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[Xilizhra]

I'm considering this from the viewpoint of a person charged with the rather hefty task of getting as many allies as one could to fight a potentially world-consuming evil, while contending with the machinations of an enemy Regent and his Arl sidekick. Ferelden is becoming increasingly war-torn. Under these extreme circumstances, whether or not I believe in capital punishment doesn't matter. Jowan involved himself by almost killing a very prominent figure who may be vital for the two remaining Wardens to achieve their goal, and thus made himself a threat. I am inclined to assume the worst of Jowan, so once he's caught, I will not grant him freedom, but I won't kill him so long as he cooperates and does something positive in the process. Zevran would be under similar scrutiny, and so long as he holds up his end of the bargain to the end of the war, he'd get to keep his life too.

I don't consider him a threat, and there's no way that Jowan would be able to keep his life if he doesn't escape.

[LobselVith8]

Have any of our actions at all in DAO carried... any significant weight in DA2?

 

You have a fair point, Xil, but I'm hoping for better in Inquisition. I'd like my choices to matter, especially since my Surana Warden publicly asked for the Circle of Ferelden to be given it's independence, and Queen Anora publicly agreed, with King Alistair showing the same support in Kirkwall during the confrontation with Meredith. I'd like that choice to have meaning in a Thedas where the Circles have dissolved, and the templars no longer represent the militant arm of the Chantry.

[Xilizhra]

You have a fair point, Xil, but I'm hoping for better in Inquisition. I'd like my choices to matter, especially since my Surana Warden publicly asked for the Circle of Ferelden to be given it's independence, and Queen Anora publicly agreed, with King Alistair showing the same support in Kirkwall during the confrontation with Meredith. I'd like that choice to have meaning in a Thedas where the Circles have dissolved, and the templars no longer represent the militant arm of the Chantry.

I personally don't think it'll happen. DA is about a world, not about the choices made by one person, and I'm fairly sure the path to the end of the story is already fairly set. We can change the route a bit, but not the path, really.

[KaiserShep]

I don't consider him a threat, and there's no way that Jowan would be able to keep his life if he doesn't escape.

 

Again, this depends on the perspective of any given Warden. My Cousland Warden has no idea who or what Jowan is about outside of his attempted assassination, so all other considerations are irrelevant. If Jowan is judged to be executed, then that is the judgment of the Arl or the Templars, not my own. As far as I'm concerned, his life is secondary. Once Redcliffe is safe, what happens to him is out of my Warden's hands.

[eyezonlyii]

As a mage player myself, Jowan signed his Tranquility warrant the minute he used blood magic on everyone. There was obviously a reason he was not eligible for the Harrowing, and that was because Irving, Gregoir, etc, did not believe that he would make a capable mage. Tranquility is terrible I will concede, and I don't have the "blood magic is inherently evil" mentality, however, I believe that one should not use such magic without proper training. I liken it to drinking: whatever mood you start drinking in will be amplified by the alcohol, and since Jowan was in desperation and survival mode, his use of blood magic will get increasingly worse. 

 

Also as a mage player, I have no ill will towards templars, in fact, I do see why they can be necessary and I do hope we get a Templar specific viewpoint this time around. Which brings me to why Cullen would make a perfect companion as he has seen the worst of the mages in Ferelden's tower and the worst of the Templars in Kirkwall's Gallows.

[KaiserShep]

Interesting. I never went through the Circle origin, so I had no idea that Jowan never even went through his Harrowing, or at least I don't recall it ever being mentioned in my warrior origin.

[Veruin]

Interesting. I never went through the Circle origin, so I had no idea that Jowan never even went through his Harrowing, or at least I don't recall it ever being mentioned in my warrior origin.

You will never know unless you do the magi origin. 

[KaiserShep]

You will never know unless you do the magi origin. 

 

As I suspected. I'm surprised that wasn't slipped in somehow, given how Origins had a rather unfortunate pattern of dumping a lot of meta-game info on the player by showing things the PC him/herself could not have possibly witnessed.

[LobselVith8]

As a mage player myself, Jowan signed his Tranquility warrant the minute he used blood magic on everyone. There was obviously a reason he was not eligible for the Harrowing, and that was because Irving, Gregoir, etc, did not believe that he would make a capable mage. Tranquility is terrible I will concede, and I don't have the "blood magic is inherently evil" mentality, however, I believe that one should not use such magic without proper training. I liken it to drinking: whatever mood you start drinking in will be amplified by the alcohol, and since Jowan was in desperation and survival mode, his use of blood magic will get increasingly worse. 

 

When discussing Jowan's Rite of Tranquility, Irving actually tells the mage protagonist that if it were up to him, things would be different, but that he doesn't have much choice.

 

Also as a mage player, I have no ill will towards templars, in fact, I do see why they can be necessary and I do hope we get a Templar specific viewpoint this time around. Which brings me to why Cullen would make a perfect companion as he has seen the worst of the mages in Ferelden's tower and the worst of the Templars in Kirkwall's Gallows.

 

I think that would make sense in providing the player with some insight into a templar perspective, but I do wonder how a hypothetical Cullen (or another templar equivalent) and Cassandra would react to a protagonist who makes choices that they may morally disagree with, like opposing the return of the Chantry controlled Circles of Magi. Will they overlook these actions for the sake of stopping the veil tears, will the Inquisitor be forced to fight them if they decide enough is enough, or can the protagonist change their mind?

