Okay guys. Visually, in terms of body type, hairstyle and persona, what type of female inquisitor would you like to see featured in the advertising?
A warrior. Strong. Not too wasp-waisted. More like a rugby player and less like a dancer. Not snarky or "clever". Hair? Practical for a warrior. Close braids a la Yulia Tymoschenko or close cropped hair. That's just what I want to see.
Modifié par Kaiser Wilhelm, 26 mai 2014 - 12:30 .
B-but i like snarky women. 
Correction: I love them.
B-but i like snarky women.
Correction: I love them.
I do too, but I don't want the inquisitor to be one. The Hierophant did after all ask us what we'd like, and that's only what I'd like. I won't begrudge anyone her or his preferences.
Modifié par Kaiser Wilhelm, 26 mai 2014 - 12:33 .
A warrior. Strong. Not too wasp-waisted. More like a rugby player and less like a dancer. Not snarky or "clever". Hair? Practical for a warrior. Close braids a la Yulia Tymoschenko or close cropped hair. That's just what I want to see.
All races will have preset models. A female Inquisitor will use those, and they will be the same for everyone. Taking that into account, and based on past experiences, the default model will likely be more middle-of-the-road so it can appeal to a more people.
Which is fine by me. I never thought the women in previous games "looked like dancers" (what does that even mean? I mean it, seriously) nor that the men looked like rugby players (which is something I'm grateful for). I thought the models for both genders in DA2 looked athletic but not overly muscular (again, great! Most of my characters are not supposed to be ridiculously buff body builders). A female Hawke didn't seem particularly voluptuous either. If I were to file any complains it would be the complete absence of body hair, particularly in men 
I never thought the women in previous games "looked like dancers" (what does that even mean? I mean it, seriously) nor that the men looked like rugby players (which is something I'm grateful for). I thought the models for both genders in DA2 looked athletic but not overly muscular (again, great! Most of my characters are not supposed to be ridiculously buff body builders). A female Hawke didn't seem particularly voluptuous either. If I were to file any complains it would be the complete absence of body hair, particularly in men
Dancers usually have to be rather thin, especially ballet. Which is more to do with to aesthetics of the dance rather than outright discrimination. I did not think fhawke looked like a dancer either, particularly because she WAS quite voluptuous and curvy. (seriously teh boobs are animated when she runs lol)
Mhawke is pretty buff man, and the hairlessness just adds to the bodybuilder look. Mind you it's still within good taste and not anything ridiculous, but most athletes don't look anything like that. He looks like an aspiring amateur bodybuilder or a vain "dudebro", but I definitely wouldn't call him "Jacked McSteroids" either, which is why I'm confused why a poster would call Shepard, who mostly just looks like a bigger person who keeps in shape, that.
All races will have preset models. A female Inquisitor will use those, and they will be the same for everyone. Taking that into account, and based on past experiences, the default model will likely be more middle-of-the-road so it can appeal to a more people.
Which is fine by me. I never thought the women in previous games "looked like dancers" (what does that even mean? I mean it, seriously) nor that the men looked like rugby players (which is something I'm grateful for). I thought the models for both genders in DA2 looked athletic but not overly muscular (again, great! Most of my characters are not supposed to be ridiculously buff body builders). A female Hawke didn't seem particularly voluptuous either. If I were to file any complains it would be the complete absence of body hair, particularly in men
Agreed I thought the figures in DA:O (at least for the men) were far more ridiculous and ott in comparison to DA2. Hawke was obviously in shape, and fit, but not completely ripped like the Warden was (A look that can only be achieved in the gym doing specific exercises) which is completely unrealistic in a medieval type setting.
Mhawke is pretty buff man, and the hairlessness just adds to the bodybuilder look. Mind you it's still within good taste and not anything ridiculous, but most athletes don't look anything like that. He looks like an aspiring amateur bodybuilder or a vain "dudebro", but I definitely wouldn't call him "Jacked McSteroids" either, which is why I'm confused why a poster would call Shepard, who mostly just looks like a bigger person who keeps in shape, that.
Well, the way I saw it Hawke looked more like, say, an Andrew Garfield than a Chris Hemsworth. That is, he was just a guy in shape as opposed to a bloated mass of perfectly defined muscle.
