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[The Hierophant]

When I was working as a cashier at Walmart years ago, this lady came through my line with two little boys (maybe 6 and 8) who were jumping around all excited and the latest GTA (don't remember which one it was). I was suspicious based on the way the kids were acting and having played the game myself (and being able to read the M rating on the cover) and was like "ma'am, this isn't for them is it? It's an M rated game and it's really violent" thinking maybe she didn't know but she just looked embarrassed and said "well they already have the other one..."

I would've been like...

Hiero: "Hell yeah little fellas!" *high fives kids*

Ignorant Mom: "W-what! Watch your language in front of m-"

Hiero: "Just got that game the other day too. In this one you could *expletive* a... (3 minute long mind numbing curse ridden recollection of the games' new features.)... and that's the end of that. Definitely worth the purchase though."

Not So Ignorant Mom: *Looks upon her children with a sweat soaked, slack jawed face paled from shock* "Y-you're not getting this game!"

Kids: "No! We wan- (intelligible whining)"

Enlightened Mom: "Don't say no to me! We are leaving now! "*grabs up kids storms off*

Kids: *looks back* "I HATE YOU!" *mean mugs mad hard*

Hiero: "Join the club. The President? Me." *sneaks sip of JD from flask hidden on his person*

Floor Manager: "Hiero what's the problem?"

Hiero:: *fumbles with hiding the flask* "Nothing much. Just some kids trying to trick their mom into purchasing the new GTA."

Floor Manager: " You mean the one in which you could *expletive* a... (3 minute mind numbing curse ridden recollection of the games features.)

Hiero: "Yup."

Floor Manager: "Oh *expletive*."

[Mockingword]

I mean, the fact that a variety of guys who do enjoy it also sexualize it is one issue. They found the characters likeable, which to a varying sense most people agree, are. So  it got sexualized instead. I have a friend who thinks the whole issue over bronies is stifling their expression of sexuality, and has argued to guys using sexy pictures of women and ponies right next to each other arguing a "hole is a hole"

 

One reason I am torn with the romances are there are only 3 women, as a lesbian I want my romantic options to be 2 of those 3. i know guys will have at least 1 as well for them, then the issue becomes are none of the female companions single? It has less to do with "not needing a man" and a whole lot more to do with women in media are usually condensed to what they are in relation to sex.

I think the fact that these men refer to women as "holes" in the first place pretty thoroughly demonstrates the problem with bronies. 

[Mes]

That's the thing: media for girls and women generally tends to be lower quality (because it tends to get less funding, less effort, less everything), so when something made for women turns out to actually be good, people act shocked.  Same thing happened with movies like The Heat and Bridesmaids.  So many journalists and film reviewers were shocked?? that there's a comedy full of women??? and it's funny????

 

 

Ugh. My boyfriend LOVED both those films, but I had to force him to watch them. Because they were "chick-flicks" and hence automatically substandard.

 

I hate this. I really do. It's plain unfair. How many awesome movies did we miss out on because execs are too afraid to steer away from the "white man + hollow lady love interest (bonus points if she's stuck at home crying with a small child) + explosions" formula.

[Tayah]

Ugh. My boyfriend LOVED both those films, but I had to force him to watch them. Because they were "chick-flicks" and hence automatically substandard.

 

I hate this. I really do. It's plain unfair. How many awesome movies did we miss out on because execs are too afraid to steer away from the "white man + hollow lady love interest (bonus points if she's stuck at home crying with a small child) + explosions" formula.

Probably quiet a few sadly  (dramatically understating actually) and if you think about it movies and tv shows with ensemble casts are usually dominated with more males than females often significantly so... the add that pops up for the new x-man movie in my browser shows Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto both the younger and older versions and mystique the one woman who is actually not an x-woman and is usually an enemy with a tiny Storm at the top right while the movie posters have one poster with her and Wolverine back to back and the two versions of Magneto and Xavier with tiny figures of other x-men including Beast (the only one I can clearly make out since I'm looking at them online and they don't seem to size up) while the poster for the 3D version is Wolverine between Magneto and Xavier the younger on one side and Magneto and Xavier the elders on the other... not even Mystique makes it to this one. 

 

I mention the x-men movie because I was looking forward to it originally but the more of the advertising I see for it the less excited I get it looks like the only female character with much screen time is Mystique not even an x-woman while the actual x-women are left very much on the side lines    I hope that's not the case when I actually see it but somehow I think it will be. My brother warned me that most of Rogue's part was cut "for pacing" why are male parts not cut for pacing? sigh.

 

And the "chick flick" is another example of movies being geared to a particular stereotype of what women are supposed to like to watch. Usually I hate them though my Aunt and female cousin tend to like a lot of them while they can be very hit and miss with my mum. My brothers like them if there are lots of cat fights and dramas though so go figure. As I hate chick flicks and haven't actually seen either film while I might watch the Heat if someone else were already watching it I would avoid the other one though as it's the kind I like least from the adds I've seen of it.

