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"Chick Flicks" also seem to provide fantasies for very few set of women. The underdog story is rare and the morals, if any, center around beauty and the entire movie is centered on the guy(sometimes, actually half the time, HE is the protagonist) while guy movies center around doing stuff which also leads to the girl. If fashion and love is your chief fantasy, its great. But if you happen to not care about your looks, and your only goal is not a guy, it rings hallow. Even fashionable women probably want to be more James Bond (fashionable man who does stuff and gets the love intrest) than just the girl in 51st dates.

We like active characters, but our own movies usually put us in a passive role. Our movies are usually revenge or romance. And revenge rarely is a guys revenge for a death but more love revenge. Women dont do much in Chick Flicks, most of the time. The romance isnt the issue as much as a complete lack of anything but romance while guys get to do stuff and the romance is the reward, not the goal.

Well it's basically that Taylor Swift song.

 

The other difference is that instead of people like Jonah Hill, the "loser girl" is almost always pretty anyway, just with bad hair. Again see Taylor Swift song. I don't even know whether that's the movie maker's fault or it's because it's nearly impossible for unattractive women to make it as an actress.

[oceanicsurvivor]

Well it's basically that Taylor Swift song.

 

The other difference is that instead of people like Jonah Hill, the "loser girl" is almost always pretty anyway, just with bad hair. Again see Taylor Swift song. I don't even know whether that's the movie maker's fault or it's because it's nearly impossible for unattractive women to make it as an actress.

That would still make it movie makers fault.

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Well not THAT specific movie, but rather the industry. Or maybe it's the public fault for preferring to look at pretty women.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

With the game going Alpha now I expect to see some content on the Lady Quisitor very very soon.  *drums on table and gives BioWare the evil eye*

 

I just hope the trailer is half as good as 'Reinstated' was.

Reinstated? 

[Vegeta 77]

Reinstated? 

Femshep trailer

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Femshep trailer

Ah, okay. 

[Blue Gloves]

The lack of Femquisitor on the official page was brought up earlier in this thread, actually.  I think there's been hints that there will be Femquisitor focused content coming soon, but I'm not 100% sure what's been said - it was probably via Twitter.  I think there's still only been a few places where she's been shown recently.

 

It's nice to know that some more femquisitor- focused content is in the works, and I truly am not trying to sound like a whiny brat here, because I very much agree with other posters about the speed and size of this ship, and I truly appreciate Bioware's commitment to diversity and inclusivity... but it's rather disheartening to know that we're only 4 1/2 months from launch and yet, there has been barely any indication at all that there is even an option to play as a female protagonist in any media outside of a few obscure twitter references and within a forum of fans who presumably already know that a bioware rpg will include the option to play as either gender.  I understand that someone had to be developed for advertising and beta gameplay first, and that we still live in a world where the male protagonists is going to come first due to marketing pressures and societal impressions.  I just hoped that, this close to release, we'd have had a glimpse of an armor clad femquisitor, or maybe a female voice over.  After the ME3 media team realized that there was such a demand for femShep and decided to respond with "Reinstatement,"  I kinda hoped that it would be the beginning of a policy of giving more equal face time to female protagonists in subsequent Bioware titles.

[Captain_Harkness]

It's nice to know that some more femquisitor- focused content is in the works, and I truly am not trying to sound like a whiny brat here, because I very much agree with other posters about the speed and size of this ship, and I truly appreciate Bioware's commitment to diversity and inclusivity... but it's rather disheartening to know that we're only 4 1/2 months from launch and yet, there has been barely any indication at all that there is even an option to play as a female protagonist in any media outside of a few obscure twitter references and within a forum of fans who presumably already know that a bioware rpg will include the option to play as either gender.  I understand that someone had to be developed for advertising and beta gameplay first, and that we still live in a world where the male protagonists is going to come first due to marketing pressures and societal impressions.  I just hoped that, this close to release, we'd have had a glimpse of an armor clad femquisitor, or maybe a female voice over.  After the ME3 media team realized that there was such a demand for femShep and decided to respond with "Reinstatement,"  I kinda hoped that it would be the beginning of a policy of giving more equal face time to female protagonists in subsequent Bioware titles.

