Are you serious? What.the.****. Do they not have concept of what a customer or business is? And then an attempted robbery? I hope the discs were just an honest mistake
Im not really sure it was a mistake, the game manuals for both games were inside but not the disks, felt like a deliberate way to make it difficult for me
First posts are scary :/
Two things, I suppose- one, I'm really excited to see some of Bioware's art and footage of a female inquisitor, and not just for representation, but because it will give me a better idea of how I will be able to portray my female inquisitor when October arrives. I'll still end up spending hours in character creation regardless, but at least I might be able to go in with some ideas. They seem to be showing a lot of scenery and locations recently, and as beautiful as they are, I want to see people!
Secondly- I'm glad (well, sort of) that it's not just me who has been treated differently for being a girl in game stores, though nothing has been negative so far.
Of course they do, they not stupid, they try to get publicity doing something "good". And what if man looking job like this come and he doing it good, but he will be not hired because he is man, I think something like what called sexism.
Ah, and here is where privilege raises its insidious head. Privilege is subtle, because most people who have it, don't realize that they do, and from their honest perspective, it is an injustice for an organization to declare "We don't have enough of x, y or z type people in this place, so we are opening up a job specifically for a qualified individual who is x, y, or z." To someone who is a, b, or c the message comes across as "This job is NOT FOR YOU because of your race/ gender/ age/whatever," when what the organization is actually saying is "We have made it a policy of hiring a,b, and c in the past. We are attempting to correct the fact that many x, y, or z's weren't offered a job or seriously considered for a position before this, despite their capabilities." It's kinda like the M&M example used in another thread. In the case of the moderator job being discussed here, men are getting 9 out of every 10 packs of M&M's at that company, and the company is simply trying to take one of those packs and transfer it over to the chocolate-starved women. Does this reduce the number of M&M's that the men are getting? Well, yes, it does; but is it really unfair to take one pack of M&M's from someone who already has 9 and give that pack to an equally qualified, equally skilled group of people who only have 1?
I had similar experiences like that but the worst experience ive had was with a cashier that didn't like female gamers when i went to HMV to buy Demons Souls & Dark Souls. The guy serving rolled his eyes & pretty much asked why a girl would buy those games as well as asking lots of questions about what i knew about RPG's, he then proceeded to give me 2 empty boxs without the disks inside, i didn't realise till i got home what he'd done & had to travel all the way back to actually get what id paid for
Wow that guy sounds like a damned moron and probably an overall horrible person. Aside from the attempt to rip me off once in a while I've never had this happen even in the crappy GameStop close to me, but now I feel like I should make it a point to check the games to make sure they're in there next time I buy one. Damn I'm sorry that happened to you hopefully that guy got fired for treating customers like that. That kind of treatment should not be tolerated under any circumstances.
I agree BW does need to show or at least state in their trailers that you can be a female version I still run into people who don't know you can be a woman in ME and ME2 let alone DA and thats a problem.
Whenever I see a cool game out the first question I ask if they aren't making it clear you're an established hero (like Geralt for example) is can i be a girl? Heck I was going to just skip fallowing the Divsion because I thought it was a pre-established male hero aka typical in a save the world games then in a tiny little box off to the side they said you can be a woman if you want and I've been fallowing the game now because that means I can play a lead I'll have more immersion with, I don't always skip over male leads I've got quite a bit in my collection but in order for these games to be in my collection they've got to really draw me in for a guy lead I've got to really want in most cases to be his shadow there are very few games were I wanted to BE him.
I also agree with showing her in some way I know DA so while I'm not worried about physically seeing her when I was worried when Bound by Flame wasn't showing their fem lead I was left in the dark would I like how she looks will she be normal or super model? can I costomize her at all? Will she wear the same armor as the man or get sexy version? I didn't like being left in the dark over what she could look like even a sketch shown of the male and hero female stating in text pick your gender or choose your hero would've been a great add to the trailers so I'm not in the dark.
