I will never betray my friend or even my co worker and humiliate him/her, even i don't like him/her, it is just wrong....
The purpose of the duel is to decide who is right and who is wrong, and afterward just want to side the one who is proven wrong?
Hey, my Warden wasn't the one who threw a tantrum in the middle of a Landsmeet. Alistair has nobody to blame his humiliation on but himself.
No, the duel, or at least mine, was to determine who would lead the allied armies against the Blight.
This thread is full of sneaky witch thieves.
This thread is full of sneaky witch thieves.
Ah, Alistair humor. 
You guys see that what is the purpose of the duel? It is like Proving. It is ancient and barbaric way to prove your worth and whatever you stand for
If you die, or loose, you are WRONG...you are shameful, dishonored, not worthy of your claim...
If you live, o win, then you are RIGHT...you are honorable, worthy, rightfully of whatever you claim...
Did Loghain give you or your Champion a chance to surrender? No...he will kill you or your champion and making his right in everything he do and whatever he claim. You or your champion are DIE IN SHAME
So...after you or your champion defeat Loghain, you give him a chance to YIELD, he is automatically not worthy, dishonored, shameful...everything what he claim are thrown in a trash can...then you want to side with him?
What is wrong with you guys?
The Warden doesn't side with Loghain. If anything, Loghain sides with us after the duel.
No, if you let him go, then you shame your self...you already win your worth and honor, then you throw it away by let him live
He don't do the same to you or your champion
So showing mercy and being the better person is a shameful act?
It is MEDIEVAL, where might is right
You have prove your might and your right...then throw it away
Um, people have spared others in medieval times.
Hey, my Warden wasn't the one who threw a tantrum in the middle of a Landsmeet. Alistair has nobody to blame his humiliation on but himself.
No, the duel, or at least mine, was to determine who would lead the allied armies against the Blight.
Well you have to give the man some credit he sticks to his convictions when it counts no matter what at least unlike Leliana who will still happily sleep with you if you harden and strong arm her after defiling the ashes.
Actually you spare him for a while when he yield is ENOUGH MERCY that you should have given
Then it is only to execute him, and that is a merciful and good death
Letting a man live only to kill him a minute or so later is not sparing them.
But fine, look at it this way. After all he has done, does he deserve a good death? Or does he deserve to have to spend the rest of his life working to right his wrongs? I mean, his position can't be more ironic a punishment. He is sent to lead the Wardens in Orlais, forcing him not only to live in but protect the nation he hates so much.
Well you have to give the man some credit he sticks to his convictions when it counts no matter what at least unlike Leliana who will still happily sleep with you if you harden and strong arm her after defiling the ashes.
Oh, I give him credit for that. I was just saying the Warden was not the one who humiliated Alistair. Though to be fair Alistair is capable of throwing away his convictions if hardened too, such as sleeping with Isabela or keeping the Warden as a mistress if he marries Anora.
It's Bushido
He lost his honor, he yield and admit all his wrongs, then it is just a merciful to honorable to give him his death. That is the law of chivalry, not just Japanese but anyone in ancient time
But the players are modern people who look at things with modern thinking...
Bushido doesn't exist in Thedas. You claim that we project viewpoints into the game, but you are doing it just as much.
Letting a man live only to kill him a minute or so later is not sparing them.
But fine, look at it this way. After all he has done, does he deserve a good death? Or does he deserve to have to spend the rest of his life working to right his wrongs? I mean, his position can't be more ironic a punishment. He is sent to lead the Wardens in Orlais, forcing him not only to live in but protect the nation he hates so much.
Uh dying in disgrace with your reputation ruined is hardly a good death...
Uh dying in disgrace with your reputation ruined is hardly a good death...
Qistina seems to think it is.
"Bushido" is just Japanese term of Chivalry...we talking about medieval world here, not modern world
If you taking modern world value into medieval age, then you get whatever justifications you wanted with your modern thinking
Alright, than give me proof. You are claiming all Law of Chivalry's had the same exact conduct as Bushido, so give me evidence for your claims. I can tell you right now you won't find it. I'm not putting modern interpretation in, but you are thinking they operate like your medieval culture when the fact is they don't.
Until you give me proof, let's drop the subject before we derail the thread any further.
Oh, I give him credit for that. I was just saying the Warden was not the one who humiliated Alistair. Though to be fair Alistair is capable of throwing away his convictions if hardened too, such as sleeping with Isabela or keeping the Warden as a mistress if he marries Anora.