Ok I understand that some people want to see more of the female inquisitor and there is nothing wrong with that. Bioware more then most companies has truly attempted more diversity on a variety of things. My viewpoint on this whole thing is that theres nothing nothing wrong with showing or not showing both genders. No one is trying to exclude females as far as I know. As far as I can tell it all coems down to marketing, and theres really nothing wrong with that. They are selling a product and if showing the main protaganist as a male in all the major releases gets them better results then why not. That being said, I wholly approve of concept art or others to show her off. Also, i don;t know where you get the idea that people will only find out about gender options years later or thats it's being hidden. Both the wiki and the dragon age website clearly state you can play an inqusiitor of any of the 4 races MALE or FEMALE. Frankly, anyone who doesn't realize you can play a female inqusiitor either doesn't care or isn't paying attention.

[In Exile]

It's nice to know that some more femquisitor- focused content is in the works, and I truly am not trying to sound like a whiny brat here, because I very much agree with other posters about the speed and size of this ship, and I truly appreciate Bioware's commitment to diversity and inclusivity... but it's rather disheartening to know that we're only 4 1/2 months from launch and yet, there has been barely any indication at all that there is even an option to play as a female protagonist in any media outside of a few obscure twitter references and within a forum of fans who presumably already know that a bioware rpg will include the option to play as either gender.  I understand that someone had to be developed for advertising and beta gameplay first, and that we still live in a world where the male protagonists is going to come first due to marketing pressures and societal impressions.  I just hoped that, this close to release, we'd have had a glimpse of an armor clad femquisitor, or maybe a female voice over.  After the ME3 media team realized that there was such a demand for femShep and decided to respond with "Reinstatement,"  I kinda hoped that it would be the beginning of a policy of giving more equal face time to female protagonists in subsequent Bioware titles.

 

The reality is that there's been no marketing that this game even has character creation, much less that there's gender choice. 

[Nefla]

Ok I understand that some people want to see more of the female inquisitor and there is nothing wrong with that. Bioware more then most companies has truly attempted more diversity on a variety of things. My viewpoint on this whole thing is that theres nothing nothing wrong with showing or not showing both genders. No one is trying to exclude females as far as I know. As far as I can tell it all coems down to marketing, and theres really nothing wrong with that. They are selling a product and if showing the main protaganist as a male in all the major releases gets them better results then why not. That being said, I wholly approve of concept art or others to show her off. Also, i don;t know where you get the idea that people will only find out about gender options years later or thats it's being hidden. Both the wiki and the dragon age website clearly state you can play an inqusiitor of any of the 4 races MALE or FEMALE. Frankly, anyone who doesn't realize you can play a female inqusiitor either doesn't care or isn't paying attention.

Advertising campaigns for previous games have made no indication that you can choose your gender, or even customize your character. Hawke and male Shepard were portrayed as fixed protagonists. There have been several stories in this very thread about people not knowing they can choose their gender until a friend or relative told them "hey this isn't a generic dudebro game, you can make your own character and choose looks, class, and gender." This has been said over and over and OVER in this thread a million times, but I will say it yet again: a game needs to catch your attention. Shallow, cookie cutter, fixed dudebro games don't catch my attention and I don't want to play one. If marketing makes it look like this then I won't bother to research it. Who in their right mind goes "man this game looks crappy, where can I find out more about it?!" I would never have played Mass Effect or Dragon Age based on the advertising. It was my cousin who told me about all the cool features that I love in a game being included and literally put the game right into my hands. I've been a loyal customer since then and have bought every game and DLC (including retroactively playing KotOR and Jade Empire) and yet I never would have been brought into the fold because of the slanted advertising that hides the fact you can play as female and customize your character. There are who knows how many other women out there like me who don't have someone to suggest BioWare to them even though they make games that women love, and BW's marketing sure isn't bringing them in.

