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[ZiggyStardust25]

If you consider Baldurs Gate II with all its content and sidequest. Basically everything you can do in the game, how much larger is it than Dragon Age would you say in terms of content and gameplay hours? Twice as large?

[Dutch Master]

Twice is fairly accurate I think.

[Abriael_CG]

I would say it's pretty much the same. Baldur's gate 2 had more locations, but most such locations (excluding the city of Baldur's gate itself) were decidedly smaller.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 21 janvier 2010 - 08:13 .

[chaosblade12]

I have never played Baldurs gate, but if i can find it in store i will get it

[LesserHellspawn]

Hard to say....I got and played the whole trilogy at once. Must have been 200+ hours before I was through.

[RangerSG]

Well first of all, it's not really valid to compare ALL the trilogy to DA:O. That's 2 full games and an expansion pack to 1 game that does not have an expansion pack (yet).



It took me 116hrs to play DA:O. Now some of that was loading times. But still, that's comparable to the amount of time I played-before mods and other add-ons- to BG2:SOA.

[bjdbwea]

If you take just BG 2 without the expansion, the first DA playthrough might last nearly as long. Though in BG 2 the fights are more difficult and diverse, and you'll have to spend more time there and with your strategies. Half of DA on the other hand consists of cutscenes and dialogue, which is perfectly fine, but reduces the replayability - especially since you don't have the amount of really different decisions that you have in ME, and BG 2 as well. As soon as you start to "ESC" your way through some conversations, DA is decidedly shorter than BG 2.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 21 janvier 2010 - 08:49 .

[aphelion002]

Definitely more than twice. Just think of all the different locations in Athkatla. I all the different companion characters, far more than your party limit. And the stronghold quests?



I'd say 3 times minimum.

[Oldenhoversoul]

aphelion002 wrote...

Definitely more than twice. Just think of all the different locations in Athkatla. I all the different companion characters, far more than your party limit. And the stronghold quests?

I'd say 3 times minimum.

I'm gonna go with this.

[Welnic]

chaosblade12 wrote...

I have never played Baldurs gate, but if i can find it in store i will get it

Baldurs Gate 4 in 1 boxset.

www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FGA1US/ref=oss_T15_product

[Bonkz]

I'd say its a lot longer. My guess would be 2 times. Not so much the main story. It was the districts and the places in the world map you could go and discover things that were giving BG2 the feeling that you were in a world with many things to discover. Especially the amazing city

[MedioMorto]

I think it´s about 75 hours for DAO and 125 for Baldur´s Gate - of course, this can takes way longer if you decide to go for everything.

[Yrkoon]

bjdbwea wrote...

If you take just BG 2 without the expansion, the first DA playthrough might last nearly as long. Though in BG 2 the fights are more difficult and diverse, and you'll have to spend more time there and with your strategies. Half of DA on the other hand consists of cutscenes and dialogue, which is perfectly fine, but reduces the replayability - especially since you don't have the amount of really different decisions that you have in ME, and BG 2 as well. As soon as you start to "ESC" your way through some conversations, DA is decidedly shorter than BG 2.

^This

And you make a good point about the Replayability part, too.

Yes, DA:O is a wonderful game and has great replay value... for a while, but I'm on my 4th playthrough and it's feeling  stale and "same-ey" already.  I definetely don't see myself still playing it a year from now... or 5 years from now. 

By contrast,  I'm *still* playing BG2.... (almost 10 years later!) there's something about BG2 that I can't  quite put my finger on.      Maybe it's the size... or perhaps the D&D  combat system lends itself better to replays.  Or maybe its the diversity of the loot and spells....  don't know.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 21 janvier 2010 - 10:30 .

[Zemore]

question why are you comparing Baldurs gate two rather than one? ive sadly never played either so tis an honest question with the thought of this is "DA 1" so why compare the a start to an addition?

[Coldcall01]

DAO could become a larger game depending on the DLCs and expansions released. DAO vanilla is probably half as long as BG2/SOA. However if Bioware create say 2 proper expansions (1 is already underway) and 6-8 DLCs are released and all these are integrated into the main campaign/plot, then DAO will end up pretty hefty, and i would say not far off BG2/SOA in epic scale.

[MerinTB]

To contrast most of the love here -

I've played BG2 through, including expansion, once.
I've finished SoA twice.
I've started BG2 about 4 times total.
In the whole time I've owned it, and I pre-ordered the collector's edition.

I've also never finished the first Baldur's Gate.

In contrast, I've played DAO twice in a row, started a third play-through but stopped as I'm waiting for RTO before continuing that playthrough. I'll probably get one more playthrough (though probably not until after finishing ME2) in before putting it aside for awhile (depending on when the expansion happens.)

