Wow, so many totally incorruptible people here.
Okay, let's up the ante. What about a Tevinter mage army at Archi's do, a la Branka's golems? What about Archi's head on a platter, as corker said?
Well considering I destroyed the Anvil and shanked Branka...nope.
Nothing he could offer would tempt me. I hate slavery and slavers. My usual favorite line is 'leaving him to the mercy of the elves'. I wipe out the whole stinking lot of them, even knowing I can sneak in the back way and leave the ones in front alone, I deliberately provoke a confrontation and kill them all.
Maybe my Aeducan might have, but by the time I got to that point of the game, I just wanted that run done (hated the origin). So i did a lot of console command killallhostiles that playthrough.
Since my preferred warden is a Surana, you do the math. Technically none of the elves are her family, but they are elves, and she does feel kinship with them since they are her own kind, and this guy is about as evil as they come, and can still lay claim to 'human'.
No pleasure he offers could compare to the joy I take cutting him down.
Guest_Faerunner_*
There's nothing he can tempt me with. I always play elves or casteless dwarves, and not one of them could ever condone selling free people into slavery so some faux civilized, privileged ******* can make some money. Never happening.
What would it take to accept a blood ritual that'll take the lives of dozens of enslaved innocents?
You'd have to balance it against something more valuable than a bit of gold. If that 'extra bit of health' also cured the Taint, that might be interesting to some reluctant Wardens (and thrown a sweet spanner in the works later in the game!). Or if the 'health' could have been given to someone else who needed it, like ghoul-Tamlen, that could also have been tempting.
It all depends on the motivations of our different Wardens. 
I had started Sith Lord type of character - Githany - and she would certainly have accepted the deal if it had been sweetened with a spell tome. The same for Kitty. But then I abandoned the character because playing the Chronicles gave me enough Dark Side points to last a lifetime.
I'm wondering, though, what Mephistopheles would have to offer in order to put a good number of players into a serious quandary. Especially those with honest, lightish grey characters. A spell that incinerates all darkspawn within line of sight, perhaps? That could save the lives of tens of thousands of allies.
Is there an achievement for letting him use his augmenting blood ritual on the remaining elves? That would be the only way I would ever do that, just for the achievement, then go back and play through from an earlier save. I did that for the nature of the beast (werewolf) achievement, then went ahead and played for a while to see the reactions of the other party members. I felt horrible about it and will never do it again.
It was the same for me. Both with inciting the weres to attack the elves (for the achievement which erroneously labels this as 'siding with the werewolves') and with defiling the Ashes (for unlocking Reaver), which meant killing Leliana and Wynne.
I had started Sith Lord type of character - Githany - and she would certainly have accepted the deal if it had been sweetened with a spell tome. The same for Kitty. But then I abandoned the character because playing the Chronicles gave me enough Dark Side points to last a lifetime.
I'm wondering, though, what Mephistopheles would have to offer in order to put a good number of players into a serious quandary. Especially those with honest, lightish grey characters. A spell that incinerates all darkspawn within line of sight, perhaps? That could save the lives of tens of thousands of allies.
It depends on the type of character I'm playing. Most of them either would probably never accept it (unless the result was utterly gamebreaking), or would simply never accept it no matter the consideration Caladrius offers. Then there's my Tabris and my second Mahariel, who might well have accepted had the victims in question been from a different group. (One of them is an amoral Tabris who decided to wipe out Zathrian's clan in exchange for a werewolf army, the other is a violently xenophobic Mahariel who killed Genitivi because she couldn't stand to see the Chantry gain any more credit with humanity and the CEs than it already had. One could legitimately play a Mahariel of this sort who decided the CEs deserved death, but this was not one of them.)
Most of them either would probably never accept it (unless the result was utterly gamebreaking),
And if it *was* utterly gamebreaking, it would be hard to believe it was an honest offer. (Unless we're talking meta knowledge, in which case it's not so much about RPing the Warden.)
"And after the ritual, you will be invulnerable to blade or spell!"
"Really?"
"Absolutely! Just stand right there and Devera will demonstrate. Don't worry, your iron skin will turn the arrow."
EDIT: Actually, letting the blood mage boss sacrifice a dozen victims, giving an metric buttload of power, and trusting him not to use it against me... that might not be the wisest tactical decision, either...
It depends on the type of character I'm playing. Most of them either would probably never accept it (unless the result was utterly gamebreaking), or would simply never accept it no matter the consideration Caladrius offers. Then there's my Tabris and my second Mahariel, who might well have accepted had the victims in question been from a different group. (One of them is an amoral Tabris who decided to wipe out Zathrian's clan in exchange for a werewolf army, the other is a violently xenophobic Mahariel who killed Genitivi because she couldn't stand to see the Chantry gain any more credit with humanity and the CEs than it already had. One could legitimately play a Mahariel of this sort who decided the CEs deserved death, but this was not one of them.)
I can't see how the death of the city elves would help the Dalish. I don't think they have the numbers to beat back the Chantry, and it can only help them if they were able get the city elves on their side in their fight against the Chantry.
I can't see how the death of the city elves would help the Dalish. I don't think they have the numbers to beat back the Chantry, and it can only help them if they were able get the city elves on their side in their fight against the Chantry.
It wouldn't help them at all. It's just an example of something a vengeful, homicidal Dalish with no respect for the Chantry or its followers might do if they didn't think being elven gives your life a degree of innate value.
As for weaponizing the city elves, as far as most city elves go I don't think that's possible. And even were the CEs weaponized, don't forget that elves are a minority and that basically all the combat trained members of Andrastian society are human. Unless the Veil Tears situation changes the equation drastically, I don't think a serious stand against the Chantry by the Dalish is in the cards.