[In Exile]

Advertising campaigns for previous games have made no indication that you can choose your gender, or even customize your character. Hawke and male Shepard were portrayed as fixed protagonists. There have been several stories in this very thread about people not knowing they can choose their gender until a friend or relative told them "hey this isn't a generic dudebro game, you can make your own character and choose looks, class, and gender." This has been said over and over and OVER in this thread a million times, but I will say it yet again: a game needs to catch your attention. Shallow, cookie cutter, fixed dudebro games don't catch my attention and I don't want to play one. If marketing makes it look like this then I won't bother to research it. Who in their right mind goes "man this game looks crappy, where can I find out more about it?!" I would never have played Mass Effect or Dragon Age based on the advertising. It was my cousin who told me about all the cool features that I love in a game being included and literally put the game right into my hands. I've been a loyal customer since then and have bought every game and DLC (including retroactively playing KotOR and Jade Empire) and yet I never would have been brought into the fold because of the slanted advertising that hides the fact you can play as female and customize your character. There are who knows how many other women out there like me who don't have someone to suggest BioWare to them even though they make games that women love, and BW's marketing sure isn't bringing them in.

 

If you don't want to play Jacked McSteroids, there's no reason to research a game further. There's a Dark Souls knock-off being advertised now with some bald (or nearly bald), jacked dude, and if that's not the sort of protagonist you want, you just won't bother with the title.That's true even if you want to play exclusively male protagonists.  

[Tayah]

Ok I understand that some people want to see more of the female inquisitor and there is nothing wrong with that. Bioware more then most companies has truly attempted more diversity on a variety of things. My viewpoint on this whole thing is that theres nothing nothing wrong with showing or not showing both genders. No one is trying to exclude females as far as I know. As far as I can tell it all coems down to marketing, and theres really nothing wrong with that. They are selling a product and if showing the main protaganist as a male in all the major releases gets them better results then why not. That being said, I wholly approve of concept art or others to show her off. Also, i don;t know where you get the idea that people will only find out about gender options years later or thats it's being hidden. Both the wiki and the dragon age website clearly state you can play an inqusiitor of any of the 4 races MALE or FEMALE. Frankly, anyone who doesn't realize you can play a female inqusiitor either doesn't care or isn't paying attention.

I'm sorry where on the dragon age inquisition website does it clearly state that you can play as either gender and one of four races? I was just there and must have missed it.

 

What we are saying is that people who don't know Bioware and come across the game in store or see only the male centric advertising are going to assume that like many other games out there they will have no choice about race or gender because there is no advertising to the contrary. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then people expect it to be a duck or in this case another white male human protagonist game. If you want to sell your game it's not incumbent on your audience to guess what the game features or is about you need to tell them and in this case you need to tell them that they have many options including gender and race choices. People on this site know about those options but even people who frequent bioware forums missed that ME had a fem Shep option because before the first game there was literally no talk of that option existing and everything about the game seemed aimed at males only so I and others apparently simply didn't look into it further. If you don't give people a reason to look then people will put it into "straight white dudebro" category and if that doesn't appeal to them they'll look elsewhere. 

 

Race and gender options certainly aren't on display in the advertising so far and after the advertising of DA2 and ME 1 and 2 completely ignoring the female options not to mention whatever customisation the games had to offer yes it does start to feel like those choices are being hidden because that info often isn't easy to find. Considering they are a big part of this game maybe that isn't the best strategy since it turns away people who want those things and may confuse and disappoint those that don't.

