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[Beerfish]

Well...maybe not, though I do feel like a heel.....a micro managing....meta gaming heel but such is life when the #1 priority is stopping the blight. 

 

Playing DAO after a long layoff and had kind of forgotten how Alistair reacts near the end of the game to certain events, I had been his good buddy through almost the whole game.  He reacted badly when I suggested he marry Anora for the good of Fereldan, he went absolutely ballistic when I let Loghain live but such is life, stopping the blight trumps all.  He then tells me he is going to leave and I have to use my boon with Anora to save his bacon.....and off he goes into the sunset.

 

But wait....hey....you have all the best gear and Loghain has a +1 wooden play sword!  So I have reloaded.....stripped Alistair down to his under wear and will reenter the Landsmeet and make him suffer the same consequences this time in his underwear.

 

How bad should I feel?

[DarthGizka]

You could at least spring some coin for a set of chantry robes...

[mousestalker]

I like him  better in the Chasind robes.

[Beerfish]

You could at least spring some coin for a set of chantry robes...

True and I did have some noble clothes left over from my rescue mission (though I sold them I think to Bodhan).  I suppose that is the least I can do, I don't want to give him a complex and meet him drunk in some low tavern in the future.

[DarthGizka]

I like him  better in the Chasind robes.

 

LOL! Sten looks majestic in the chantry kit, though. Awesome. That was a long time ago, when money was really, really tight for Bodahn's two "one time only" tomes.

[Mike3207]

I buy him the generic heavy plate. Let him go out looking like a warrior.

[Blazomancer]

Glad to know I'm not alone. Don't feel bad, I don't and I do it with the Natural Bodies mod installed. The party camp is a sight to behold before an awakening import.

[mousestalker]

All important events (Joining, quitting in a snit, the Landsmeet, weddings, epilogues and transfer saves) need to marked by gratuitous nudity.

[sylvanaerie]

All important events (Joining, quitting in a snit, the Landsmeet, weddings, epilogues and transfer saves) need to marked by gratuitous nudity.

I've actually done this more times that I'd like to admit.  The photos of the 'naked men's club' Joining were forever lost on my old PC though 

[DarthGizka]

He stick with you where ever you go and whatever you do even the thing he not agree with...but you treat him like that....what is wrong with you?

 

Well, he doesn't stick with you, does he. And he's a good, nice guy only as long as things are strictly academic and you molly-coddle him like a little child. When push comes to shove, he is utterly childish and ego-centric. Just refuse his demand to destroy someone else's toy and see the ugly truth emerge.

 

I just had to make him king and kill Loghain for him, simply so that he wouldn't waltz off in a huff with all of the team's über items except for one magic staff. And afterwards he whined about how I could do that to him all of a sudden, when I had only done exactly what we had all agreed upon before. Maybe he had seen the civilian clothes in the Warden's backpack and had hoped for his usual easy way out, despite the agreement.

 

The irony is that he singularly failed to do the job he had been given all the team's best kit for, which was to keep Loghain occupied until the Warden was done frying all of the latter's minions. Instead, all Alistair accomplished was to totter ineffectually after Loghain like Oghren after his wife, while Loghain continued chasing after Leliana until he bit the dust. It's not really Alistair's fault, since he taunted and bashed and pummelled the lech continuously while all that Leliana had done wrong was to look really cute in her armour and the Thane helmet. Maybe that's why it is called the Battledress of the Provocateur. Maybe the game simply wanted to add some more emphasis to the image of the failed templar. Who knows.

 

Since I had to take Alistair to Archi's do at least once, I counted my losses and continued instead of reloading.

[DarthGizka]

Alistair isn't lewd like Zevran and he doesn't jump at every skirt as his father did, that's true. Female Wardens still have to be extremely careful in navigating the minefield of his dialogue, since the most innocent banter can give him delusions about tent time.

 

He just gave a nice speech, though, after my Warden sacrificed herself.

[luna1124]

LMAO!! even worse if you have natural bodies installed Glad you are having fun, playing the game however you want to play it.

[DarthGizka]

I find no problem at all with his dialogues, so far if i ever get disapproval it's only -3 or -5, ...

 

Well, if you go around murdering people in cold blood then it's only -3. But if you don't share is blind faith in Duncan and the Grey Wardens, then it's at least -10. Even if you only say things that he himself says at another time. And if he gets delusions about a female Warden then it's -100 if she doesn't fly into his arms.

 

At bottom he cares about nothing except for himself, although he apparently likes to think otherwise. There are several litmus tests in the game that reveal his true colours; Loghain and failed romance are only the most obvious ones.

 

Alistair is the exact opposite of Zevran, as regards the relation between appearance and substance.

[Beerfish]

He annoyed me because his everlasting hero Duncan would have done just what I was doing, stopping the blight is #1 priority and when we have a total of about 3 wardens left he quits in a huff as if it is some exclusive club.  Not to mention that it was Riordan who actually suggested taking on Loghain as a warden.  My next play through I'll be going the mean route from the start so his feelings (or his neck) won't be an issue.

[luna1124]

Aw, the poor guy was an orphan, he had issues. Somewhat of a John Glenn kind of guy (gives 110%). Goodhearted and very sensitive (why all the ladies Love him).

If you call him a big oaf in the fade, he won't help you fight his demons.

