If any of y'all ever get grief from misogynistic arsch-schweine, tell them the Kaiser says, "**** you."
And if being Told by the Emperor and King of Prussia doesn't do the job, what will?
(Pictures Random McNeckbeard's face after I have said, after a blistering tirade of my own, "Oh, and what's more, the Kaiser said you can go 4star yourself." Should at least keep him confused long enough for me to make a haughty and dignified exit ... )
On a much smaller scale - I was wading through some department store junk mail at breakfast this morning and they were advertising winter slippers for kids, partitioned into 'boys' and 'girls' I felt pissed off that the fun slippers - big green or blue monster hairy slippers were marked as 'boys' and the ballet like shoes were 'girls'. Why does this crap have to be gendered so damn early? I can see past this sort of BS but a lot of others can't and 'buy into' this stereotype. It's no wonder kids buy into the idea 'only girls do this' and 'only boys do that'.
With clothing and toys, it's simply to sell more stuff: no hand-me-downs, especially from an older sister to a younger brother. You're pressured to buy new, gender specific stuff for each kid.
It's not just kids who buy into the "only girls/only boys" thing. It's adults too, for themselves and for their children. I was actively steered away from cars and science by my well-meaning parents, who felt that I was already socially awkward, and pursuing "male" interests would just make my life harder in the long run. They encouraged me into girly pastimes, but none of them took, and I spent most of my youth reading (All The Things!) as a result. It's only recently that I have come to realise that the societal pressure on parents to raise kids who conform must be awful.
Reminds me something my school did when I was younger they had a day where all the boys were suppose to wear blue and all the girls were suppose to wear pink for some reason that I can't remember and since I was pushed so much towards having 'female' interests by my aunt and grandmother I went to school dressed up in all blue and got in trouble with my whole class never once regretted it xD Though I did go through the phase for the longest time where anything 'girly' was beneath me and I tried to avoid things like barbies and easy bake ovens just to prove a point and since at the time I wrongfully thought being into 'girly' things and 'acting like a girl' was shameful. Its quite stupid what some people slap a gender on these days though 
Edit: On Topic since I get easily distracted I'll repeat myself with a great way to show the wonderful customization and ability to play as a female to make a lot of peoples happy and get the interests of new players. Show the CC Show the CC Show the CC Show that beautiful CC 
Though I'm greedy and would still love a trailer with the Female PC. Pretty please? I really want to hear at least one of her voices.
With clothing and toys, it's simply to sell more stuff: no hand-me-downs, especially from an older sister to a younger brother. You're pressured to buy new, gender specific stuff for each kid.
It's not just kids who buy into the "only girls/only boys" thing. It's adults too, for themselves and for their children. I was actively steered away from cars and science by my well-meaning parents, who felt that I was already socially awkward, and pursuing "male" interests would just make my life harder in the long run. They encouraged me into girly pastimes, but none of them took, and I spent most of my youth reading (All The Things!) as a result. It's only recently that I have come to realise that the societal pressure on parents to raise kids who conform must be awful.
I guess I lament it starting so early - more so now than I remember as a child. And I do feel it as I'm trying to raise my daughter in such a way to say that it's okay to like things that other people don't, to think freely. I'd like to see myself as some sort of gatekeeper to those societal pressures, I know I can't hold all of them back but I hope enough that she can be herself without reference to what society thinks she 'should' be.
And if I had been my mother back in the late seventies I would have bought me that Darth Vader action figure carry case that I asked for dammit! 
Yes please! I like that they made the box art vague enough to be male or female, but I'm still really looking forward to seeing a fem!Quizzy.
I guess I lament it starting so early - more so now than I remember as a child. And I do feel it as I'm trying to raise my daughter in such a way to say that it's okay to like things that other people don't, to think freely. I'd like to see myself as some sort of gatekeeper to those societal pressures, I know I can't hold all of them back but I hope enough that she can be herself without reference to what society thinks she 'should' be.
And if I had been my mother back in the late seventies I would have bought me that Darth Vader action figure carry case that I asked for dammit!
That is pretty awesome, my sister is obsessive about it. I got my 2 year old nephew a a stuffed frog who was pink and thought nothing of it, but my sister made this big huge fit of a pink frog cant go to a boy (and me thinking boys might like frogs) and my neice recently I got a robe for and I got it pink but put blue to use her name and my sister once again freaked.