[Blue Gloves]

i don;t know where you get the idea that people will only find out about gender options years later or thats it's being hidden. Both the wiki and the dragon age website clearly state you can play an inqusiitor of any of the 4 races MALE or FEMALE. Frankly, anyone who doesn't realize you can play a female inqusiitor either doesn't care or isn't paying attention.

 

I get the idea from the dozens of posters in this very thread who say that they didn't try DAO or ME for years because they had no idea that they could play as a female.  I also  think that it's likely that a vast majority of individuals will have no reason to pay attention or devote further energy to looking at the fine print of a game if its advertising images and trailers do not depict features that will appeal to them.  I think that female gamers who are new to the scene, or women who might otherwise try this game may overlook it because they will see trailers depicting a heroic man in armor rather than advertisement which shows them that the game offers them an opportunity to play as a strong, kick butt female.  I certainly can't claim to speak for all women, but I know that that I, personally, would never, ever have taken a second look at Fallout 3 or ME if I didn't already know that female avatar options were available because I played the original Fallout on PC years ago and because I've been familiar with Bioware's games since BG2.  It would've been a real shame for me to miss those games, because the franchises are two of my all-time favorites.

 

 

 

As far as I can tell it all coems down to marketing, and theres really nothing wrong with that. They are selling a product and if showing the main protaganist as a male in all the major releases gets them better results then why not.

 

Of course I want Bioware's games to make money, because I love the games and want Bioware to continue to be financially solvent enough to keep making them.  I also understand that marketing is a big part of making money, but part of my point was that there was an obvious desire for information and recognition of FemShep in the ME fanbase; and it (seemingly, I definitely can't claim any in depth knowledge about marketing strategy) made the ME marketing team realize that advertising the female version of Shepard might attract a broader range of consumers.  The giant cutouts of Jane Shepard and her appearance on the CE game box, as well as the Reinstated trailer would suggest that the Bioware team saw an opportunity to appeal to a wider fanbase and thus increase game distribution. In my mind, it stands to reason that if there was a demand for the female protag in one Bioware game, there is likely to be a similar demand for the option in subsequent games.  My hope was that this demand would lead to increased portrayal of the female option in current and future Bioware titles. Also, from a non-monetary stand point, the media is a huge part of the reason that negative and detrimental stereotypes and conceptions persist in our society.  The presence of strong, capable women in all areas of advertising, including commercials, advertisements and game trailers can only help contribute to a more positive, equal social landscape.

[Lady Nuggins]

It's nice to know that some more femquisitor- focused content is in the works, and I truly am not trying to sound like a whiny brat here, because I very much agree with other posters about the speed and size of this ship, and I truly appreciate Bioware's commitment to diversity and inclusivity... but it's rather disheartening to know that we're only 4 1/2 months from launch and yet, there has been barely any indication at all that there is even an option to play as a female protagonist in any media outside of a few obscure twitter references and within a forum of fans who presumably already know that a bioware rpg will include the option to play as either gender.  I understand that someone had to be developed for advertising and beta gameplay first, and that we still live in a world where the male protagonists is going to come first due to marketing pressures and societal impressions.  I just hoped that, this close to release, we'd have had a glimpse of an armor clad femquisitor, or maybe a female voice over.  After the ME3 media team realized that there was such a demand for femShep and decided to respond with "Reinstatement,"  I kinda hoped that it would be the beginning of a policy of giving more equal face time to female protagonists in subsequent Bioware titles.

 

My desperate, probably unrealistic hope is that they're going to have a huge unveiling of the Femquisitor at E3.  We'll hear her voice(s), see her running around, see every race as female, see the character creator.  There will be fireworks and doves will be released into the sky.

 

And then they'll update the darned website and put her somewhere on it.

 

Both the wiki and the dragon age website clearly state you can play an inqusiitor of any of the 4 races MALE or FEMALE. Frankly, anyone who doesn't realize you can play a female inqusiitor either doesn't care or isn't paying attention.