True enough I suppose still you just wrecked basically the most important artifact of her religion and and threatened her with violence when she objected yet she'll still love you.
The purpose of the duel is to decide who is right and who is wrong, and afterward just want to side the one who is proven wrong?
That's a bit of an inaccurate way of describing the tone of the scene when you spare Loghain. You're not condoning his actions, you're using him despite them.
Well...maybe not, though I do feel like a heel.....a micro managing....meta gaming heel but such is life when the #1 priority is stopping the blight.
Playing DAO after a long layoff and had kind of forgotten how Alistair reacts near the end of the game to certain events, I had been his good buddy through almost the whole game. He reacted badly when I suggested he marry Anora for the good of Fereldan, he went absolutely ballistic when I let Loghain live but such is life, stopping the blight trumps all. He then tells me he is going to leave and I have to use my boon with Anora to save his bacon.....and off he goes into the sunset.
But wait....hey....you have all the best gear and Loghain has a +1 wooden play sword! So I have reloaded.....stripped Alistair down to his under wear and will reenter the Landsmeet and make him suffer the same consequences this time in his underwear.
How bad should I feel?
Well, the leaving him in his underwear is pretty bad. But other than that, you shouldn't. Though next time try hardening him. That way he will become King and come Awakening he seems to have forgiven you for your choice.
True enough I suppose still you just wrecked basically the most important artifact of her religion and and threatened her with violence when she objected yet she'll still love you.
We also have to remember the Protagonist can talk pretty much anyone into bed with them. You can be a human yet sleep with the Dalish Elves Camlen or Gheyna.
We also have to remember the Protagonist can talk pretty much anyone into bed with them. You can be a human yet sleep with the Dalish Elves Camlen or Gheyna.
Oh I'm not bashing my favorite Rogue just always found it a bit odd.
Today, we live in a world where "equality before the law", "no one is is guilty until proven", "everyone have a right to blah blah blah"...Human Right thingies...so our mind set is like that.
So in war, when we hear notorious things happen in war, we automatically using our modern mind set to make judgments and seeking values...example, a soldier going rampage killing families and rape children...today that soldier going into military (or civil) court...that soldier may got sentence 5 or 10 years in prison, or life sentence in prison...we believe that soldier can be given a chance blah blah blah...
But in Medieval time...no such thing...either that soldier could become hero later, or he killed by enemy...IF his own authority is good then he will got beheaded or hanged...this is medieval
Raping and killing civilians was actually a lot more accepted then than now actually. It's those 'Human Right thingies' that made those terrible crimes.
Oh I'm not bashing my favorite Rogue just always found it a bit odd.
Indeed it was. But I always found Alistair taking Warden as a mistress just as odd.
Alistair: "I can't do that to Anora."
Warden: "But you're a King."
Alistair: "Well, okay then."
Paraphrased of course, but it was literally like that.
That is why just behead Loghain, don't use modern values there, it's medieval
I'm not saying killing Loghain is wrong, I just see it more beneficial to keep a man who has shown to be a skilled warrior and tactician alive to better aid my cause. There's nothing modern about that kind of thinking.
Raping and killing civilians was actually a lot more accepted then than now actually. It's those 'Human Right thingies' that made those terrible crimes.
Yup a king had the right to rape a peasant's wife if he choose and knights could kill commoners over the smallest perceived slight.
Yup a king had the right to rape a peasant's wife if he choose and knights could kill commoners over the smallest perceived slight.
Exactly. They even have this in Dragon Age with the Chevaliers of Orlais. They are allowed to do basically whatever they want to the commoners.
Exactly. They even have this in Dragon Age with the Chevaliers of Orlais. They are allowed to do basically whatever they want to the commoners.
And Vaughan.
Indeed it was. But I always found Alistair taking Warden as a mistress just as odd.
Alistair: "I can't do that to Anora."
Warden: "But you're a King."
Alistair: "Well, okay then."
Paraphrased of course, but it was literally like that.
That's really why I don't like 'hardening' Alistair. It's unfortunate you can only 'program' him to stand up for his own interests a bit more at the cost of becoming a heel.
I like him better in the Chasind robes.
I could never make anyone where those after reading their description. 
Not for long, anyway.
And Vaughan.
No, Vaughan wasn't allowed to do that, or his father wouldn't take steps to hide it when it became necessary.
Vaughan was just powerful enough (or had a father powerful enough) that he could get away with it, as no one powerful cared to oppose him.
This is a contrast to Orlais because the chevaliers have specific rights to use commoners like that, legally.
Edit: typo
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