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The reason they are WRITTEN as bisexuals.....
Being written as straight is just as deliberate a decision.
For starters, encountering three bisexual elves isn't much of a sample size.
There's also Jethann, and I believe others that I'm currently failing to remember.
No one has to have a "reason" for being bisexual, anymore than they do straight.
If that's the case, it's completely fine for Bioware to make some companions straight and other bisexual, no?
The problem isn't that the characters are bisexuals. The problem is the REASON why they are bisexuals. It isn't done to enhance the character r tell their story, it is done for the simple and only purpose of appeasing the raving masses of fan who wants their dating simulator "Dragon Age edition" to cater to their every need. The problem is the objectification of the characters because of it.
Wait, how is that any different if they were only straight or only gay? Sexuality should never be an important part of someone's character or story.
If that's the case, it's completely fine for Bioware to make some companions straight and other bisexual, no?
Or homosexual. If resources allow for it while maintaining romance equality, sure.
Being written as straight is just as deliberate a decision.
I don't even... You know what? Nope... I am not gonna do this. I can recognize a losing battle when I see one...
I gotta say, I've never understood why gay PCs getting exactly the same amount of 'fanservice' in DA2 that straight (and bisexual, I guess) PCs got in DAO is such a problem for some people.
It's improbable that there happen to be four attractive people in your party that are willing to bang you - in pretty much exactly the same way it's improbable that they form a balanced selection of warriors, rogues and mages. And are willing to follow you around for seven years. And get up after being toasted by a High Dragon with only minor injuries. The game is filled with unlikely things that are useful and fun for the player. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
If that's the case, it's completely fine for Bioware to make some companions straight and other bisexual, no?
Of course it is, but it's telling that out of about 20 companions we have around 7 bisexual, 13 straight and 0 homosexual.
All of modern societies primarily practice heterosexuality, does that mean I'm hetero? In Ferelden according to Zevran they are more modest than Antiva there's a difference.
Just because he only expressed interest in females does not mean he is only interested in females, some people don't like talking about their attraction to those of the same sex because of societal pressure or they just don't care.
Ugh I'd write a better answer but its 1:20 am here and I can't focus well this late.
What you are talking about? did you read what i wrote? And about zevran there isn't much diffrence it is still open in ferelden but hetero-sexuality is dominant and once again that doesn't make other sexuality don't exist thats what try put into my mouth...
Anders is/was far from shy and was taking even controversial topics so i doubt that was in case as well like it was in zevran case as far i renmer he hits to female warden but he don't toward male warden.And as i said it was being lazy on devs said even that anders was companion was lazy mass effect 3 it was done very well.Humans are various and as i said bio is taking political correctness to the extreme when humans in such aspect are different...
Some peoples are hetero some bi and some ****** or asexual and i think that bio knows that so here so there is no much point pretty much they said they are doing that because to please everyone so well...
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Wait, how is that any different if they were only straight or only gay? Sexuality should never be an important part of someone's character or story.
That should depend on the character they are trying to create. For example Isabela's voracious sexuality was an important aspect of her character, whereas with Merrill it was not.
Being written as straight is just as deliberate a decision.
There's also Jethann, and I believe others that I'm currently failing to remember.
Four or five still isn't much of a sample, and I'm reasonably certain we've encountered at least as many bisexual humans.
I swear I've argued with you before. First, it's not fan service. Nobody whined, Bioware liked the reaction they got to Zev and Leliana and they thought "Hey, wouldn't it be great if players of all sexualities could make choices?" and so they wrote 4 bisexual characters in DA2. It's a great way to improve player experience in the game without hurting anybody [that matters]. The fan service argument is so annoying because absolutely everything put into a game is fan service. Games are written and designed to give enjoyment to the people playing them, romances, straight/bi/gay/reptilianalien/ladywhoneverleaveshersuit are no exception.
Second, this idea that a character needs a reason to be bi, but doesn't need a reason to be straight is just outright wrong. They could make every single companion whether romance-able or not bisexual and they wouldn't need a reason besides "Why not?". Being bisexual doesn't change who people are, and people need to stop freaking out about "What are the odds!?" in a world where we fight dragons. People have been writing entire worlds filled only with straight characters for decades and nobody thinks anything is wrong. In the entire world of Harry Potter the only ****** person is an old man who has sworn himself to celibacy, but I don't see anybody wondering at what the chances are of that.
I don't know why I'm posting here. Blech.
So you're saying that people would have no issues with certain characters not being romanceable? You're saying that those same people would have no issue with the romances being removed either? Because right now I'm seeing the same people complaining about a certain elf companion being bald, because they don't like him being bald. And I also saw people whining about not being able to romance someone they wanted to romance (because it doesn't fulfill their fantasy to the fullest) and thus they were enraged. So yes, in a community where people whine about the fact that one of the companions is bald, you have people that whine about how every companion doesn't automatically love and adore them.