How real athletes look is not a good reference. Marathon runners don't look like they do any sort of physical activities at all. I even knew a professional swimmer who not only lacked any visible muscles, but actually seemed overweight. By "athletic" I actually mean someone with defined muscles but nothing over the top.
Agreed I thought the figures in DA:O (at least for the men) were far more ridiculous and ott in comparison to DA2. Hawke was obviously in shape, and fit, but not completely ripped like the Warden was (A look that can only be achieved in the gym doing specific exercises) which is completely unrealistic in a medieval type setting.
Say whaaaa. Hawke has larger boobs than me. Can you show me your warden? It's been a while and I had a modded game but definitely remember him having a less gym-like look to him than Hawke, even if he was larger overall? If it's the abs, you don't even need to go to the gym to have nice abs, but Hawke's boobs aren't happening even with a trillion pressups.
Chris Hemsworth.
How real athletes look is not a good reference. Marathon runners don't look like they do any sort of physical activities at all. I even knew a professional swimmer who not only lacked any visible muscles, but actually seemed overweight. By "athletic" I actually mean someone with defined muscles but nothing over the top.
That's exactly who it looks like! But with less massive arms. Or the pecs at least. Someone at bioware definitely had a pecs fetish. Yeah, most swimmers have a very soft look to them, especially the women. Something to do with being in the water I think. And I didn't mean marathon runners obviously. Muscular atheletes- Sprinters, throwers, boxers, ball sports. One kind of "athlete" actually does have that bodyshape- olympic lifters. But that's you know, lifting things.
That's exactly who it looks like! But with less massive arms. Or the pecs at least. Someone at bioware definitely had a pecs fetish. Yeah, most swimmers have a very soft look to them, especially the women. Something to do with being in the water I think. And I didn't mean marathon runners obviously. Muscular atheletes- Sprinters, throwers, boxers, ball sports. One kind of "athlete" actually does have that bodyshape- olympic lifters. But that's you know, lifting things.
Hmm, maybe I'm remembering it wrong. It's been a long time since I played the games. I just seem to distinctly remember that Hawke seemed more slender and less buff than your usual video game protagonist. I just googled it and yes, you're right, he has massive pectorals xD
The thing about the word "athletic". It's just an adjective. The definition I was aiming for was more along these lines: having a sturdy build or well proportioned body structure (from dictionary.com). Nothing to do with athletes proper. I agree it's very vague, so I clarified "athletic but nothing over the top". As I said, the first example that comes to mind of the body type I'm referring to for a man is Andrew Garfield.
For a woman, I was thinking something more like female Hawke. You can clearly see she has well defined muscles and has an athletic build without her having to look like a "rugby player".
Okay guys. Visually, in terms of body type, hairstyle and persona, what type of female inquisitor would you like to see featured in the advertising?
I would like to see a fit, toned lady with small breasts who isn't sexualized at all, has a natural looking face (vs heavy makeup) hair that looks distinct but is still practical for battle (ex: not in the face or delicately styled) and if she's something other than Caucasian that would be great.
Actually you know I think I just want Michonne from The Walking Dead as the lady inquisitor >.<
Dancers usually have to be rather thin, especially ballet. Which is more to do with to aesthetics of the dance rather than outright discrimination. I did not think fhawke looked like a dancer either, particularly because she WAS quite voluptuous and curvy. (seriously teh boobs are animated when she runs lol)
Nobody said anybody looked like a dancer, but I did say that I'd prefer the inquisitor to look more like a rugby player than a dancer. As far as athletes go (as some people were discussing recently and in the past), how come everybody forgets heptathletes and decathletes? If anybody's built to take on anything, it's them.
Modifié par Kaiser Wilhelm, 26 mai 2014 - 02:13 .
Nobody said anybody looked like a dancer, but I did say that I'd prefer the inquisitor to look more like a rugby player than a dancer. As far as athletes go, how come everybody forgets heptathletes and decathletes? If anybody's built to take on anything, it's them.
Ah, but rogues and mages don't need to be built "to take on anything". And since most of my characters are of either of those classes, I'd prefer the default human model for both genders to not look like a rugby player, and be more middle-of-the-road. I can always count on the elves for a slim built, or dwarves and qunari for a more stocky one. And this is important because the first time we see a female Inquisitor, it will likely be the human model.
All races will have preset models. A female Inquisitor will use those, and they will be the same for everyone. Taking that into account, and based on past experiences, the default model will likely be more middle-of-the-road so it can appeal to a more people.