BW needs to place it in trailers not just in articles heck even on the box on the back at least put in choose your gender or hero all of us who've played DA don't need to know you can switch genders its for everyone else who is either new to DA or likes the midievil fantasy worlds but wants a different lead it lets them know its there and could up the sales it sure isn't going to demish them by stating guys defult but you can be a girl.
She doesn't need her own trailer the fem traler just confused people if I ask other people male or female about ME they go, " Hey that's the game where you can play as the girl in the third game right?" and I go, " Actually she's there for the whole trilogy," then they go, " Really? I didn't know that." Just add referances to her. I found a fourm once were someone was making referance to another rpg where you could pick your gender and they gave a great way to advertise it: Show beautiful scenes of the world, show combat and other themes your game will have then have some villager voices say, " I heard he killed 1,000 men," " I heard she killed razed the town of ..." basically stating deeds you can do in game but alternating between male and female pronouns so it says subtily you can be either hero type it was an effective on paper stratagy that conveys the choice but w/o a lot of extra things heaped in.
I hate that word now. 'privilege'. Why can't a person be judged as a person and not by categorizing them into groups like gender, race, sexual orientation, or religion?
Because people are already judged by those categories, and pretending they don't exist doesn't help anybody except those who are already advantaged?
In an ideal world, we wouldn't even have to talk about whether we'll ever get to see the female Inquisitor in advertising, because women would already have relatively equal treatment in the media. Same way that we wouldn't have to talk about PoC Inquisitors, or whether there will be enough LGBT representation. If those groups did not have to fight for representation, we would not have to talk about those categories at all.
Im not really sure it was a mistake, the game manuals for both games were inside but not the disks, felt like a deliberate way to make it difficult for me
To be honest I myself would love to have a female inquisitor on the cover of the game and in more trailers that would be awesome to let the female inquisitor shine more in this one.
I admit the only reason I am really curious about this is because I want to hear her voice. One of her voices. The Male Inquisitor we've heard sounds so amazing and BA that I want to go play him this time around and since Voice Acting seems to be really important for me to get in character, and get the character, I just really want to see what the Femquisitor can do since I did enjoy Fem Hawke and Fem Shep so much.
Lol. That's pretty sad, if true.
I'm willing to bet that if a girl ("pretty" or otherwise) sits down at a table full of gamer guys, she's probably just doing it because... well... because she's a human being who is interested in gaming and wants to talk to like-minded people about her interests?
Not everything women do or don't do revolve around men.
Yes, I suppose it is somewhat 'sad.' But it's roots would be anxiety and low self-esteem, not malice.
That's just how humans are. Even if there's a 0% chance of any kind of romance or intimacy, people still become ashamed if they think of themselves as ugly or undesireable to someone. Nobody likes feeling that way, and of course they would turn it off if they could.
So...ultimately, the answer is no, people can't treat others as 'just humans beings.' There's going to be involuntary emotions like this that pop up, and you're not going to accomplish anything by telling people to just get over it.
Yes, I suppose it is somewhat 'sad.' But it's roots would be anxiety and low self-esteem, not malice.
That's just how humans are. Even if there's a 0% chance of any kind of romance or intimacy, people still become ashamed if they think of themselves as ugly or undesireable to someone. Nobody likes feeling that way, and of course they would turn it off if they could.
So...ultimately, the answer is no, people can't treat others as 'just humans beings.' There's going to be involuntary emotions like this that pop up, and you're not going to accomplish anything by telling people to just get over it.
I never said "get over it" to anyone.
And to be honest I don't think there's any excuse for bad behavior toward others (whether it's sexist, misogynistic or other). Everyone's got problems. Everyone's had crap happen to them, everyone's had people treat them badly at one point or other.
Doesn't excuse bad behavior. There are plenty of people who have suffered worse and still manage to treat others with respect.
No, it doesn't excuse it.
I wouldn't be suprised if Bioware does the same thing they did for ME3. Have a female trailer shortly before DAI is released and with game in hand you can change the cover from a maleshep to a femshep if you choose or in DAI's case a male inquisitor to a femquisitor
I wouldn't be suprised if Bioware does the same thing they did for ME3. Have a female trailer shortly before DAI is released and with game in hand you can change the cover from a maleshep to a femshep if you choose or in DAI's case a male inquisitor to a femquisitor
They intentionally made the cover gender ambigious.
