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#101
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Coates wasn't involved directly in the beam rush. At the war council you have beforehand Anderson (IIRC) says something about Coates being in command of an artillery battalion. His unit I would assume was the support element for the push on the beam.

 

Of course the gameplay doesn't always mesh with the story and this probably one instance, since in game you don't see any evidence of artillery support.



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Coates wasn't involved directly in the beam rush. At the war council you have beforehand Anderson (IIRC) says something about Coates being in command of an artillery battalion. His unit I would assume was the support element for the push on the beam.

 

Of course the gameplay doesn't always mesh with the story and this probably one instance, since in game you don't see any evidence of artillery support.

 

Or any armor support except for a couple of Mako's and a bunch of unarmed trucks. Or any infantry support minus a few zerg rushing forces. Or any real air support minus a flyby of two fighters and more zerg rushing gunships. 

 

Seriously, it's no wonder the Mass Effect military never made it to the beam. It doesn't speak about the strength of the Reapers so much as it speaks to the incompetence of the military.



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Cutscene/lore divergence isn't exactly unusual in the ME series.
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#104
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Or any armor support except for a couple of Mako's and a bunch of unarmed trucks. Or any infantry support minus a few zerg rushing forces. Or any real air support minus a flyby of two fighters and more zerg rushing gunships. 

 

Seriously, it's no wonder the Mass Effect military never made it to the beam. It doesn't speak about the strength of the Reapers so much as it speaks to the incompetence of the military.

 

Pretty much.

 

I'm able to suspend disbelief because it is a game (and Hollywood is usually just as bad), but I sometimes have to remind myself not to nitpick scenes like that.


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Must be one hell of a missile however it works. Two of them seems to be capable of more dishing out damage than the entire Quarian fleet.

The question is why nobody used Thanix "missiles" (Wasn't it Thanix cannon in ME2?) against Reaper dreadnoughts? Why they fired them only on one small destroyer?


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Or any armor support except for a couple of Mako's and a bunch of unarmed trucks. Or any infantry support minus a few zerg rushing forces. Or any real air support minus a flyby of two fighters and more zerg rushing gunships. 

 

Seriously, it's no wonder the Mass Effect military never made it to the beam. It doesn't speak about the strength of the Reapers so much as it speaks to the incompetence of the military.

 

22nd century military tactics have apparently regressed to WWI trench warfare.


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It's not even trench warfare; they had masses of artillery, tanks, gas and mines; and after a learning period used them effectively.



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It's not even trench warfare; they had masses of artillery, tanks, gas and mines; and after a learning period used them effectively.

 

THe Systems Alliance appears to still be in that learning period, as they're still sending waves of infantry at entrenched machine gun nests.



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What would the scene have looked like if done right, anyway? More stuff, I guess.



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Or any armor support except for a couple of Mako's and a bunch of unarmed trucks. Or any infantry support minus a few zerg rushing forces. Or any real air support minus a flyby of two fighters and more zerg rushing gunships.

Seriously, it's no wonder the Mass Effect military never made it to the beam. It doesn't speak about the strength of the Reapers so much as it speaks to the incompetence of the military.

Relevant:

Major Coates: OK, listen up, dirtbags. If we're gonna reach the Conduit, we need a good game plan. Now, I have two options we can use. Number one, we run at the beam in a single file line, screaming at the top of our lungs! The enemy will be so flabbergasted, by the time they have a chance to regroup, we'll already be inside.
James: Oh, yeah, right. They're not going to get surprised, they're just going to start mowing us down.
Major Coates: That is the inherent beauty of the single file line! They can only kill the person in front. So if we order from least important to most important, with James being in the front and me being in the back, then we just might make it through.
Garrus: Don't you think that Shepard should be in the back, since he's the protagonist?
Major Coates: No, Shepard is in front of me. We need someone in back who can objectively evaluate how the plan is working.
James: How are you going to know if the plan isn't working?
Major Coates: If Shepard gets shot, I'll know we're in trouble, and immediately abort.
Shepard: I think that's a good plan!
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22nd century military tactics have apparently regressed to WWI trench warfare.

 

Well, the Systems Alliance wasn't prepared to fight like this. They were prepared for 22nd Century war. The Reapers took out everything and sent them back to fighting with infantry. I would have expected hovercraft.



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It's not even trench warfare; they had masses of artillery, tanks, gas and mines; and after a learning period used them effectively.

Their tanks are pathetic compared to the M1A2 Abrams that we have today.



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Their tanks are pathetic compared to the M1A2 Abrams that we have today.

Well yes, they are more APC or scouting vehicles than tanks.

Why they don't have versions of the Atlas is strange also.



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Why was Hammer even necessary? Couldn't the Normandy just fly right next to the beam in space and Shepard can just jump into it in a sealed suit? Did they have to enter from the ground for some reason? 



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Did they have to enter from the ground for some reason? 

 

Because plot.



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Well yes, they are more APC or scouting vehicles than tanks.

Why they don't have versions of the Atlas is strange also.

Weren't you referring to Mass Effectt? If not, then disregard my post.



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Because plot.

Good point. 



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22nd century military tactics have apparently regressed to WWI trench warfare.

 

Don't kid yourself. 

 

At least they were using trenches in WWI. Although according to Anderson, so have has the alliance...



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Their tanks are pathetic compared to the M1A2 Abrams that we have today.

 

The artillery is pretty bad if they have to get it really close to a Reaper to fire it and target it. 

 

The MLRS could put a GPS round on the Reaper from 200 miles away. If it had a laser designator from a Fister, it'd be able to hit it as well.



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The artillery is pretty bad if they have to get it really close to a Reaper to fire it and target it. 

 

The MLRS could put a GPS round on the Reaper from 200 miles away. If it had a laser designator from a Fister, it'd be able to hit it as well.

That's true. I didn't like the fact that the missles we used in the game couldn't hit the reaper that close even with the interference from the beam. The reaper was a stone throw away. And look how close the destroyer is when the second set of missles hit the thing.



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Let's just say that if any side was run by smarter groups of people the war would be a hell of a lot shorter.



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Woops double post.



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Weren't you referring to Mass Effectt? If not, then disregard my post.


Yes I was :) I was referring to the mako being an apc.
You'd expect some pretty impressive tank or its successor by the 22nd century.

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The ME1 Mako was pretty tough, even stuck the landing when the original Normandy blew up.

 

I wonder why they discontinued that line of tanks?



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Yes I was :) I was referring to the mako being an apc.
You'd expect some pretty impressive tank or its successor by the 22nd century.

 

It's not an APC. It can't hold very many people, only about 3 if I remember right.

 

I'd call it an AFV, but it's not even that. It really doesn't have armor.

 

It's an IFV, and Infantry Fighting Vehicle with a gun that is more powerful than a modern tank. A one-five-five mil equivalent particle accelerator cannon. It's an IFV with a Howitzer for a cannon. 

 

That makes me wonder. Why the hell were they not using it?