Which is fine by me. I never thought the women in previous games "looked like dancers" (what does that even mean? I mean it, seriously) nor that the men looked like rugby players (which is something I'm grateful for). I thought the models for both genders in DA2 looked athletic but not overly muscular (again, great! Most of my characters are not supposed to be ridiculously buff body builders). A female Hawke didn't seem particularly voluptuous either. If I were to file any complains it would be the complete absence of body hair, particularly in men
You clearly don't know what a rugger looks like. I mean that seriously, not as a put-down. Go look at the All-Blacks or the Springboks. As far as not overly muscular? DA2 human men had ridiculous biceps, biceps you can only get by lifting weights you will never in any situation need to lift with your biceps. And they did have body hair, but it was universally lightly colored, and if you played it on a console you might have been too far away to make it out.
Ah, but rogues and mages don't need to be built "to take on anything".
Yeah, that's why I said I wanted it to be a warrior. That is what I wanted. Please read carefully, and please, this is a serious plea, stop putting words in my mouth. And by "putting words into my mouth" I mean "misreading things."
Modifié par Kaiser Wilhelm, 26 mai 2014 - 02:12 .
I know you're just saying what you want. So am I. If it came across any other way, sorry for that.Yeah, that's why I said I wanted it to be a warrior. That is what I wanted. Please read carefully, and please, this is a serious plea, stop putting words in my mouth. And by "putting words into my mouth" I mean "misreading things."
I know you're just saying what you want. So am I. If it came across any other way, sorry for that.
No harm done 
. And sorry. No hard feelings, I hope? Now I feel like a jerk. A sheepish jerk.
Modifié par Kaiser Wilhelm, 26 mai 2014 - 02:20 .
As I said, long time since I last played the game. I may have misremembered. Again, sorry for that.You clearly don't know what a rugger looks like. I mean that seriously, not as a put-down. Go look at the All-Blacks or the Springboks. As far as not overly muscular? DA2 human men had ridiculous biceps, biceps you can only get by lifting weights you will never in any situation need to lift with your biceps. And they did have body hair, but it was universally lightly colored, and if you played it on a console you might have been too far away to make it out.
It's all good :-)No harm done
Actually you know I think I just want Michonne from The Walking Dead as the lady inquisitor >.<
Would LOVE that!!! Man, Danai Gurira in that role is a perfect example of a strong, not overly sexualized woman who still maintains a feminine look without being overly groomed for her part. I also like Hildegard von Krone from Soul Calibur- her armor manages to be feminine without resorting too much too the "boob plate" thing, and I also rather liked the way that Faora was protrayed in Man of Steel in the Kryptonian armor because despite its form-fitting snugness, it actually looked like it might offer real protection.
A male Warden is far more muscular than a male Hawk (pectorals aside.) Hawk is bulky, and toned, with large muscular arms, whereas the Warden looks like he has about 4% body fat, he's literally all muscle. It would be impossible to look like that in a medieval setting.
I thought the female protagonist looked fine in both games, not sure what all the fuss is about.
Lol, what female protagonist is this? People are talking about her appearance in the marketing. As in, there wasn't one.
Also, I feel like this thread has gone over this a hundred times, but "Stop complaining about the sexualization of women because men are muscular!" Is not a valid argument. The two things are not equivalent.
Just now realized how similar these two look, actually
Lol, what female protagonist is this? People are talking about her appearance in the marketing. As in, there wasn't one.
Also, I feel like this thread has gone over this a hundred times, but "Stop complaining about the sexualization of women because men are muscular!" Is not a valid argument. The two things are not equivalent.
Was this post directed at me? Because it's got nothing to do with anything I said.
Also they were talking about the characters figures, so I chimed in with my own thoughts.
Lol, what female protagonist is this? People are talking about her appearance in the marketing. As in, there wasn't one.
Also, I feel like this thread has gone over this a hundred times, but "Stop complaining about the sexualization of women because men are muscular!" Is not a valid argument. The two things are not equivalent.
I think it keeps happening because sexualization has different measuring bars for different people. For example, Person A may think that a woman in makeup or a fit man is sexualizing them while Person B thinks that they have to be showing a lot of skin to be considering sexualized. Neither are wrong, just have different opinions on what fits under sexualization.
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