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[Bayonet Hipshot]

Why ? Why don't we have beards, mustaches and stubbles for male elves ?! Every other races have them. Male Humans have them. Male Dwarves (except Varric) have them. Male Qunari (Salit from Mark of the Assassin) appear to have them as well.

 

Why is discrimination towards elves ? 

 

Is this just a design / artistic decision ?

 

Or is this lore based. Who knows, elves might have had beards when they were immortal and ruled in Arlathan but with the sinking or Arlathan, loss of immortality and a loss of culture, elves lost their beards. 

 

Is it too much to ask for facial hair on male elves ? It is a mark of maturity and of general awesomeness ! 

 

 

[sandalisthemaker]

It isn't just a design thing. They are incapable of growing it. Fenris says as much in DA2.

 

There was a Dalish elf who had stubble in DA:O, but that was most likely just an oversight.  Just as Dwarves cannot be mages, Elves cannot grow facial hair. It is a fact of life in Thedas.

 

As silly as it may sound, I never play as a male elf in Origins due to their lack of facial hair. 

[Nimlowyn]

It's a racial thing. They just...don't have the hair follicles or the hormones firing I guess. Whatever reason we want to come up with, being unable to grow facial hair is a design choice. It is part of what makes them elven. 

 

With that said, don't get the wrong idea: I am known to admire an epic beard. I just don't particularly mind elves not having them...I kind of like it actually, it is part of who they are.

[MissA-Black]

I suppose it is part of the concept people have of what constitutes an elf, physically: high cheekbones, slender frame, pointy ears....no facial hair .

Personally, I would like to see male elves with facial hair.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

It isn't just a design thing. They are incapable of growing it. Fenris says as much in DA2.

 

There was a Dalish elf who had stubble in DA:O, but that was most likely just an oversight.  Just as Dwarves cannot be mages, Elves cannot grow facial hair. It is a fact of life in Thedas.

 

As silly as it may sound, I never play as a male elf in Origins due to their lack of facial hair. 

 

No its not a silly reason. I do not play Male Elves for the same reason. To me, having a well kept facial hair = mark of maturity, masculinity and intelligence.  

 

Except Varric, I like him because his body hair more than makes up for the lack of a beard.

[sandalisthemaker]

This is why Elder Scrolls elves, especially Dunmer, are so badass. The Dunmer look awesome with dark beards.

[Knight of Dane]

It's the more traditional Elven Design. Elves are by myth a fair creature, which includes less body hair. I think their mane is pretty much the only kind of hair elves grow.

 

Which is also why they are depicted like that in Lord of the Rings for the most part. At least I can't remember any elves with beards in LotR.

[Johun]

Traditionally, elves aren't masculine, hence the lack of beards.

 

I dislike the bearded elves of the Elder Scrolls series. If you're going to have so many different playable races, why make them all look alike?

[Divine Justinia V]

They would look so weird [with a beard] though, no?

[sandalisthemaker]

Traditionally, elves aren't masculine, hence the lack of beards.

 

I dislike the bearded elves of the Elder Scrolls series. If you're going to have so many different playable races, why make them all look alike?

 

Except they don't. At least not in ESV. The elves look distinct compared to humans. The Khajiit and Argonians even more so.

[BronzTrooper]

Lol!  I was just wondering about this this morning! 

[Zelanthair]

No its not a silly reason. I do not play Male Elves for the same reason. To me, having a well kept facial hair = mark of maturity, masculinity and intelligence.  

 

Except Varric, I like him because his body hair more than makes up for the lack of a beard.

 

If you read literature on elves, you'll notice that 99.9% of them have elves that are incapable of growing any hair other than the hair that is on the top of their head, eyelashes, and eyebrows. Half elves could grow beards though. Take Aragorn from Lord of the Rings. He's a half-elf, and he has glorious facial hair.

[Statare]

No its not a silly reason. I do not play Male Elves for the same reason. To me, having a well kept facial hair = mark of maturity, masculinity and intelligence.  

 

Except Varric, I like him because his body hair more than makes up for the lack of a beard.

 

Traditionally (and in many ways today), in my culture (American Indian), masculinity, maturity, and intelligence were defined by actual things like accomplishments, ritual status, community involvement, but not by something as superficial as facial/body hair. Not to mention that facial hair tends to be a foreign concept to many in my community.

 

Perhaps it is a blessing that Elves are facial-hair challenged, so they don't make such shallow definitions concerning masculinity, maturity, and intelligence....