Then she points at her sons violent tendencies, and her daughters love of dolls as proof that all kids are gendered at birth. You need to take the media into account and how you grow up. Now they gender themselves and cant stand the idea of watching or doing anything tailored not to them.
I think that's strange, personally, that people get so caught up about what colour anything kids wear. Like, what do they think will happen if their girls wear blue and their boys wear pink? Rain of toads? Swarms of angry badgers? (Some, I know fear that it'll somehow make their kids gay, which is nonsensical as well as homophobic).
My daughter hates dresses, ergo she wears no dresses and hasn't since she was five. (She's 15 now.). My daughter hates barbies and loves pokemons. Therefore, she has pokemons and no barbies. It's not as complicated as some people make it.
Every time I go into the store and look at the toy section or clothes section, it makes me depressed over the state of the gendering. Recently, Trina's asked me to shop for her in the boy's section of the store as all the girl's section clothes are getting progressively more seethrough and she hates it.
Then she points at her sons violent tendencies, and her daughters love of dolls as proof that all kids are gendered at birth. You need to take the media into account and how you grow up. Now they gender themselves and cant stand the idea of watching or doing anything tailored not to them.
If two kids are proof enough then my cousin and I should be proof that, that isn't true then since he enjoyed dressing up with me as princesses and insisted to have the cone hat with the sparkly pink veil and I used to be a child with some pretty bad violent tendencies. Thinking like that bugs me very much its such a limited way of thinking and really parents should not be encouraging stereotypes like that or forcing gender on anything their child does. The only thing it can do is hurt the child in the long run. 
No offense intended towards you or your sister of course and I apologize if that came off as rude I get carried away sometimes with things like that sorry.
@Darth Krytie
I know this is off topic but a like wasn't enough I just wanted to say that you sound like an awesome mom and that post about buying your daughter things she actually likes instead of things she's 'suppose to like' reminds me a lot of my own mother and its good to see that there are more parents than I first thought like that around 
If two kids are proof enough then my cousin and I should be proof that, that isn't true then since he enjoyed dressing up with me as princesses and insisted to have the cone hat with the sparkly pink veil and I used to be a child with some pretty bad violent tendencies. Thinking like that bugs me very much its such a limited way of thinking and really parents should not be encouraging stereotypes like that or forcing gender on anything their child does. The only thing it can do is hurt the child in the long run.
That is pretty awesome, my sister is obsessive about it. I got my 2 year old nephew a a stuffed frog who was pink and thought nothing of it, but my sister made this big huge fit of a pink frog cant go to a boy (and me thinking boys might like frogs) and my neice recently I got a robe for and I got it pink but put blue to use her name and my sister once again freaked.
Then she points at her sons violent tendencies, and her daughters love of dolls as proof that all kids are gendered at birth. You need to take the media into account and how you grow up. Now they gender themselves and cant stand the idea of watching or doing anything tailored not to them.
I cant argue to the violence point too many differing opinions and studies on that for me to talk about with any authority. Anecdotally though I saw a two year old at a local playgroup (a boy) karate kick another child. That is definitely a learned behaviour. I don't know any 2 year olds who would do that without seeing it in some sort of context first.
And If your niece had only ever been given cars I'm sure that she'd love those too! It sounds like your sister is the one imposing gendered standards and expectations. A pity she can't be more reflective of how her own behaviour, actions and expectations influence her children.
On topic: I really feel like Bioware are drip feeding us, and us poor fans are us standing underneath trying to fill our huge cups.
Like a rat in a Skinner Box I'll keep pressing the bar in hope with the next press, I'll get a pellet of information coming my way.
No offense at all. It was getting depressing. So much so I tend to avoid them these days. And yeah homophobia is definitely part of it and cant help but think this increased gendering means
1) the generation after ours will negate what we do
And
2) It is all a backlash at being accepting of homosexuality/bisexuality
I'm glad I didn't offend I've been told many a time that I become b*tchy when I talk about subjects I feel strongly about.^^;
That's always sad to see that added to already associated stereotypes the only adult I recall in my life who bothered to not give a damn about gender stereotypes and went out of their way to explain to me that doing one thing or another did not make you 'gay' nor that there was anything wrong with being gay was my mother everyone else enforced the stereotypes and I remember being asked a lot if I was gay due to how I acted before I even knew what the word gay meant. But my rant aside you are correct the next generation will negate what we do but hopefully it gets steered in a good direction to avoid BS like gender stereotypes. And if I kind of missed what you meant I apologize its currently one in the morning over here^^;
I think that's strange, personally, that people get so caught up about what colour anything kids wear. Like, what do they think will happen if their girls wear blue and their boys wear pink? Rain of toads? Swarms of angry badgers? (Some, I know fear that it'll somehow make their kids gay, which is nonsensical as well as homophobic).
