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[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Its much easier having a set body model than sliders. One of the reasons I could think of are items that the player characters use. An example is if bioware has created armor based on body models(wouldn't be the first time, they have done it in previous games). If this was the case, there will be less of an issue when it comes to adapting the armor to the body models. Instead of having the armor adapt they would have armor for 4 different classes. Simpler than the slider method. But then again, this is Soley depending on the design of their game.

I don't know. Once you already have the morphing system in the engine, the 3d artists only need to make 2 different models of each armour at each extremes.

 

Using your method they would have to make it 4 times.

[karushna5]

My only education on the hulk are saturday morning cartoons when I was little, but iirc didn't she hulk get her powers from a blood transfusion, and has a less serious case of the hulks that doesn't involve shirt ripping transformations? Yeah, I can give that a pass

Yeah but lore gets written by writers not the world around them. A guy who got it the same way would be a slightly miniaturized Hulk. I dont want shirt ripping. Make it a T Shirt as some of those still fit on him after transformation, or just make a costume that expands surely possible in a world that contains reed Richards.

She could have been Hulk with clothes and a woman, but instead she is a buxom babe whose ongoing joke is how many super heroes she has slept with as few times does a female super hero get a normal guy, but since most super heroes have their chosen lady, they are usually left without a particular Love.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

lol.

 

and yeah he already has super stretchy shorts.

[Ryzaki]

Why on earth are you talking about the comics? No one is saying it's not close enough to the comics. We're saying the extreme "dimorphism" between Male and Female Qunari is disappointing. Large size differences between males and females are possible (although when we see this in animals it's usually a big female) and this would be forgiveable if it's the first time its happened, but it's not. It's just the latest in a long line of fictional animals with sexed up female versions.

 

Many in this thread have already outright expressed that they want female Qunaris to be sexy, which I guess I can halfway understand? But I will never understand why the monsters/cat/dog/lizard people seen in other games have to be physically attractive AT ALL.

 

Someone mentioned Nyreen and how she was mostly spared from this fate, no doubt it would have been different had she been a playable character or a romance option.

 

Because that's how female Qunari look so far is why I brought up the comics. I'm not asking the devs to change a species to fit my desires as would be the case of a taller dwarf. Female Qunari were never depicted as overly bulky so me not expecting them to be is...well not strange.

 

And I'm simply saying I find the male Qunari to look ridiculous and the females following in their traits is undesirable. Though I understand your POV.

 

I like to play attractive protagonists. It's part of the appeal to me. I only find it annoying when it's over the top and simply having a smaller more athletic body type fem Qunari rather than that overly bulky male Qunari body is not that to me. Even in the DA2 concept art the female Qunari is clearly tall, toned, powerful and attractive which to me is a draw.

 

Most likely sadly.

[WildOrchid]

If the devs are to be believed, asari aren't actually 'female' (Sure Bioware).  So other than Asari, no species should be 'gender' restricted. Female Salarians usually stay on Salarian homeworlds, but not always, so there doesn't seem to be a lore reason for them to be excluded.

 

I know that isn't Dragon Age, but it will be interesting to watch the ME4 development for a lot of these same reasons; beauty standards and representation etc. Possibly more so, given that most of the species vary even further from standard human male/female forms then the species of Dragon Age do.

 

Hopefully the way Turian women were handled is indicative of how female Qunari will be. I didn't feel like they shied away from making them look as alien as their male counterparts.

 

lololololololol the ME team has said some super duper ridiculous sh!t back then, tbh. They didn't even knew how to do female Turians. (WUT)

And i'm terrified of ME4, the characters, the romances, the storyline, everything... i don't know if they'll do it better since some of the devs of ME3 are doing the new mass effect, doesn't make me feel better, at all.

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

 

Some fat is good. It makes you stronger and happier and everything

This trope does have some basis in reality.

[Ryzaki]

I was with you up until this point... I thought they were created to appeal to the "young straight male gamers" demographic marketers and others tell us are the "majority of gamers" although now I think about it maybe it was a two birds one stone thing. As a lesbian I chose to romance Liara (even if the treatment of her race irritated me no end) and I certainly thought of her as a woman... as did the codex which called her a member of an all female race in all three games...   sigh. ending rant.

 

I agree with you on pretty much all of this after all. 

 

Yes exactly, at least they could be a little taller than, if not as bulky as their male counterparts. 

 

Maybe if they had toned the qunari men down a little and toned the women up slightly so they met in a more balanced way that could work... it's the rather large disparity between the genders in the same race I have a problem with. And I totally agree female humans could use more bulk and actual arms as opposed to sticks. 

