'll be honest I did not like the Quanari builds from DA2. Too much of a "beach muscle" look to it.
I'd be OK with them being built like linebackers as opposed to body builders.
But given just how large Iron Bull looked in the companion shot, well, my femInquisitor better be standing shoulder to shoulder with him.
I think that won't happen. Iron Bull is huge even by Qunari standards.
This is why I was so looking forward to female qunari. Just once, I want to know what it feels like to play a truly big, powerful-looking woman. I guess I won't get that, after all. I should just go back to taking Shale everywhere in Origins and play her every chance I get.
The golem shapeshift in the fade was the bomb. and it was still your character.
You're assuming human muscle type. Other great apes have muscles that are much stronger than ours, pound for pound. I pointed this out earlier.
Why does that matter when we're comparing male qunari to female qunari. Oh I guess only females conveniently have this muscle type that allows them strength while looking like a VS model.
In that case, excuse me. I need to vomit a little.
^ and this is the ultimate reason females will always be vixens with fancy dress party themes.
and I'm gonna go ahead and say with everyone that fighters do not look like body builders, so if male Qunaris look like body builders it wouldn't be the result of selective breeding, unless they have a heavy body building culture.
The female Qunari physique is actually completely fine for a fighter, it's the difference between the male and female that is absurd. If male Qunaris look that way naturally it would be due to an abundance of food that's high in protein and low in carbs and fat or something. Or maybe they graze all day
^ and this is the ultimate reason females will always be vixens with fancy dress party themes.
Hey, I said in my next post I didn't like the males being that huge either.
I think that won't happen. Iron Bull is huge even by Qunari standards.
Fair enough haha but Cass should still need a step stool to threaten femQunari Inquisitor with a sword like she did manquisitor. 
I'll settle for an imposing sihloutte and being the second largest person in the Inquisition-she should still do a bit of towering over people like Feathers and Cullen.
In that case, excuse me. I need to vomit a little.
To be clear: I don't find muscles attractive. At all. Especially when it gets to Iron Bull's level of ridiculousness. That's just not what does it for me.
So when I say that I want the female qunari to be beefy, it's not because it's what I think is attractive (although I find nothing wrong with finding muscly women attractive). It's because the physical differences between the races are one of the things that make them interesting. And because I am so, so tired of female characters having the exact same thin body, even when their role in the story demands that they be physically strong.
Plus... you know what? Guys get their power fantasies. They get to role play as guys who are strong, guys who are powerful, guys who are cool. We get women who are... pretty. Women who are always just pretty. I want my power fantasy too. I want to play someone with a superhero physique.
This. This is what I want.
I think it's the disproportionate differences within the qunari race that bother me. If you're going to make the males that bulky and big the females have to come close to that in most cases if that's the genetic traits of the race. I think Brass and others have summed up well that breeding for muscles would affect both genders within the species and really since it's the females that do all the smithing, building, farming and manual labour jobs you would want them to have at least as much strength and endurance as the males so why would you not breed for the same level of muscle in both at once? It would certainly seem more efficient.
Because they're supposed to be an alien race I think there were some interesting opportunities for creating a very different genetic makeup available to the devs. I would have liked to see some of the things that are normal for humans flipped, maybe the females are actually usually taller than males for example. Maybe they physically are bulkier too (I had this idea when I saw Sten in Origins after DA2 I thought maybe they could at least be of a similar scale to their male counterparts).
To be clear It's not about whether massive muscles are attractive or not I just thought it would be fun to change things up and make a very different female body type to what we usually get in games... or even media in general. When I play as a female qunari I want to see the world a little differently and as Oceanicsurvivor suggested having that feeling of towering over everyone... the total opposite to the experience of playing a dwarf who has to look up at nearly everyone
And what Lady Nuggins said, superhero(ine) physique and personality... yes please 
Yeah, I'm mindful of myself getting too muscular in real life. But we're playing a different species, one that's supposed to be "beastly" (for lack of a better word). The males wow you with their figure, while the females don't in the least. Muscles help make something look imposing and impressive 
That's Wendy, I don't think she's an attractive dog and I don't want to shag a golem either.
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