BG2 has little re-playability for me because I was sick of Irenicus's opening dungeon (and Irenicus in general) on the second playthrough. I think I could get another ToB playthrough out of the game, maybe, but as much as I loved the game and know that the re-playability is there for others, it's not there for me.
*shrug*

Just a contrasting opinion.

And I think DAO is about as long as BG2, without the expansion stuff. BG2 might be slightly longer as it has random encounters unless I'm misremembering the game, or if, like me, you keep running back and forth between places to find stuff - or especially if you add bunches of player-made mods.

But really, I think they are comparable in length.

Modifié par MerinTB, 21 janvier 2010 - 10:59 .

[TyroneTasty]

I'm quite happy with DA size. It's massive but not exhaustively huge. BGII, though my favorite RPG, is such a monumental task to start up a new character and just try to play straight through it. DA though much smaller is large enough to where you feel like your character has done a lot by the time the credits roll and the game still manages to feel adequately epic.

[Bonkz]

Zemore wrote...

question why are you comparing Baldurs gate two rather than one? ive sadly never played either so tis an honest question with the thought of this is "DA 1" so why compare the a start to an addition?

You have a point there. DA is the first game in a new IP and it is a 3D game. It is already great and I'm sure that if Bioware decides to create a second it will be even better than the first one cause of all the feedback from the users, something like ME 2. Wishing and waiting for that

[WebSlug]

I would agree its about twice as large. It Dragon Age was a similar size then the game would be truly awesome. I loved the Baldurs Gate series.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

You guys are truly delusional. Baldur's Gate II wasn't that much larger than DAO at all, and the dialogue was far inferior. Twiche as big? MAYBE if you count ToB as part of the game, but that's hardly fair considering it's the expansion pack.

[Tosheroon]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

You guys are truly delusional. Baldur's Gate II wasn't that much larger than DAO at all, and the dialogue was far inferior. Twiche as big? MAYBE if you count ToB as part of the game, but that's hardly fair considering it's the expansion pack.

This is a single viewpoint. To prove as much, I'm afraid that I totally disagree with all your points.

The majority of locations in BG2 are much larger, and contain more content, than most of the DA:O locations. However it isn't really a like for like comparison as BG2 maps are 3D renders on a 2D plane, whereas DA:O locations are rendered real-time in 3D.

As for the dialogue being inferior, I totally disagree. I would say that both games are about equal in many areas, with one pulling ahead of the other from time to time. For example, the character of Jon Irenicus has some of the best dialogue I've ever seen in a game. As too does the Asylum in BG2. Some DA:O characters are also quite well written and memorable, such as Morrigan or Zevran, while others are so bad that they hurt my head. I'm speaking of you, Alistair... and I see you trying to sneak away, too, Leliana.

As I said before, though, all this is just a single viewpoint. In answer to the OP, if you subtract most of the custscene posturing in DA:O, BG2 Shadows of Amn has about 3 times as much actual gameplay as DA:O.

[Ryngard]

I think a lot of you are having... skewed memories of the past. Not slamming you or the game, however... BG isn't quite as huge as you remember nor is it the holy grail of games.



Dragon Age took me roughly 60 hours to get through, the old Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger games took roughly 40 hours. I doubt that holds true if I replayed them now.



Unless you've played BG in 2009/2010, I'd take it with a grain of salt.

[Kuraiken]

I've played the BG 2 Triology a few times, especially BG2 which I have over 20 playthroughs or something.



The "original" BG2 is actually not that much bigger than DAO. What made BG2 so brilliant were the countless mods you could install to get additional (and often very well made) content: new romances, NPCs, storylines, items, shops, areas, restored Quests, new Quests, etc.



So BG2 pure is maybe 150%-200% of DAOs size, but with all the mods like Solauflein mod, Check the Bodies, Imoen Romance, Improved Asylum, the Tatics mod, Ascension, Planar Sphere mod, Questpack - to name just a few of the over 35 mods I use for my playthroughs - you get what? 500%? 600%?



Hopefully the DAO modding community will work hard to get a lot of interesting additional content into the DAO game - and you will see its replayability rise through the roof, just like with Baldurs Gate.

[DKJaigen]

@lobsang



I wonder how long ago you played BG2. i do agree that bg2 is slightly longer then Dao but the combat was extremely easy safe for the red dragon and the demi-lich. melee classes where boring mage class was way OP and could clear an entire room of baddies with one spell not to mention that combat was just way to easy (thank god for ascension mod) also equal conversations? come on mate doa is way better especially in group conversations. Some people have rosy colored goggles about BG2. and while bg 2 was epic (especially for that time) dao is way better. first walk through was 70 hours in dao . in bg2 it was 50