 

Also since I'm out of likes and pretty much everyone in the last few pages would get them if I had some left I'd just like to say it's really cool and a great pleasure to participate in such a good, humorous and interesting discussion, thanks all.   

 

Oh don't get me started on the Asari aren't female trololol debate. Just. *shakes head*

 

My bad about late reply just seeing this one XD

 

But yeah the disparity is ridculous. The males shouldn't be so huge. I perfectly understand Iron Bull and Arishok being massive but that shouldn't be a baseline. Also the latest art of the male Qunari looked

[Nefla]

I didn't realize she meant 'looked intimidating' since she never said that. I expected someone wanting people to not be judged on their appearance would not in turn judge people on their appearance. Those characters were simply chosen because I just finished watching Marvel stuff.

Why would I not mean women that LOOKED intimidating when we just had a long argument about how the female Qunari should LOOK? Male Qunari are unusually big, beefy, and yes physically intimidating. I want female Qunari to look that way too instead of looking like pretty pretty princesses.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why would I not mean women that LOOKED intimidating when we just had a long argument about how the female Qunari should LOOK? Male Qunari are unusually big, beefy, and yes physically intimidating. I want female Qunari to look that way too instead of looking like pretty pretty princesses.

Because I thought we were discussing something different with that request. I thought you wanted women who were bot physically attractive yet intimidating at the same time. Simple miscommunication I suppose.

[tmp7704]

Either is fine, the only thing that keeps popping into my mind is the "sexy sorceress" type which is not actually intimidating or powerful but is presented that way when really it's just a different flavor of sexualization.

I ran a quick image search to see if it'd pick up something, and this one kinda caught my eye

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questionable render quality and choice of attire aside, I have much easier time envisioning character like that standing side by side with the male kossith (with the species' facial features, obv)

[tmp7704]

I don't know. Once you already have the morphing system in the engine, the 3d artists only need to make 2 different models of each armour at each extremes.

Note, that's two different models, per armour, per body type that'd be ideally separate for each species. Which means basically doubling the workload.

While you could leverage the morphing system to have single body model used for every species just with different proportion scaling applied, that's not ideal and you face the prospect of either locking down some proportion ranges per species to ensure they remain visually different, or risk that 'anyone can be anyone' in the sense dwarves can run around with body identical to that to kossith or elf, and vice versa.

Then there's also problems scaling can bring to lining up animations of characters interacting with one another. Overall, it's a nice feature to have but whether it actually saves much (if any) work in the long run, it's debatable.

[Lady Nuggins]

I saw somebody earlier say that they'd rather see the female qunari look like Brienne of Tarth than like a bodybuilder, and I will concede this point, if she has the height to go with it.  If she can't be muscly like the male qunari, then she had better still be a giantess compared to the males of every other race.

 

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[WildOrchid]

Ngl, Gwendoline Christie is a tall goddess. /fangirlmodeoff. 

Carry on.

[oceanicsurvivor]

Yeah Dragon's Dogma had an awesome body slider... Great CC overall! If they could do it, why not Dragon Age. Meh.

 

I haven't played that, but I remember the Saints Row games had a similar slider. A lot of the clothing didn't really keep its shape once you went too far in certain directions. I like what games like Dark Souls do, where you keep the same basic shape and can just choose to add different muscularture, so you're person can be super ripped looking or have a smooth/lithe look, all within the same basic frame.

 

I was with you up until this point... I thought they were created to appeal to the "young straight male gamers" demographic marketers and others tell us are the "majority of gamers" although now I think about it maybe it was a two birds one stone thing. As a lesbian I chose to romance Liara (even if the treatment of her race irritated me no end) and I certainly thought of her as a woman... as did the codex which called her a member of an all female race in all three games...   sigh. ending rant.

They never handled this well. And yes, Liara was female, Bioware was just trying to be sneaky...it would have been super cool if they had actually used the Asari to create a species that existed outside the gender binary but they never did (their life phases were even called Maiden, Matriarch etc when they WERE id'ed originally as 'monogendered'). And they can be fathers, Liara's dad even gets mad if Shep tries to say both of them were mothers...ugh...their general reliance on gendered language that didn't even apply to them was just bizarre and a bit annoying imo. I think thats a big reason why I personally could never do the Liara romance (even though Bioware clearly wanted everyone to ). I could never get over the fact that her inclusion felt like this convoluted pretzel logic to explain why she would sleep with any Shepard. It didn't feel so much like inclusion so much as it did a natural side effect of the Asari as a male fantasy thing. (otherwise, I think Male Shep would have had a male only option too).