It was the same for me. Both with inciting the weres to attack the elves (for the achievement which erroneously labels this as 'siding with the werewolves') and with defiling the Ashes (for unlocking Reaver), which meant killing Leliana and Wynne.
I did not take Leliana or Wynne with me when I defiled the ashes. I took Morrigan, Alistair and Oghren. I had heard about it beforehand so left them at camp.
A position of power in the Imperium, Tevinter's aid in fighting the Blight (beyond helping Ferelden's economy stay alive), and... depending on which Warden I'm playing, something else.
Honestly he really doesn't have much of a place to call the shots from, so the Warden going "LOL okay give me a bit more health" is just silly. The Warden could easily say "Not good enough, I want more."
A position of power in the Imperium, Tevinter's aid in fighting the Blight (beyond helping Ferelden's economy stay alive), and... depending on which Warden I'm playing, something else.
Honestly he really doesn't have much of a place to call the shots from, so the Warden going "LOL okay give me a bit more health" is just silly. The Warden could easily say "Not good enough, I want more."
He doesn't offer you a little more health. He offers to "augment... your physical health... a great deal!" The fact that he utterly fails to deliver might be part of why he leaves in such a hurry.
He doesn't offer you a little more health. He offers to "augment... your physical health... a great deal!" The fact that he utterly fails to deliver might be part of why he leaves in such a hurry.
Okay, I laughed.
Still, it's not like what he offers is particularly tempting to me. I just kicked his sorry ass and the collective ass of Abominations, Darkspawn, Demons, corpses, Werewolves, mad trees, etc.
So it's not like I really need it.
Nothing he could offer would tempt my warden. He's a slaver and deserves to be dealt with as such so I always slaughter him and his cronies.
Guest_starlitegirlx_*
I can't imagine anything making me not want to kill him. I'm going to just get that paper off his corpse when he's done. I don't need him alive for any reason. Plus, I won't just be saving these elves by killing him. I will be saving whomever he were to go after next because he's clearly got a set up with these blood mages and probably does this quite often. What I would have liked was a way to find out who they were and then hunt them down and kill them all as a side mission.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
10 Con might've sold me. lol. Depending on the character. I mean, I don't want to play the same anti-slavery do gooder after 10 playthroughs or something. There's got to be some room for other ways to roleplay.
1 Con is a joke though.
Guest_starlitegirlx_*
10 Con might've sold me. lol. Depending on the character. I mean, I don't want to play the same anti-slavery do gooder after 10 playthroughs or something. There's got to be some room for other ways to roleplay.
1 Con is a joke though.
I think 5 con is a maybe for some. But hell, I laughed because I though 'well dude if I really want it I'm on PC and can give myself 100 con.'
I've yet to get to a point where his deal would appeal to me even on an evil run. The Golems have a much better chance. And in that run I'll probably keep the Golems and take Loghain. I'll have to do whatever I can to annoy alistair so I know there's no going back. How hard is it to get him really negative? I know I could break up with or push him for sex then mock him but I think that just brings him back to zero.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
I think 5 con is a maybe for some. But hell, I laughed because I though 'well dude if I really want it I'm on PC and can give myself 100 con.'
I've yet to get to a point where his deal would appeal to me even on an evil run. The Golems have a much better chance. And in that run I'll probably keep the Golems and take Loghain. I'll have to do whatever I can to annoy alistair so I know there's no going back. How hard is it to get him really negative? I know I could break up with or push him for sex then mock him but I think that just brings him back to zero.
Just tell Alistair that Duncan deserved what he got.
Guest_starlitegirlx_*
Just tell Alistair that Duncan deserved what he got.
How badly does that go?
Guest_StreetMagic_*
How badly does that go?
I guess it cuts off conversation and you get -20 something rep. You don't have anything you can say then unless you apologize.
Guest_starlitegirlx_*
I guess it cuts off conversation and you get -20 something rep. You don't have anything you can say then unless you apologize.
Wow. So sensitive, but then again, it's a mean thing to say even if you hated Duncan because clearly he didn't.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Wow. So sensitive, but then again, it's a mean thing to say even if you hated Duncan because clearly he didn't.
It comes up in the conversation when he reveals that being a Warden is a death sentence. So if you didn't already harbor resentment, it's good enough reason to harbor it then. It's not necessarily being mean. The whole context of that conversation is listening to Alistair go on about how great the Wardens are, and then he reveals this other secret he's been keeping. Then he pouts about everyone dying for the 5th time. So you cut him and say it's what Duncan deserved.
It comes up in the conversation when he reveals that being a Warden is a death sentence. So if you didn't already harbor resentment, it's good enough reason to harbor it then. It's not necessarily being mean. The whole context of that conversation is listening to Alistair go on about how great the Wardens are, and then he reveals this other secret he's been keeping. Then he pouts about everyone dying for the 5th time. So you cut him and say it's what Duncan deserved.
Yeah, I stumbled onto that one with my current Cousland. He was not pleased to hear he had been dragged away from his dying parents only to have his own life span cut short, so he was not in the mood to say something nice about Duncan.
On topic: my last Surana made a deal with Caladrius to have him leave the letter and the profits for free, and take the elves. I imagined that she used to live in the Alienage, but when her magic was revealed, a group of elves turned on her. She has a scar that spells "witch" on her cheek as a result, so she did not feel sorry for them.
As for other Wardens, perhaps the inability to get the proof you need for the Landsmeet, or - even nastier - Caladrius having a sneaky backup plan that frames you or Eamon for the slavery business if he dies, causing you to lose the Landsmeet. In that case more of my Wardens would probably (reluctantly) let him leave.
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