[LPPrince]

"Discrimination towards elves"

 

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[Bayonet Hipshot]

Traditionally (and in many ways today), in my culture (American Indian), masculinity, maturity, and intelligence were defined by actual things like accomplishments, ritual status, community involvement, but not by something as superficial as facial/body hair. Not to mention that facial hair tends to be a foreign concept to many in my community.

 

Perhaps it is a blessing that Elves are facial-hair challenged, so they don't make such shallow definitions concerning masculinity, maturity, and intelligence....

Oh come on, I did not say groomed facial hairs are the only indicators of masculinity or maturity. Geez...

 

& in my culture (Asian Indian), we have a lot of hair so keeping clean shaved in almost impossible. Facial hair here is a very normal concept and people actually think you are a young kid if you are a guy in your 20s without facial hair. 

 

I am just pointing out that it would be nice to have an option to have facial hair for elves. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

They would look so weird [with a beard] though, no?

 

Nope, they would look badass. 

 

Ever seen an Elven Mage in Elder Scrolls with a beard..Now that's class....

[Johun]

Traditionally (and in many ways today), in my culture (American Indian), masculinity, maturity, and intelligence were defined by actual things like accomplishments, ritual status, community involvement, but not by something as superficial as facial/body hair. Not to mention that facial hair tends to be a foreign concept to many in my community.

 

Perhaps it is a blessing that Elves are facial-hair challenged, so they don't make such shallow definitions concerning masculinity, maturity, and intelligence....

I was considering making this point, but thought better of it as I have not had the opportunity to closely study the growth of Native American facial hair.

 

Beardlessness further ties the elves into some of the Native American tropes at work with the Dalish. Being nomads, mohawks etc.

 

Hopefully you aren't offended that your people are being used as inspiration for what is essentially a non-human species.

[Nimlowyn]

Traditionally (and in many ways today), in my culture (American Indian), masculinity, maturity, and intelligence were defined by actual things like accomplishments, ritual status, community involvement, but not by something as superficial as facial/body hair. Not to mention that facial hair tends to be a foreign concept to many in my community.

 

Perhaps it is a blessing that Elves are facial-hair challenged, so they don't make such shallow definitions concerning masculinity, maturity, and intelligence....

I don't think you should take Sin's preference personally. Admiring something and attributing meaning to it is not in and of itself a comment on its opposite. Let's play nice. 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

This is why I only ever play female elves. 

[Remmirath]

They just don't have it. Nothing wrong with that; I certainly wouldn't call it discrimination any more than I would humans not having pointy ear options or dwarves not having horn options. It's a difference. Dwarves balance it out by being apparently particularly inclined to beards in any case, I'd say.

Although personally I do prefer elves not having facial hair, I don't think either way is inherently right or wrong -- that depends on the setting. I would certainly be against changing it in Dragon Age (and in fact would be if they changed it in the Elder Scrolls as well; in both cases the facial hair/no facial hair status of male elves is already established).

If you read literature on elves, you'll notice that 99.9% of them have elves that are incapable of growing any hair other than the hair that is on the top of their head, eyelashes, and eyebrows. Half elves could grow beards though. Take Aragorn from Lord of the Rings. He's a half-elf, and he has glorious facial hair.

Dude, Aragorn's not only not a half-elf (some Elvish blood, yes, but not near half), but there's no proof that he has facial hair and in fact some evidence that he doesn't (as generally if a character has facial hair it is mentioned, and in his case it never is). One of a very long list of things that the movie adaptations didn't do very well at.

I'll agree that half-elves in many other works can obviously grow beards, and they can in Dragon Age as well, if you consider the half-elves of Dragon Age to be half-elves and not basically humans.

[CuriousArtemis]

*grabs heart* I would be devastated if Dragon Age elven men started growing beards Seriously, it was a huge turn off when I bought Skyrim and saw there was a beard option for my Bosmer. Say what? Elven guys just never had beards in any of the fantasy books I read as a kid. Blasphemy!

[renfrees]

NO! No no no no no no.

 

No beards, no mustaches, no stubble. Just. No.

[Rainbow Wyvern]

Beards, mustaches, facial hair? Elves? I can't even.. why would you.. No. This should never be a thing. Ever. Never. No.

[Kimarous]

I'm hardwired to view elves with facial hair as bizarre and wrong, especially when all data presented in earlier instalments has suggested that "no facial hair" is the way of things.

[Ispan]

If facial hair is ever given to elves, I hope it stays in the CC and doesn't appear on NPCs.  Then I could pretend it didn't exist