[Mes]

They never handled this well. And yes, Liara was female, Bioware was just trying to be sneaky...it would have been super cool if they had actually used the Asari to create a species that existed outside the gender binary but they never did (their life phases were even called Maiden, Matriarch etc when they WERE id'ed originally as 'monogendered'). And they can be fathers, Liara's dad even gets mad if Shep tries to say both of them were mothers...ugh...their general reliance on gendered language that didn't even apply to them was just bizarre and a bit annoying imo. I think thats a big reason why I personally could never do the Liara romance (even though Bioware clearly wanted everyone to ). I could never get over the fact that her inclusion felt like this convoluted pretzel logic to explain why she would sleep with any Shepard. It didn't feel so much like inclusion so much as it did a natural side effect of the Asari as a male fantasy thing. (otherwise, I think Male Shep would have had a male only option too).

 

Agreed. I think including a male version of an Asari-like species would have evened things out nicely. Though can you even imagine the outrage that would have caused? 

[Mes]

I saw somebody earlier say that they'd rather see the female qunari look like Brienne of Tarth than like a bodybuilder, and I will concede this point, if she has the height to go with it.  If she can't be muscly like the male qunari, then she had better still be a giantess compared to the males of every other race.

 

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Gfjhdfhsrt I love her. LOVE her. I love the way she looks in her new shiny armor this season, too. 

 

Women in games need that kind of armor. Badass, and practical. No boob indents.

[tmp7704]

Agreed. I think including a male version of an Asari-like species would have evened things out nicely. Though can you even imagine the outrage that would have caused? 

Male Shepard already fills the role of male version of the Asari, he'll fornicate with any and all species...

[Mes]

Male Shepard already fills the role of male version of the Asari, he'll fornicate with any and all species...

 

Lol! Take a cold shower, Shep...

 

But seriously though, if some very male looking alien came up to the PC and started going on about how they can reproduce with all species and either sex and will you please join me here in this brothel... All hell would break lose. 

[karushna5]

Lol! Take a cold shower, Shep...
 
But seriously though, if some very male looking alien came up to the PC and started going on about how they can reproduce with all species and either sex and will you please join me here in this brothel... All hell would break lose.

Very very true, we are most powerful race in galaxy, so obviously our choice of profession is strippers. Everyone is attracted to us even if their species doesnt feel attraction. I kinda like how they have children and thought that added some interesting drama and unique stories, but how it was done was very bad. The idea that even as an asari you can have krogan/hanar/human traits and DNA was actually pretty cool.

That is if they were even moderately respected as the most powerful race in the galaxy. Which they never are. You would think Turians were by the way everyone talks about them, but Asari? They are just Hot.

[Gregolian]

I hated the Asari, they all pissed me off so damn much.  It was the "living for thousands of years" part that always irked me.

 

It made it seem like they wouldn't give two shits about what else was going on in the galaxy.

[karushna5]

I hated the Asari, they all pissed me off so damn much.  It was the "living for thousands of years" part that always irked me.
 
It made it seem like they wouldn't give two shits about what else was going on in the galaxy.

If it helps Krogan live that long too. Also Thousands of years I think is more like just one thousand. Not sure though. What irked me is the so few generations since the Protheans were there. It wasnt ancient, it should have been known fairly well to some degree.

[Gregolian]

If it helps Krogan live that long too. Also Thousands of years I think is more like just one thousand. Not sure though. What irked me is the so few generations since the Protheans were there. It wasnt ancient, it should have been known fairly well to some degree.

Krogan's live long as well but unlike the Asari their ability to reproduce is practically dead.

[karushna5]

I am just saying the age doesnt seem as much of an issue because neither the Krogan or the Asari really act like it. It seems more like a random fact than relevant to who they are.

I have to admit, I am curious how they will do female Krogans in ME4. At least it is now cannon that they are just as big.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If it helps Krogan live that long too. Also Thousands of years I think is more like just one thousand. Not sure though. What irked me is the so few generations since the Protheans were there. It wasnt ancient, it should have been known fairly well to some degree.

Asari live to be around 1000. Krogan live about twice as long.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I am just saying the age doesnt seem as much of an issue because neither the Krogan or the Asari really act like it. It seems more like a random fact than relevant to who they are.

I have to admit, I am curious how they will do female Krogans in ME4. At least it is now cannon that they are just as big.

I bet they'll be like the Salarians and appear the same. I mean, they are tortoise people after all.