Ok, a character doesn't need a reason to be bi. That totally misses the point in an embarassing way. Now tell me how the reason that character is bi isn't fan service. Is everyone being straight fan service? Nope. Is everyone bi in DA because, otherwise, a very small, pissy, entitled group of people would get enraged because the way they imagined their DA fantasy to play out isn't available? Yeah. They don't need a reason. But if one of the reasons everyone is bi in DA is so a very small group of people don't get really angry at such a minor detail that they perceive to be big, then you need to tell me how everyone being bi for the sake of fan service is a good thing, and how it doesn't devalue the character. Why isn't sebastian bi in DA2? Why doesn't he have sex with you? Because it would ruin his character, since he is a hardcore altar boy and being bisexual while having one night stands isn't something you would imagine an altar boy to do. While the fan service bisexuality doesn't ruin the other characters that much to the point of breaking their integrity, it still cheapens them because an aspect of them is not to characterize them, but to satisfy a very small group of players, who would be distraught if that feature was not in the game.
You're overrating the amount of people that are unhappy if they don't get to romance whoever they wanted to romance. BSN whiners =/= the entire DA playerbase. I'm not against making the players happy. I'm against making A VERY SMALL AMOUNT of players SUPERFICIALLY happy at the expense of the integrity of something in the game. It's like the IQ of the average user on this website is low in the deeps.
Wait, how is that any different if they were only straight or only gay? Sexuality should never be an important part of someone's character or story.
It's different because what the fans want is coming first. It should be, "If this character was a real person, how would they act? How would they feel? What would they believe?" Then write them from there.
Instead we get, "I want to romance X but I can't associate with gender Y. LET ME ROMANCE THEM" or we get "My character shouldn't be punished for what I do in the CC"
Despite;
Being written as straight is just as deliberate a decision.
It's different because what the fans want is coming first. It should be, "If this character was a real person, how would they act? How would they feel? What would they believe?"
Instead we get, "I want to romance X but I can't associate with gender Y. LET ME ROMANCE THEM" or we get "My character shouldn't be punished for what I do in the CC"
Despite;
Um, we can't really figure out what orientation someone is without the game telling us.
Wait, how is that any different if they were only straight or only gay? Sexuality should never be an important part of someone's character or story.
Nobody's saying it should be only straight or only gay, but sexuality is an important part of people's identity. It can't NOT be part of someone's character.
Um, we can't really figure out what orientation someone is without the game telling us.
I'm pretty sure the writers have some form of idea when they are, y'know, writing the character. I'm sure they have more info on them than we ever will.
It's different because what the fans want is coming first. It should be, "If this character was a real person, how would they act? How would they feel? What would they believe?" Then write them from there.
Instead we get, "I want to romance X but I can't associate with gender Y. LET ME ROMANCE THEM" or we get "My character shouldn't be punished for what I do in the CC"
Being angry about not being able to romance a particular character is a bit ridiculous, but complaining about having half the number of options as a heterosexual PC is a valid criticism.
Being angry about not being able to romance a particular character is a bit ridiculous, but complaining about having half the number of options of straight players is a valid criticism.
I'm not saying it isn't.
I'm pretty sure the writers have some form of idea when they are, y'know, writing the character. I'm sure they have more info on them than we ever will.
Indeed. Which will be as bisexual, I daresay, given that that's how they were written.
Being angry about not being able to romance a particular character is a bit ridiculous, but complaining about having half the number of options as a heterosexual PC is a valid criticism.
It is, but making all characters bisexual isn't the only solution to that.
I'm not saying it isn't.
But the issue is that making all of the companions bisexual is the easiest and quickest way of responding to that concern. Obviously it's not ideal, but is it better to have a mixture of straight and bisexual companions but uneven number of choices or to have an even number of choices but have all of the LI's be bisexual? That's the real issue.
Ideally there would be a wide span of Li's of all orientations, but how viable is that?
It is, but making all characters bisexual isn't the only solution to that.
No, but the only other one involves more romances and more resources poured into them.
In a universe of infinite zots, I'd love to see six love interests: two straight, two gay, two bi. But assuming we're only getting four in total, I would hate to go back to the DAO situation where straight PCs get a choice and gay PCs don't.
Exactly. I have to say, I'm very curious how people who complain about all the LIs in DA2 being bisexual would react if we got 4 LIs, two bisexual and two gay, in DAI.
No, but the only other one involves more romances and more resources poured into them.
That is true.
It still doesn't make it the best option.
That is true.
It still doesn't make it the best option.
So I take it you do want the six-LI one?
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