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[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Has this been confirmed? Or will some (as in ME) be homsexual, heterosexual and bisexual without all romance options being bisexual?

[Dio Demon]

Yes they are "playersexual" god I feel like I need a shower after using that word.

 

http://forum.bioware...s#entry16172202 Do some light reading for proof.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Yes they are "playersexual" god I feel like I need a shower after using that word.

 

http://forum.bioware...s#entry16172202 Do some light reading for proof.

How unfortunate.

[Dio Demon]

How unfortunate.

Sorry lost my cool. Your reaction sickens me.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Sorry lost my cool. Your reaction sickens me.

Is there a reason why it does? I would prefer uniquely homosexual, heterosexual and bisexual characters as opposed to everyone randomly being bisexual. It breaks character development and should only be there IF there are good reasons for it; to date I have seen no good reasons.

[SgtElias]

I would prefer uniquely homosexual, heterosexual and bisexual characters as opposed to everyone randomly being bisexual. It breaks character development and should only be there IF there are good reasons for it; to date I have seen no good reasons.

 

I hesitate to ask this, but what would you consider to be a "good reason" for a character to be bisexual?

[mucusShifters]

Where in that thread does it say every companion will be "playersexual"? It only mentions the function of it in DA2 and how it's "philosophically good".

[Andraste_Reborn]

1. It hasn't been confirmed one way or the other yet. We know almost nothing about the romance options other than that there will be some.

 

2. I hope they are.

 

In a universe of infinite zots, I'd love to see six love interests: two straight, two gay, two bi. But assuming we're only getting four in total, I would hate to go back to the DAO situation where straight PCs get a choice and gay PCs don't.

[SgtElias]

In a universe of infinite zots, I'd love to see six love interests: two straight, two gay, two bi. But assuming we're only getting four in total, I would hate to go back to the DAO situation where straight PCs get a choice and gay PCs don't.

 

Exactly. You took the words right out of my mouth.

[Veruin]

Sorry lost my cool. Your reaction sickens me.

That's pretty sad.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

I hesitate to ask this, but what would you consider to be a "good reason" for a character to be bisexual?

 

Story background for one. Zevran always made sense being bisexual, given his background. Leliana the lost bard. Alistair would have made little sense as a bisexual character...Morrigan, perhaps. In Mass Effect 3 there were strictly lesbian and gay love interests. This makes more sense from a rational point of view and is statistically much more likely. Sexuality is a vital part of a person's character, perhaps the most important part. It determines not only whom one is attracted to but life goals as well. Bisexuality as fan service is not well reasoned and to simply put it there for the sake of putting it there is irrational.

[SgtElias]

Story background for one. Zevran always made sense being bisexual, given his background. Leliana the lost bard. Alistair would have made little sense as a bisexual character...Morrigan, perhaps. In Mass Effect 3 there were strictly lesbian and gay love interests. This makes more sense from a rational point of view and is statistically much more likely. Sexuality is a vital part of a person's character, perhaps the most important part. It determines not only whom one is attracted to but life goals as well. Bisexuality as fan service is not well reasoned and to simply put it there for the sake of putting it there is irrational.

 

Well, I guess I'd better figure out what my "good reason" is for being bisexual, then. Because I don't have one that I'm aware of.

 

My attraction to both genders doesn't have anything (or has very little) to do with my personality. Liking women as a woman doesn't make me a nicer person, it doesn't make me more clever or closed-minded or reasonable or any other word you want to add. My life goals would not suddenly reverse themselves if I divorced my husband (gods forbid) and married a woman. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you (and if so, I apologize) but I really do not understand this argument.

 

As for "statistically," do we have any sort of statistics on how common bisexuality or homsexuality are in Thedas? Like, actual numbers? Because if information that detailed was released, I missed it. Thedas is a made-up universe, and doesn't have to be held to any specific standard for how "common" or "uncommon" anything is.

[Sir George Parr]

Story background for one. Zevran always made sense being bisexual, given his background. Leliana the lost bard. Alistair would have made little sense as a bisexual character...Morrigan, perhaps. In Mass Effect 3 there were strictly lesbian and gay love interests. This makes more sense from a rational point of view and is statistically much more likely. Sexuality is a vital part of a person's character, perhaps the most important part. It determines not only whom one is attracted to but life goals as well. Bisexuality as fan service is not well reasoned and to simply put it there for the sake of putting it there is irrational.

Is it a case of you don't like that a character who is straight in your version of Thedas, Can be Gay or Lesbian in some other players games?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well, I guess I'd better figure out what my "good reason" is for being bisexual, then. Because I don't have one that I'm aware of.