 

Of course I'm making my judgements here based off the adds I've seen for all these movies really which is kind of the point... advertising can turn people on or off a product very quickly and why advertising for anything needs to be multifaceted to get as much attention as possible they also need to take into account that people receive adds differently and that not all  women (or all men) think the same or like the same things because we're people too.  

 

I think this thread has shown that women and men are tired of the same marketing being thrown at us repeatedly and would like to see something new that actually shows off the features of the game that really attracts many of us men and women alike and that seems to be choice and customisation.    

[Mes]

 

And the "chick flick" is another example of movies being geared to a particular stereotype of what women are supposed to like to watch. Usually I hate them though my Aunt and female cousin tend to like a lot of them while they can be very hit and miss with my mum. My brothers like them if there are lots of cat fights and dramas though so go figure. As I hate chick flicks and haven't actually seen either film while I might watch the Heat if someone else were already watching it I would avoid the other one though as it's the kind I like least from the adds I've seen of it.

 

 

 

I personally hate the term "chick flick" as it can basically be used to describe any movie that has more than one lead woman in the cast. It's a very demeaning term, and purposefully so, just because the actors on the screen are women! Though I get that typically it is used to describe soppy romance movies with... I don't know, lots of shopping? Or whatever it is that "chicks" do?

 

Well let me take this opportunity to highly recommend Bridesmaids. It's very, VERY good. It's smart, funny, and brutal. It is definitely not a stereotypical "chick flick" type movie.

 

And The Heat is hilarious and has some very shocking moments as well. Not anywhere near the realm of "chick flick".

[Felya87]

When I was working as a cashier at Walmart years ago, this lady came through my line with two little boys (maybe 6 and 8) who were jumping around all excited and the latest GTA (don't remember which one it was). I was suspicious based on the way the kids were acting and having played the game myself (and being able to read the M rating on the cover) and was like "ma'am, this isn't for them is it? It's an M rated game and it's really violent" thinking maybe she didn't know but she just looked embarrassed and said "well they already have the other one..."

 

*groan*

Sometimes I feel like I was the only kid who had responsible parents, so didn't played great games like Silent Hill or Dino Crysis (that one I had almost purchased, but my dad made me change it with Spyro 3.)

Now I can understand their concerns and all, and if I'm going to became a mother, I'll probably do the same with my kids.

[In Exile]

I personally hate the t

erm "chick flick" as it can basically be used to describe any movie that has more than one lead woman in the cast. It's a very demeaning term, and purposefully so, just because the actors on the screen are women! Though I get that typically it is used to describe soppy romance movies with... I don't know, lots of shopping? Or whatever it is that "chicks" do?

 

Well let me take this opportunity to highly recommend Bridesmaids. It's very, VERY good. It's smart, funny, and brutal. It is definitely not a stereotypical "chick flick" type movie.

 

And The Heat is hilarious and has some very shocking moments as well. Not anywhere near the realm of "chick flick".

 

I thought Bridesmaids was one of the most depressing movies I've ever seen. I just felt absolutely terrible for Kristen Wigg's character, whose life was basically a never-ending spiral of betrayal and unhappiness. 

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I personally hate the term "chick flick" as it can basically be used to describe any movie that has more than one lead woman in the cast. It's a very demeaning term, and purposefully so, just because the actors on the screen are women! Though I get that typically it is used to describe soppy romance movies with... I don't know, lots of shopping? Or whatever it is that "chicks" do?

 

What. Chick flicks are usually romantic comedies or just targeted at female fantasies rather than male fantasies. ie. Unlucky girl gets the man of her dreams, played by a heartthrob; instead of the other way round.

 

I'm not sure if Hunger Games is a chick flick, but the Simpsons certainly seems to think so. And it does it without using the traditional roles.

 

and afaict Twillight has very few female charcters? It's mainly a bunch of men worshipping bella isn't it?

 

On the other hand you have something like "Leafie, a hen in the wild" and "Conviction", which are not chick flicks but rather about motherhood and familial love, respectively.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What does chick flicks have to do with showing the Female Inquisitor? 

[Mes]

I thought Bridesmaids was one of the most depressing movies I've ever seen. I just felt absolutely terrible for Kristen Wigg's character, whose life was basically a never-ending spiral of betrayal and unhappiness. 

 

Yeah depressing at points for sure. Happy ending, though! 

[In Exile]

Yeah depressing at points for sure. Happy ending, though! 

 

I think that's very much a YMMV. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah depressing at points for sure. Happy ending, though! 

I was certainly happy when it was over. 

[Mes]

I think that's very much a YMMV. 

 

A what? 

[Allan Schumacher]

A what? 

 

Your mileage may vary.  (Most likely "Up for interpretation" in this context)

[Mes]

Your mileage may vary.  (Most likely "Up for interpretation" in this context)

 

Ahhh k, thanks Allan!