 

The wiki is unofficial.  And please point out the part of the official website that says you can play as female, because I tried to find something, ANYTHING, that explicitly said that on the official site and did not see it. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

My desperate, probably unrealistic hope is that they're going to have a huge unveiling of the Femquisitor at E3.  We'll hear her voice(s), see her running around, see every race as female, see the character creator.  There will be fireworks and doves will be released into the sky.

I definitely think they'll show off at least the CC at E3. Maybe not in their main presentation, but on the floor. 

[WildOrchid]

My desperate, probably unrealistic hope is that they're going to have a huge unveiling of the Femquisitor at E3.  We'll hear her voice(s), see her running around, see every race as female, see the character creator.  There will be fireworks and doves will be released into the sky.

 

God, i hope so.

[Nefla]

God, i hope so.

Me too, however I don't expect anything. Maybe they will mention in a panel that you can choose race and gender but I expect all previews, trailers, posters, etc...to have Generic White Guy and for the inquisitor to be consistently referred to as "he"

I hope to be proven wrong but you know what they say, don't get your hopes up and you won't be disappointed.

[Captain_Harkness]

I get the idea from the dozens of posters in this very thread who say that they didn't try DAO or ME for years because they had no idea that they could play as a female.  I also  think that it's likely that a vast majority of individuals will have no reason to pay attention or devote further energy to looking at the fine print of a game if its advertising images and trailers do not depict features that will appeal to them.  I think that female gamers who are new to the scene, or women who might otherwise try this game may overlook it because they will see trailers depicting a heroic man in armor rather than advertisement which shows them that the game offers them an opportunity to play as a strong, kick butt female.  I certainly can't claim to speak for all women, but I know that that I, personally, would never, ever have taken a second look at Fallout 3 or ME if I didn't already know that female avatar options were available because I played the original Fallout on PC years ago and because I've been familiar with Bioware's games since BG2.  It would've been a real shame for me to miss those games, because the franchises are two of my all-time favorites.

 

OK I am starting to see where some of you are coming from but, it also brings up a question for me. You really wouldn't play DAI or any other game just because it doesn't have a female lead or character customization? It must be a much bigger deal for you then me. I am male and I played DA2 and ME with the default Shepard and Hawke look and had no problems. Off the top of my head the only game I can think of that had a female lead was mirrors edge and that didn't stop me from playing it. If DAI had no character customization whatsoever and all I could play was a female character, I still would because everything else looks amazing and is much more important to me. I am not saying I don't like character customization, because I really do love it. It just would never be the one thing that makes or breaks a game for me.

[Lady Nuggins]

OK I am starting to see where some of you are coming from but, it also brings up a question for me. You really wouldn't play DAI or any other game just because it doesn't have a female lead or character customization? It must be a much bigger deal for you then me. I am male and I played DA2 and ME with the default Shepard and Hawke look and had no problems. Off the top of my head the only game I can think of that had a female lead was mirrors edge and that didn't stop me from playing it. If DAI had no character customization whatsoever and all I could play was a female character, I still would because everything else looks amazing and is much more important to me. I am not saying I don't like character customization, because I really do love it. It just would never be the one thing that makes or breaks a game for me.

 

You answered your own question--there are very, very few games where playing as a female protagonist is an option.  Of course most of us are willing to play games where you can only play as male; if we were not, we'd barely ever get to play anything.  But when we can play as female, that makes us much more likely to buy a game, because it is so rare.  And we realize that there are many other women out there who feel the same way, and would be attracted to this game because of this feature.

 

When you never get to play as female, then it's very important to find a game where you can.

[Stelae]

OK I am starting to see where some of you are coming from but, it also brings up a question for me. You really wouldn't play DAI or any other game just because it doesn't have a female lead or character customization? It must be a much bigger deal for you then me. I am male and I played DA2 and ME with the default Shepard and Hawke look and had no problems.

Gee, really?  You're male (and are you white as well?) and you had no problems playing a person who was (white and) male? 