Because people are already judged by those categories, and pretending they don't exist doesn't help anybody except those who are already advantaged?
In an ideal world, we wouldn't even have to talk about whether we'll ever get to see the female Inquisitor in advertising, because women would already have relatively equal treatment in the media. Same way that we wouldn't have to talk about PoC Inquisitors, or whether there will be enough LGBT representation. If those groups did not have to fight for representation, we would not have to talk about those categories at all.
I know that.
It just seems a little...hypocritical I guess is a good term, to do the same. "We don't want you putting us into groups, you who we put into groups." 
I know that.
It just seems a little...hypocritical I guess is a good term, to do the same. "We don't want you putting us into groups, you who we put into groups."
I don't see why, though. When I say that somebody is white or straight or male, that is not an insult. That is a simple statement of fact.
When I say that every default protagonist that Bioware has had in the past has been a white man, that does not mean that I am saying that there is anything wrong with white men. What it DOES mean is that, by choosing only to show white men, they have excluded every kind of human that does not fall into that category.
The only way I can talk about this is by pointing out that they are white and male. I can't promote the inclusion of women without talking about the proliferation of men. I can't promote the inclusion of PoC without talking about the proliferation of white people. By ignoring the fact that the default protagonist is a white man, you also ignore the issue.
I don't see why, though. When I say that somebody is white or straight or male, that is not an insult. That is a simple statement of fact.
When I say that every default protagonist that Bioware has had in the past has been a white man, that does not mean that I am saying that there is anything wrong with white men. What it DOES mean is that, by choosing only to show white men, they have excluded every kind of human that does not fall into that category.
The only way I can talk about this is by pointing out that they are white and male. I can't promote the inclusion of women without talking about the proliferation of men. I can't promote the inclusion of PoC without talking about the proliferation of white people. By ignoring the fact that the default protagonist is a white man, you also ignore the issue.
I'm not meaning you specifically. It's the "Check Your Privilege" crowd that irks me in this situation.
I'm not meaning you specifically. It's the "Check Your Privilege" crowd that irks me in this situation.
People should be aware of the ways in which they both benefit from and are hurt by their various identities. That is all that means. 
I hate that word now. 'privilege'. Why can't a person be judged as a person and not by categorizing them into groups like gender, race, sexual orientation, or religion?
Privilege isn't about judgement. Privilege is about categorisation, and what happens because of it.
It's about recognising that the groups we fall into, including the characteristics we have no choice about, may give us advantages or disadvantages in any given situation. It doesn't make us better or worse people--if someone throws the word 'privilege' at you like an accusation, they are doing it wrong--but it might mean that the world treats us differently, and either gives us things or takes away things based on a bunch of stuff none of us can control, or that not everyone can have.
When you recognise that being Caucasian looking in Australia means that the police will treat you differently, you understand more about the world, and you understand that you can't really know what it's like to be, say, African looking and have to deal with the police. All you can do is listen to people who are African (we have a lot of Sudanese refugees where I live, and there's a growing body of evidence that the police are discriminating against them) when they talk about their experiences, and act as an ally to them.
It's an ongoing revelation; once you start to think about how being your particular ethnicity, your gender, having your level of education, your status as able-bodied (or not) and so on gives you advantages (once, in other words, you start to 'check' your privilege), you start to see all sorts of new ways to understand justice and injustice, how you react to people, how they react to you, where the gaps in your knowledge are. It's useful.
People should be aware of the ways in which they both benefit from and are hurt by their various identities. That is all that means.
Doesn't give them the right to insult or belittle those who are more "privileged" than them.
Being called "privileged" can be so hurtful. 
Being called "privileged" can be so hurtful.
Calling someone things like racist, sexist, etc just because they fit the "straight white male" generalization on the other hand even when they aren't can be.
Calling someone things like racist, sexist, etc just because they fit the "straight white male" generalization on the other hand even when they aren't can be.
Really? Being prejudged makes you feel bad?
Imagine that.
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