[Blazomancer]

He isn't really that bad till the end, but his leaving is certainly not worthy of a Grey Warden. I wonder sometimes if he'd done the same thing if he knew the real reason why Grey Wardens were needed for the slaying. Still leaving like that with a tantrum when a whole kingdom worth of lives are at stake is not exactly chivalrous, regardless of whether he's wearing Knight Commander's plate or nothing for the landsmeet.

[luna1124]

That is it exactly, he did not know the warden who kills Archy has to die? He was a grey warden for 6 months and nobody ever told him? But I think he looked at Duncan like a father figure. But still, he should not have left. I agree with that.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

You should feel very bad...Alistair is a good and nice guy, there is no reason to treat him like that...do he ever do wrong to you? He stick with you where ever you go and whatever you do even the thing he not agree with...but you treat him like that....what is wrong with you?

There's plausible reason for both of these, actually. Both Alistair and Anora lose out due to the marriage deal, but the rest of the country benefits. As for Loghain, making use of him instead of killing him makes sense. (This is without factoring in that some players grew up opposing the death penalty.)

[Mike3207]

Aw, the poor guy was an orphan, he had issues. Somewhat of a John Glenn kind of guy (gives 110%). Goodhearted and very sensitive (why all the ladies Love him).

If you call him a big oaf in the fade, he won't help you fight his demons.

Well, his biological mother Fiona is still alive, so not a literal orphan. Still, he did grow up without a parent, so I suppose the description would fit.

[Shadow Fox]

Also remember Anora banishes Alistair from Ferelden after he leaves the group so it's possible he couldn't have fought with the army even if he wanted to.

[Shadow Fox]

He annoyed me because his everlasting hero Duncan would have done just what I was doing, stopping the blight is #1 priority and when we have a total of about 3 wardens left he quits in a huff as if it is some exclusive club.  Not to mention that it was Riordan who actually suggested taking on Loghain as a warden.  My next play through I'll be going the mean route from the start so his feelings (or his neck) won't be an issue.

Actually Duncan according to WOG would have left Ferelden to the Blight and gone to Orlais to regroup had he survived so at-least Alistair tried to save Ferelden.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Also remember Anora banishes Alistair from Ferelden after he leaves the group so it's possible he couldn't have fought with the army even if he wanted to.

If Loghain dies, she doesn't do this. Since to the best of my knowledge that's the only thing different from once scenario to the other, one might conclude that she does it to protect Loghain. Which means that if he hadn't insisted Loghain die, Anora might have abstained.

[Shadow Fox]

Well, he doesn't stick with you, does he. And he's a good, nice guy only as long as things are strictly academic and you molly-coddle him like a little child. When push comes to shove, he is utterly childish and ego-centric. Just refuse his demand to destroy someone else's toy and see the ugly truth emerge.

 

I just had to make him king and kill Loghain for him, simply so that he wouldn't waltz off in a huff with all of the team's über items except for one magic staff. And afterwards he whined about how I could do that to him all of a sudden, when I had only done exactly what we had all agreed upon before. Maybe he had seen the civilian clothes in the Warden's backpack and had hoped for his usual easy way out, despite the agreement.

 

The irony is that he singularly failed to do the job he had been given all the team's best kit for, which was to keep Loghain occupied until the Warden was done frying all of the latter's minions. Instead, all Alistair accomplished was to totter ineffectually after Loghain like Oghren after his wife, while Loghain continued chasing after Leliana until he bit the dust. It's not really Alistair's fault, since he taunted and bashed and pummelled the lech continuously while all that Leliana had done wrong was to look really cute in her armour and the Thane helmet. Maybe that's why it is called the Battledress of the Provocateur. Maybe the game simply wanted to add some more emphasis to the image of the failed templar. Who knows.

 

Since I had to take Alistair to Archi's do at least once, I counted my losses and continued instead of reloading.

Yet you're the one complaining he won't blindly follow your lead like a dog when you go out of your way to do things he disagrees with and most people wouldn't respond well to their friend saving the life of someone who killed their family and tried to kill them.

 

Or maybe you built him wrong or gave him bad tactics he's always worked for me.

[Lulupab]

If you Harden Alistar he wont leave, he just quits being a warden.

 

He marries Anora and becomes king.

 

Loghain lives and becomes a grey warden.

 

You didn't harden him therefore he leaves and becomes a drunktard.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If i in his shoes, i will leave too, because i will hate to see everyone hypocrisy. Let see...if i am Alistair, i have help the group as i can, i stick and loyal with the group, my motivation is always to stop the Blight. I see the Warden pick up weird peoples along the way, i trust The Warden judgement. I can co op with everyone even the one i hate most (Morrigan). I tell everything i know about grey warden to The Warden even it is not good to hear. I see the warden do a lot of things i disagree with. I can tolerate with everyone even i don't like what they do and their history...

 

But suddenly they all want to betray me? They want to side with the one who order everyone to leave the battle field? The one who leave everyone to die? The one who is coward enough to do something at least save anyone who can be saved? The one who want to kill me and the Warden while me and the Warden do something to stop the Blight? The one who is the cause of a village almost got destroyed? The one who conspire with Mages in the Circle in which lead to what happen in the Circle? The one do whatever it take to secure his position in the politic?

 

And when everyone turn on me, not one of the companions who i tolerate and trusted stand up for me

 

They are all hypocrite, they only love the politics, i will leave and curse them all

Well, my Warden never said they wanted Loghain dead, so I see no hypocrisy there.

 

As for Ostagar, while what Loghain did was terrible I definitely see why he did in a tactician point of view. Even if he went in, they would still have lost so ruthless calculus has to unfortunately be applied.