 

My attraction to both genders doesn't have anything (or has very little) to do with my personality. Liking women as a woman doesn't make me a nicer person, it doesn't make me more clever or closed-minded or reasonable or any other word you want to add. My life goals would not suddenly reverse themselves if I divorced my husband (gods forbid) and married a woman. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you (and if so, I apologize) but I really do not understand this argument.

 

As for "statistically," do we have any sort of statistics on how common bisexuality or homsexuality are in Thedas? Like, actual numbers? Because if information that detailed was released, I missed it. Thedas is a made-up universe, and doesn't have to be held to any specific standard for how "common" or "uncommon" anything is.

 

Well that you are ****** ,hetero or bi is part of your personality and character and that sexuality doesn't have anything with being nice/rude doesn't mean that it isn't something that describes you as being nice and lazy doesn't have anything...

 

Making everyone bi/playersexual is lazy when i can see that with antivians and orlesians because it is popular there in ferelden and some other cultures such things are far from popular...

 

Anders was most obvious example when he was only intrested in womans then out of being lazy devs made him bi...

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

These kind of threads never end well, your pretty much saying that gay/lesbian/bisexual characters need a good reason to explain why their gay/lesbian/bisexual & if they don't its automatically fan service.

Modifié par Threat300, 11 mars 2014 - 01:01 .

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Well, I guess I'd better figure out what my "good reason" is for being bisexual, then. Because I don't have one that I'm aware of.

 

My attraction to both genders doesn't have anything (or has very little) to do with my personality. Liking women as a woman doesn't make me a nicer person, it doesn't make me more clever or closed-minded or reasonable or any other word you want to add. My life goals would not suddenly reverse themselves if I divorced my husband (gods forbid) and married a woman. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you (and if so, I apologize) but I really do not understand this argument.

 

As for "statistically," do we have any sort of statistics on how common bisexuality or homsexuality are in Thedas? Like, actual numbers? Because if information that detailed was released, I missed it. Thedas is a made-up universe, and doesn't have to be held to any specific standard for how "common" or "uncommon" anything is.

 

Sexual orientation is a part of the human genome. If you are aroused equally by both sexes then that is part of your genetic makeup. As for life goals I am not sure if you understood me or not but as an example most homosexual men have no desire to reproduce whereas most heterosexual men do. Having progeny or not is a huge decision that is in part directed by sexual orientation. Moreover many studies have shown that homosexual men display more symmetry in brain hemispheres (akin to heterosexual women) and homosexual women display more asymmetry, (akin to heterosexual men). This would have an effect on the skills, inclinations and apptitude of individuals of differing orientation and would have an impact on decisions and goals as well. 

 

Unfortunately we do not have statistic for Thedas but one thing Bioware could have done is provided lore and background for why every person in Thedas is (potentially) bisexual. Maybe it is magic, custom, etc. Basically something other than; fans demand we make everyone bisexual. Characters lose consistency, continuity, etc.

[Jaison1986]

There we go again with these kind of threads...

 

I just going to say: "We can't aways have what we want"

 

I wanted to romance Traynor as male Shepard but I couldn't because of her orientation. Was I angry? No. She had her preferences. And I prefer to respect that.

 

Characters should have orientations based on personal preference, instead of being avaliable to the PC regardless of gender just to please all the players.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

There we go again with these kind of threads...

 

I just going to say: "We can't aways have what we want"

 

I wanted to romance Traynor as male Shepard but I couldn't because of her orientation. Was I angry? No. She had her preferences. And I prefer to respect that.

 

Characters should have orientations based on personal preference, instead of being avaliable to the PC regardless of gender just to please all the players.

My point exactly. It is also much more believable. 

[phantomrachie]

Characters are only player sexual  if you meta game not in your playthrough. For example I only play LadyHawk so Anders has never told me that he used to date Karl and therefore I never knew whether he was bi, straight or gay because I always romance Isabela.

The same goes for Fenris and Merrill; if you don't romance them or don't romance them with a certain gender you'd never know ingame that they swung that way.

I don't think making someone player sexual changes their character from playthrough to playthrough - their character remains the same except in some playthroughs they are straight/bi/gay and in others you don't know, as only Isabela brings up her sexuality without you romancing her.

Their personality only changes depending on if you have a friendship or rivalry and that is more a reaction to their relationship with Hawk than anything else; plus it happens with non romanceable characters too.

Are player-sexual characters perfect? No, but they are a great way to get the most number of romances out of a small cast of characters. I much prefer player-sexual to the 2 Straight, 2 Bi of DA:O 

[SgtElias]

Well that you are ****** ,hetero or bi is part of your personality and character and that sexuality doesn't have anything with being nice/rude doesn't mean that it isn't something that describes you as being nice and lazy doesn't have anything...