My daughter hates dresses, ergo she wears no dresses and hasn't since she was five. (She's 15 now.). My daughter hates barbies and loves pokemons. Therefore, she has pokemons and no barbies. It's not as complicated as some people make it.
Every time I go into the store and look at the toy section or clothes section, it makes me depressed over the state of the gendering. Recently, Trina's asked me to shop for her in the boy's section of the store as all the girl's section clothes are getting progressively more seethrough and she hates it.
When I was 9 years old, I found a long winter coat I really liked when I was shopping. It so happened that it was in the girls section (oh noes). Before I had the chance to really try it on - I mostly just grabbed it off the rack - a store clerk came over, took it out of my hands, and explained to me that this was the girl section and that I needed to look for a coat in the boys section. When I said that I wanted that coat specifically, she proceeded to explain to me why I shouldn't cross dress.
When I was 9 years old, I found a long winter coat I really liked when I was shopping. It so happened that it was in the girls section (oh noes). Before I had the chance to really try it on - I mostly just grabbed it off the rack - a store clerk came over, took it out of my hands, and explained to me that this was the girl section and that I needed to look for a coat in the boys section. When I said that I wanted that coat specifically, she proceeded to explain to me why I shouldn't cross dress.
That is some sort of bullsh*t. I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
Why is it that every so often guys come into this thread just to say "women's don't sell!" They argue and give stats each time (which always ends up being a chicken and egg thing) all the while saying "oh I'm with you, *I* would buy games with women on the cover or in the trailer, but those guys won't!" Every one of them says this. Who are "those guys?" If every person arguing against it is not actually against it then who is it that supposedly refuses to buy anything other than a straight white male?
I DO buy those games. Even if they are not perfect, they are still quite decent and worth buying. From reading the thread it's actually the women on the thread who are not buying those games.
TombRaider (new) had an advertising campaign most games would kill for.
She's not a character she's an object and her sole purpose is a sexual fantasy. Who can identify with that? If women are portrayed as weird, one dimensional, subhuman things then no one is going to want to play them.
Try actually playing the game and watching the anime. She's not like that at all. Book/cover you know
Though I did go through the phase for the longest time where anything 'girly' was beneath me and I tried to avoid things like barbies and easy bake ovens
I always wanted an easy bake oven ;_;
I guess I lament it starting so early - more so now than I remember as a child. And I do feel it as I'm trying to raise my daughter in such a way to say that it's okay to like things that other people don't, to think freely. I'd like to see myself as some sort of gatekeeper to those societal pressures, I know I can't hold all of them back but I hope enough that she can be herself without reference to what society thinks she 'should' be.
And if I had been my mother back in the late seventies I would have bought me that Darth Vader action figure carry case that I asked for dammit!
My mom went to last year's APA (American Psychological Association) conference. There was a presentation on the sexualization of young girls. The halloween costume comparisons between now and the eighties (in America, I should point out) were particularly sickening.
Also, I'd like to point out (just to illustrate the complete arbitrariness of this stuff), until, like, 1912, pink was considered the manly color because it was a shade of red, and blue was considered the girly color because people thought blue was more suited to a feminine nature.
And I apologise for being so off topic. 'Tis 04:00 here, and I can't sleep. What do y'all think the chances are of there being a female inquisitor revealed at E3?
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I almost feel like this thread has turned more into women in gaming as a whole, but they said they would present her. I really wish she was more radically different from the male default.
Someone earlier on wanted her to be exactly the same...
Are you familiar with Bound by Flame ? That has a female option. It's the same as the male, even has two romance options the same as the male. But I've never actually seen them use it in an official video (not to say they haven't but I've never seen it).
This thread has indeed turned into what you said. By different you mean?