[Master Warder Z_]

Personally, I find Jowan protecting refugees from the darkspawn as "Master Levyn" more fitting.

 

Personally i find ramming a knife into his guts as a punishment for his many crimes as more fitting.

[LobselVith8]

Personally i find ramming a knife into his guts as a punishment for his many crimes as more fitting.

 

I prefer to leave that murder knife moment for Vaughan, after letting him know that I'm aware that he abducted women from the Alienage.

[Veruin]

I prefer to leave that murder knife moment for Vaughan, after letting him know that I'm aware that he abducted women from the Alienage.

You say that like the murder knife can only be used once. 

[LobselVith8]

You say that like the murder knife can only be used once. 

 

I prefer to save it for special occasions.

[wcholcombe]

I do not hope this, as it'd interfere with the world states that I would want to import. At least if it went too far.

 

 

It would be better to get choices that are significant and have ramifications for both sides, rather than to have no consequences for our actions because of importing issues. I'd like my Inquisitor's choices to matter, but if those actions are watered down in the name of future imports, then I don't see much point to Dragon Age if none of my choices matter. If my Inquisitor helps the elven rebellion, for example, I want that act to carry weight, rather than the opportunity not being present simply because it would complicate the import process.

 

 

Have any of our actions at all in DAO carried... any significant weight in DA2?

 

 

You have a fair point, Xil, but I'm hoping for better in Inquisition. I'd like my choices to matter, especially since my Surana Warden publicly asked for the Circle of Ferelden to be given it's independence, and Queen Anora publicly agreed, with King Alistair showing the same support in Kirkwall during the confrontation with Meredith. I'd like that choice to have meaning in a Thedas where the Circles have dissolved, and the templars no longer represent the militant arm of the Chantry.

 

 

I personally don't think it'll happen. DA is about a world, not about the choices made by one person, and I'm fairly sure the path to the end of the story is already fairly set. We can change the route a bit, but not the path, really.

Well, Xil you actually better hope that Lob is right. If you are correct, than we are going to be forced into a middle ground with neither the tempars or the mages particularly happy.  They aren't going to do something like have one of these outcomes: the mages being independent or the Templars totally winning:  be the only option just for the sake of imports.  If they are that restrictive it will be the middle ground compromise with variations on who compromises more.

 

If Lob is right, than a great deal will be possible. 

 

However, I think we will actually be surprised how little we truly deal with the many conflicts taking place. We will interact and affect them yes, but we won't decide them: The Orlesian Rebellion or the Mage War or such.  We are dealing with the rift and whomever is responsible.  Will that mean we bust some red templars heads and blood mages ? yes. Does that mean we will take the field on one side or the other...I highly doubt it.

[Xilizhra]

Well, Xil you actually better hope that Lob is right. If you are correct, than we are going to be forced into a middle ground with neither the tempars or the mages particularly happy.  They aren't going to do something like have one of these outcomes: the mages being independent or the Templars totally winning:  be the only option just for the sake of imports.  If they are that restrictive it will be the middle ground compromise with variations on who compromises more.

Not necessarily. Mage freedom may well be a genie that's made impossible to be put back in the bottle.

[The Baconer]

I hope they explain what the bomb was at some point, because it kind of seems like a plot hole now. 

 

Like, why wouldn't a weapon like that be used more often?

[Adanu]

I hope they explain what the bomb was at some point, because it kind of seems like a plot hole now. 

 

Like, why wouldn't a weapon like that be used more often?

We have no idea how and where Anders got the research for his bomb, or how it was made. For all we know, those things could be used a lot more since DA2

[LobselVith8]

I hope they explain what the bomb was at some point, because it kind of seems like a plot hole now.

Like, why wouldn't a weapon like that be used more often?

I thought it might've been based on Dworkin the Mad's research, from Vigil's Keep in Amaranthine.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Not necessarily. Mage freedom may well be a genie that's made impossible to be put back in the bottle.

 

Or, the opposite may happen.

 

We will find out soon enough I guess.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I thought it might've been based on Dworkin the Mad's research, from Vigil's Keep in Amaranthine.

Me too. 

[TheLittleBird]

I kind of assumed the bomb was made with 'gaatlok' or what it was the Qunari and Javaris were originally negotiating about.

[Veruin]

I kind of assumed the bomb was made with 'gaatlok' or what it was the Qunari and Javaris were originally negotiating about.

The bomb is magical.  I really doubt the Qunari would use any form of magic.  Their shunning of magic is why they're the technologically superior race/nation in Thedas.

[LobselVith8]

The bomb is magical. I really doubt the Qunari would use any form of magic. Their shunning of magic is why they're the technologically superior race/nation in Thedas.

I believe the idea is that the bomb isn't simply magical, since ingredients were required to cause an explosion.

[TheLittleBird]

The bomb is magical.  I really doubt the Qunari would use any form of magic.  Their shunning of magic is why they're the technologically superior race/nation in Thedas.

 

Yeah, but I kind of believe magic and the gaatlok were combined into what exploded the Chantry. It makes sense to me. Otherwise the gaatlok-substory just feels a little out of place and redundant.