 

Imagine you wake up tomorrow and societal gender roles are reversed.  Every time you go to the games shop, on almost every box, there's a female protagonist; men are absent.  You've heard rumours that some of the games may offer the chance to play as a male protagonist, but you've frankly never seen it.  Most people have trouble believing men actually play games, except to get attention from Geek Girls.  Occasionally, a well-meaning sales assistant will direct you to the hidden object games or cooking sims, because everybody knows that's what men play. 

 

This is your entire gaming experience.  For months and years. 

 

Then Bioware comes along and boldly announces, front and centre "Choose your Inquisitor; male OR female. Many races, many specialities, all kick-ass!"  You already know they make fantastic games.  Now, where does your gaming money and time go that week? 

 

Of course we play games where there's only a male character; often we have no choice.  But when we DO have a choice, it's a big deal. 

[Felya87]

OK I am starting to see where some of you are coming from but, it also brings up a question for me. You really wouldn't play DAI or any other game just because it doesn't have a female lead or character customization? It must be a much bigger deal for you then me. I am male and I played DA2 and ME with the default Shepard and Hawke look and had no problems. Off the top of my head the only game I can think of that had a female lead was mirrors edge and that didn't stop me from playing it. If DAI had no character customization whatsoever and all I could play was a female character, I still would because everything else looks amazing and is much more important to me. I am not saying I don't like character customization, because I really do love it. It just would never be the one thing that makes or breaks a game for me.

 

I surely wouldn't have played ME. Since I hate with a passion FPS, and eveything I hade seen at the time made me think it was something like Halo or a shi-fi shooter, I would have never played it if a friend of mine didn't explained to me what REALLy ME was.

I must admit I'm quite picky on GDR. if a game is a GDR, I need to be able to at least create a female character when playng it.

 

that's why I don't play the witcher, gothic, or risen, but I play KOA, Dragon's Dogma, KOTOR, NWN, BG, Shadowrun returns. of course I play games with male protagonists, since there aren't many choise in the matter, expecially in the last years. but almost never GDR with fixed character. It feels a waste, for me, playng a game with choice when the most important choice (who are you?) is not available.

 

there are very cute games with females characters as protagonists: Heavenly Sword, Remember Me, Tomb raider, Beyond: two souls, Beyond Good and Evil, the old resident evil, syberia, the longest journey, project zero, FFX-2, rule of roses, project zero. but are very few if you look at the enormous mayority of male protagonists. expecially in the last generation of consoles.

 

that make the cathegory of female gamers even more on the hunt for games with female protagonist.

 

and we are just asking to give a better advertising about the chance to have a female protagonist, because many of us had the experience with the last advertising that didn't let us enjoy at the right time Bioware's games because we weren't adequately informed by the advertise and the official channel (be it trailers or the official site, who is less informative than an empty candy wrapper without any writing printed on)

[The Hierophant]

Okay guys. Visually, in terms of body type, hairstyle and persona, what type of female inquisitor would you like to see featured in the advertising?

[Stelae]

Okay guys. Visually, in terms of body type, hairstyle and persona, what type of female inquisitor would you like to see featured in the advertising?

Well, if we're talking about emphasising choice, I'd like to see a series of morphs or quick-cuts showing all the races, all the skin tones, all the builds (that's "from super-skinny-to fetchingly-toned-to-plump-but-not-fat, as per all BWs other games), bald, braided, flowing, severe, romantic hair.  Because Choice is, to me, the big sellable point here. 

 

Or a qunari bow wielding rogue.  I could go with that.  As long as she can wear the Fabulously Jaunty Hat.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Okay guys. Visually, in terms of body type, hairstyle and persona, what type of female inquisitor would you like to see featured in the advertising?

They'll probably have it similar in build to Cassandra. 

 

As for what I want, I'd like to see the other races but I bet it'll just be human in the trailers.