[Tayah]

What. Chick flicks are usually romantic comedies or just targeted at female fantasies rather than male fantasies. ie. Unlucky girl gets the man of her dreams, played by a heartthrob; instead of the other way round.

 

I'm not sure if Hunger Games is a chick flick, but the Simpsons certainly seems to think so. And it does it without using the traditional roles.

 

and afaict Twillight has very few female charcters? It's mainly a bunch of men worshipping bella isn't it?

 

On the other hand you have something like "Leafie, a hen in the wild" and "Conviction", which are not chick flicks but rather about motherhood and familial love, respectively.

I tend to find that "chick flicks" are most often straight romances of some kind be that rom com or female fantasy and the female lead seems to be fairly one dimensional in many cases often getting in her own way with romance and maybe shopping as her only real goals (yes I'm exaggerating... I think   ). Marketing and movie execs seem to think that romance is the only thing women want in their movies while men get action, superheros, sci fi, fantasy, thrillers, crime capers, sports movies and many more genres many with "romance"¹ included aimed at them... as though they're the only ones who would like those things and women can only like romances and maybe an occasional drama to break up the romances... slightly. I may be in a cynical mood atm but that's how it feels from the movies produced and marketed lately. And by the way there's no problem with making romances or with women liking them the problem is with the apparent assumption that that's all women want to watch all the time.

 

According to my brother Hunger Games is not a "chick flick" and is a movie I'd like though I haven't seen it yet precisely because it doesn't stick to traditional roles and the female heroine outsmarts a lot of people to help her family and consequently change her society or so my brother says. Twilight has 3 other main female characters (in the books anyway... my cousin made me read them  ) all of whom are happily paired off and it's 2 guys worshipping Bella... kinda but it is totally about the romance just with vampires and werewolves thrown in.  

 

1. Romance in this case includes but is not limited to hot women to be token love interests, hook ups, casual sex and fantasy wish fullfillments (straight of course)  

What does chick flicks have to do with showing the Female Inquisitor? 

Part of examples of media and advertising limiting female content to stereotypical or limited roles and why we want female inquisitor to be shown as she is different to the limited roles given to other females in games and movies etc. For a start she appeals to people of different genders, races, sexual preferences and nationalities with different likes and dislikes and yet we're all here asking to see more of her in advertising so that's some pulling power right 

[WildOrchid]

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Yeah, X-Men is mostly about Wolverine sh!tfest now, it doesn't feel like x-men anymore. Where's Jean Grey? Why don't the other ladies get as much screen time as wolfie?

Meh. So not excited about new x-men anymore since it's all about Hugh Jackman and his muscles and how angry he can get.

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Goooodddd don't get me started on Wolverine, he's suffocating ALL the other x-men. Scott, you're the leader of the x-men right? No you don't exist.

The X-men were probably my favourite comic book characters as a child but now I think the last x-men thing I enjoyed was the first movie, or X-men evolution.

 

Which is a real shame when Hugh Jackman himself is so super loveable.

[Bugsie]

Chick flicks I'm okay with.  Have a few faves even.

 

Chick lit though, that's another matter (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[Tayah]

Yeah, X-Men is mostly about Wolverine sh!tfest now, it doesn't feel like x-men anymore. Where's Jean Grey? Why don't the other ladies get as much screen time as wolfie?

Meh. So not excited about new x-men anymore since it's all about Hugh Jackman and his muscles and how angry he can get.

They killed Jean Grey in the end of x-men 3 and de-powered Rogue 

 

On the upside this movie does kind of become a reset so maybe we'll see them back in the next one (already planned about apocalypse apparently though not sure when it's set) and there are rumours Hugh Jackman is planning to hang up the claws before it so maybe others will get the chance to star  Sadly I don't think it will be the ladies even if it should have more of them in it. 

 

I grew up watching the cartoons on TV with my brother and they were based a lot closer to the comics from what I can tell so yeah I miss the rest of the cast... except Gambit, I was never really a Gambit fan.

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Has anyone watched the latest flick? The trailer was giving off the "Wolverine the Messiah" vibe again so I haven't been too keen.

[Tayah]

Has anyone watched the latest flick? The trailer was giving off the "Wolverine the Messiah" vibe again so I haven't been too keen.

Not yet for exactly that reason but my brothers will probably get me to see it sooner or later... atm I'm fine with later. Yeah everything I've seen or heard has been Wolvie the Messiah too... originally it should have been Bishop or Kitty Pryde that time travelled in comics or cartoons but Wolvie is director Bryan Singer's favourite x-man so my brother says and that's why he gets all the attention... plus Hugh Jackman is likeable... which he is but so are Halle Berry and Anna Paquin.

 

But according to my brother the other reason Wolvie and now Mystique are getting so much screen time is that they're popular with fans who like the way they're being portrayed particularly Jen Lawrence's vulnerable Mystique in the last movie (which didn't have much Wolvie... when he's around we don't see much of the rest it seems). 

[WildOrchid]

Rebecca Romijn was perfect as Mystique tbh.