Well Allan said up thread that we might be going to get something soon and E3 is soon right? So maybe... or maybe not 
Someone earlier on wanted her to be exactly the same...
Are you familiar with Bound by Flame ? That has a female option. It's the same as the male, even has two romance options the same as the male. But I've never actually seen them use it in an official video (not to say they haven't but I've never seen it).
It was mentioned earlier in the thread and that's the only reason I know there is a female option... because someone else had already found out and this is why advertising the fact that you offer choices matters; if you don't tell people they have gender choice and your game looks like every other male protag game out there then that's all they see it as: a male protag game.
This is why it seems to me that advertising the games options namely that you can choose your gender, race and class are important especially in an RPG that has already proven popular with men and women and could feasibly expand both markets with advertising these options. Tell people you can play as generic white dude sure but why would also telling them you can play as a woman, or a PoC or another minority, or a combination of minorities turn people off when they can get what they want too. Are we really saying men can't handle other people being included in advertising too and that the guys in this very thread are exceptions? I would hope that's doing most if not all men a disservice.
I think that's strange, personally, that people get so caught up about what colour anything kids wear. Like, what do they think will happen if their girls wear blue and their boys wear pink? Rain of toads? Swarms of angry badgers? (Some, I know fear that it'll somehow make their kids gay, which is nonsensical as well as homophobic).
My daughter hates dresses, ergo she wears no dresses and hasn't since she was five. (She's 15 now.). My daughter hates barbies and loves pokemons. Therefore, she has pokemons and no barbies. It's not as complicated as some people make it.
Every time I go into the store and look at the toy section or clothes section, it makes me depressed over the state of the gendering. Recently, Trina's asked me to shop for her in the boy's section of the store as all the girl's section clothes are getting progressively more seethrough and she hates it.
Your daughter sounds a lot like me when i was a lil kid. I always wore 'boy' clothes and hated 'girl' stuff and i kept telling my mom to buy me games in the boy section and everytime we went on a shop and had games in it, i always felt myself drawn to boy section.
Bless my parents for being understandable and not the kind of 'no no no those are for boys only!'. We need more parents like you and mine and everyone else's who support their kids at everything in this damn world.
Well Allan said up thread that we might be going to get something soon and E3 is soon right? So maybe... or maybe not
It was mentioned earlier in the thread and that's the only reason I know there is a female option... because someone else had already found out and this is why advertising the fact that you offer choices matters; if you don't tell people they have gender choice and your game looks like every other male protag game out there then that's all they see it as: a male protag game.
This is why it seems to me that advertising the games options namely that you can choose your gender, race and class are important especially in an RPG that has already proven popular with men and women and could feasibly expand both markets with advertising these options. Tell people you can play as generic white dude sure but why would also telling them you can play as a woman, or a PoC or another minority, or a combination of minorities turn people off when they can get what they want too. Are we really saying men can't handle other people being included in advertising too and that the guys in this very thread are exceptions? I would hope that's doing most if not all men a disservice.
Well Allan said up thread that we might be going to get something soon and E3 is soon right? So maybe... or maybe not
It was mentioned earlier in the thread and that's the only reason I know there is a female option... because someone else had already found out and this is why advertising the fact that you offer choices matters; if you don't tell people they have gender choice and your game looks like every other male protag game out there then that's all they see it as: a male protag game.
This is why it seems to me that advertising the games options namely that you can choose your gender, race and class are important especially in an RPG that has already proven popular with men and women and could feasibly expand both markets with advertising these options. Tell people you can play as generic white dude sure but why would also telling them you can play as a woman, or a PoC or another minority, or a combination of minorities turn people off when they can get what they want too. Are we really saying men can't handle other people being included in advertising too and that the guys in this very thread are exceptions? I would hope that's doing most if not all men a disservice.
RPGs are sort of unique in that regard. There are probably a lot of people who just look at a box cover see and advert and buy a game without actually knowing the details.I remember when Witcher came out there was a lot of controversy, but of course Witcher is an RPG telling the story of a specfic character in a number of ways. Rather than a specific type of character,
I don't think its so much that they don't want to give impression that you can play a female (or other race) character, but that they don't want to give the impression that it's a fixed character (which is what will happen if someone sees only that advert).They do spend a lot of money on this stuff, so they probably have more idea of what works and what does not,even if we don't agree with it.
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