 

Making everyone bi/playersexual is lazy when i can see that with antivians and orlesians because it is popular there in ferelden and some other cultures such things are far from popular...

 

Anders was most obvious example when he was only intrested in womans then out of being lazy devs made him bi...

 

Maybe we have a different definition of what "personality" means. Being cautious or upbeat or [insert thing here] has a lot more to do with someone's personality than their sexual orientation. Would I cease to be any of those things if I was suddenly straight? Would Zevran be less playful if he was straight? I'm not saying that a person's orientation is completely meaningless; just that it doesn't change the core of who people are.

 

And as for Anders, lol. Am I the only person who thought he was bi back in Awakening? I don't immediately let people know that I like girls 100% of the time, so I bet a lot of them think I'm straight, too.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Maybe we have a different definition of what "personality" means. Being cautious or upbeat or [insert thing here] has a lot more to do with someone's personality than their sexual orientation. Would I cease to be any of those things if I was suddenly straight? Would Zevran be less playful if he was straight? I'm not saying that a person's orientation is completely meaningless; just that it doesn't change the core of who people are.

 

And as for Anders, lol. Am I the only person who thought he was bi back in Awakening? I don't immediately let people know that I like girls 100% of the time, so I bet a lot of them think I'm straight, too.

 

Your sexuality defines you want it or not but as i said that you are nice doesn't mean that affect that you are lazy or not same with same with intelligence and being lazy.And yes it affect you and peoples around how you behave toward certain gender and see them.

 

He was flirting with females not with males and add to that he is ferelden when being hetero is seeing as something natural it is ridiculous to make everyone bi because not everyone is bi not everyone is hetero or ****** like in our world when we can say that being hetero is the dominant sexuality in our world and by dominant i mean most common but for example if we have ferelden where most peoples is hetero stick with that or dalish that also most peoples are hetero.It is hard say which coulture have most common current sexuality in da world but we know that certain culture have such...

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

In a universe of infinite zots, I'd love to see six love interests: two straight, two gay, two bi. But assuming we're only getting four in total, I would hate to go back to the DAO situation where straight PCs get a choice and gay PCs don't.

 

So, the Companions' sexuality should be dependent on the PC, that doesn't really make much sense. 

It'd be like MShepard in ME3 hitting on Traynor, and when made aware of her orientation his response would be - 'OK, I understand, but the only other Female is Liara, and I am not into Blue Alien Sex, so,you're switching teams' 

 

I understand that you the want the game to be centered around you, and why not you paid hard cash for it , but if you reduce the romance to 'Yes Master, You are the Master, I live to serve the Master' it really takes... the 'romantic element' from it.

[Knight of Dane]

I get the preference with the usual "six, one of each option" opinion, but I don't get the trouble with "playersexual" companions.

[Xilizhra]

So, the Companions' sexuality should be dependent on the PC, that doesn't really make much sense. 

It'd be like MShepard in ME3 hitting on Traynor, and when made aware of her orientation his response would be - 'OK, I understand, but the only other Female is Liara, and I am not into Blue Alien Sex, so,you're switching teams' 

 

I understand that you the want the game to be centered around you, and why not you paid hard cash for it , but if you reduce the romance to 'Yes Master, You are the Master, I live to serve the Master' it really takes... the 'romantic element' from it.

But that's not how bisexuality works.

 

I'm not really fond of this "playersexual" notion, I admit, when just having everyone being bi would be so much easier. But even with that being the case, it's more that the universe is slightly different depending on which gender you play, not that the Inquisitor is actually manipulating outcomes to serve that. And sexual orientation will have less influence on someone's personality in a world where it matters less socially, and it doesn't matter much in Thedas.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Sexual orientation is a part of the human genome. If you are aroused equally by both sexes then that is part of your genetic makeup.

 

For the record, we don't actually know what causes a particular person to have a particular sexual orientation. We know it's not that straightforward because identical twins don't always have the same orientation, despite having the same genes. That doesn't mean genetics don't play a role. but there's probably some combination of genes and environment involved. Like with pretty much everything else about the human mind. (And when I say "environment" I don't mean "having an overbearing mother makes you gay" and other ridiculous myths, but stuff like hormone exposure in utero.)

 

 

And as for Anders, lol. Am I the only person who thought he was bi back in Awakening? I don't immediately let people know that I like girls 100% of the time, so I bet a lot of them think I'm straight, too.

 

No, he pinged me as bi as well. He has some banter with Nathaniel that's pretty flirtatious.